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What do you believe in?

Evolution
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Creationism
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Total votes : 781

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Greater Ilanar
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Postby Greater Ilanar » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:16 pm

Enadail wrote:
Greater Ilanar wrote:I'm sorry Farnhamia, I forgot that we weren't allowed to use our God given logical reasoning to see inconsistencies in scientific fantasies. I suppose that if the world's scientific community said that gravity wasn't real, we wouldn't be allowed to point out the obvious presence of gravity because us common idiots don't have university degree in science.


God cannot be tested, and thus is not part of science. When god intervenes in the natural world, that is part of it.

If the world's scientific community said gravity wasn't real, they'd give you facts and reasons why it wasn't real, backing it up with evidence that most likely, you could replicate, given the proper equipment and training. See, that's the nice thing about science; you don't have to take someone's word for it, you can find out yourself.

So yah, the fact that Ann Coulter doesn't have a science degree is relevant, because she doesn't know jack about science. Evolution is one of the most widely accepted theories in science, with vast amounts of evidence supporting it, and continuously validated by ongoing observances. The fact of evolution is undeniable, as it has been observed. Just like I won't be taking a plumbers expert advice on tax law unless he's also got a background as a tax lawyer or accountant, or some extraordinary experience as to why he knows the answer to my question, I'll leave science to the scientists who know what the fuck they're talking about.

So again, what is the evidence showing evolution to be wrong?

Alright wise man. So when has anybody ever reproduced evolution. You say that a good theory has been tested and the experiments can be replicated by any person. So when has any person in history ever created a new species using the methods available to nature?

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Postby Libertarian California » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:16 pm

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Postby Aggicificicerous » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:17 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:That's not what the paper suggests.

No, it explicitly states that the ants existing in proximity with them creates selective pressures, which is the opposite of the ants themselves knowingly or consciously selecting for special traits.


Breeding, even by the definition you keep hinting at, does not require "knowingly or consciously" selecting. Just selecting.

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The New Confederation of Free States
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Postby The New Confederation of Free States » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:17 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The New Confederation of Free States wrote:2) Fair enough, that's (ideally) the beauty of free society. Both sides get to come out and present their arguments with no suppression by a tyrant.
3) Probably not anytime soon, but who knows where politics and social opinion will be in another hundred years? Or even just a couple of decades... I'm not presenting it as a definite, just a possibility.

I'm quite sure that they'll still believe in secular government, it's where it's been headed for ages.

Well our nation has always had a secular government, even the Supreme Court can't totally defy the Constitution... The question is how they might choose to re-define what secular government entails or what it extends to and what it doesn't.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:18 pm

Greater Ilanar wrote:Alright wise man. So when has anybody ever reproduced evolution. You say that a good theory has been tested and the experiments can be replicated by any person. So when has any person in history ever created a new species using the methods available to nature?

Sure.
And.
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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:19 pm

Greater Ilanar wrote:
Enadail wrote:
God cannot be tested, and thus is not part of science. When god intervenes in the natural world, that is part of it.

If the world's scientific community said gravity wasn't real, they'd give you facts and reasons why it wasn't real, backing it up with evidence that most likely, you could replicate, given the proper equipment and training. See, that's the nice thing about science; you don't have to take someone's word for it, you can find out yourself.

So yah, the fact that Ann Coulter doesn't have a science degree is relevant, because she doesn't know jack about science. Evolution is one of the most widely accepted theories in science, with vast amounts of evidence supporting it, and continuously validated by ongoing observances. The fact of evolution is undeniable, as it has been observed. Just like I won't be taking a plumbers expert advice on tax law unless he's also got a background as a tax lawyer or accountant, or some extraordinary experience as to why he knows the answer to my question, I'll leave science to the scientists who know what the fuck they're talking about.

So again, what is the evidence showing evolution to be wrong?

Alright wise man. So when has anybody ever reproduced evolution. You say that a good theory has been tested and the experiments can be replicated by any person. So when has any person in history ever created a new species using the methods available to nature?


Goes to show you're talking out of your ass.

Evolution has occurred in the lab MANY times. Heck, bacterial and viral resistance is a sign of evolution.

I just did a damn google search "evolution in the lab", and there are PAGES of results about it... here are the first 3 links, I won't bother with more.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/ ... llularity/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... conover_04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... experiment

So clearly, you've never studied evolution, haven't bothered to look any of it up, and have heard a talking head mention stuff, so now that's gospel. I'm not shocked.

Again, where is your evidence that evolution is wrong?

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Greater Ilanar
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Postby Greater Ilanar » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:19 pm

Divair wrote:
Greater Ilanar wrote:If evolution is so clearly the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, why do academic and scientific circles insist on excommunicating their dissenters like Reformers in Renassaince Europe? You'd think that such an infallible theory could be easily defended and wouldn't require the near total silencing of your opponents in order for you to argue on its behalf.

Evolution wasn't even a thing in Renaissance Europe. Way to go.

I'm well aware the the theory of evolution did not exist until the late 1800s. I was comparing the scientific and academic communities' rejection of scientists who have different ideas to the Church clamping down on dissenting religious views in the Rennassaince and excommunicating the leaders of the Reformation.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:19 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, it explicitly states that the ants existing in proximity with them creates selective pressures, which is the opposite of the ants themselves knowingly or consciously selecting for special traits.


Breeding, even by the definition you keep hinting at, does not require "knowingly or consciously" selecting. Just selecting.

Selection requires consciousness.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:20 pm

The New Confederation of Free States wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I'm quite sure that they'll still believe in secular government, it's where it's been headed for ages.

Well our nation has always had a secular government, even the Supreme Court can't totally defy the Constitution... The question is how they might choose to re-define what secular government entails or what it extends to and what it doesn't.

I don't think that they'll make a radical redefinition of secular government.
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Postby Lolpania » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:20 pm

Greater Ilanar wrote:If evolution is so clearly the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, why do academic and scientific circles insist on excommunicating their dissenters like Reformers in Renassaince Europe? You'd think that such an infallible theory could be easily defended and wouldn't require the near total silencing of your opponents in order for you to argue on its behalf.


By this logic, anything the Catholic Church has ever done has been discredited because of their "responses" to heresy.

EDIT: ALso forgot to point out that Evolution didn't exist at the time of the Renaissance (well... as a well-established theory).
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:21 pm

Greater Ilanar wrote:
Divair wrote:Evolution wasn't even a thing in Renaissance Europe. Way to go.

I'm well aware the the theory of evolution did not exist until the late 1800s. I was comparing the scientific and academic communities' rejection of scientists who have different ideas to the Church clamping down on dissenting religious views in the Rennassaince and excommunicating the leaders of the Reformation.

And your evidence of this excommunication is.. nonexistent.

Thanks for playing.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:21 pm

Greater Ilanar wrote:
Divair wrote:Evolution wasn't even a thing in Renaissance Europe. Way to go.

I'm well aware the the theory of evolution did not exist until the late 1800s. I was comparing the scientific and academic communities' rejection of scientists who have different ideas to the Church clamping down on dissenting religious views in the Rennassaince and excommunicating the leaders of the Reformation.

You're confusing that with the Catholic Church. Stop revising history.
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Postby Caninope » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:22 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
Breeding, even by the definition you keep hinting at, does not require "knowingly or consciously" selecting. Just selecting.

Selection requires consciousness.

No more so than the domestication of dogs.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:22 pm

Enadail wrote:
Greater Ilanar wrote:Alright wise man. So when has anybody ever reproduced evolution. You say that a good theory has been tested and the experiments can be replicated by any person. So when has any person in history ever created a new species using the methods available to nature?


Goes to show you're talking out of your ass.

Evolution has occurred in the lab MANY times. Heck, bacterial and viral resistance is a sign of evolution.

I just did a damn google search "evolution in the lab", and there are PAGES of results about it... here are the first 3 links, I won't bother with more.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/ ... llularity/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... conover_04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... experiment

So clearly, you've never studied evolution, haven't bothered to look any of it up, and have heard a talking head mention stuff, so now that's gospel. I'm not shocked.

Again, where is your evidence that evolution is wrong?

Oh, oh, my turn!
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

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Postby Comanici » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:22 pm

I believe in evolution. 8)
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Caninope wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Selection requires consciousness.

No more so than the domestication of dogs.

Are you saying humans aren't conscious?
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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Greater Ilanar wrote:
Divair wrote:Evolution wasn't even a thing in Renaissance Europe. Way to go.

I'm well aware the the theory of evolution did not exist until the late 1800s. I was comparing the scientific and academic communities' rejection of scientists who have different ideas to the Church clamping down on dissenting religious views in the Rennassaince and excommunicating the leaders of the Reformation.


Except scientists don't excommunicate... They simply reject. Seriously, what are you going on about.

There's a big difference between the scientific community ignoring someone because they don't have evidence to back up their claim and the Church literally kicking people out of a country because they dared to go against the Church's sayings. If you can't see the difference, there's no point in having this dicussion.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Caninope wrote:No more so than the domestication of dogs.

Are you saying humans aren't conscious?

I do wonder about some.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:24 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Are you saying humans aren't conscious?

I do wonder about some.

Don't wonder. It's easier that way.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Lolpania » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Enadail wrote:
There's a big difference between the scientific community ignoring someone because they don't have evidence to back up their claim and the Church literally kicking people out of a country because they dared to go against the Church's sayings. If you can't see the difference, there's no point in having this dicussion.


Didn't they at one point also wage two hundred years of "holy wars" and burn people at the stake because they didn't agree with them?

EDIT: Rhetorical question for those who won't catch on...
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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Divair wrote:
Enadail wrote:
Goes to show you're talking out of your ass.

Evolution has occurred in the lab MANY times. Heck, bacterial and viral resistance is a sign of evolution.

I just did a damn google search "evolution in the lab", and there are PAGES of results about it... here are the first 3 links, I won't bother with more.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/ ... llularity/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... conover_04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... experiment

So clearly, you've never studied evolution, haven't bothered to look any of it up, and have heard a talking head mention stuff, so now that's gospel. I'm not shocked.

Again, where is your evidence that evolution is wrong?

Oh, oh, my turn!
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:26 pm

Divair wrote:
Enadail wrote:Goes to show you're talking out of your ass.

Evolution has occurred in the lab MANY times. Heck, bacterial and viral resistance is a sign of evolution.

I just did a damn google search "evolution in the lab", and there are PAGES of results about it... here are the first 3 links, I won't bother with more.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/ ... llularity/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... conover_04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... experiment

So clearly, you've never studied evolution, haven't bothered to look any of it up, and have heard a talking head mention stuff, so now that's gospel. I'm not shocked.

Again, where is your evidence that evolution is wrong?

Oh, oh, my turn!
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms


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Enadail
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Ex-Nation

Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:26 pm

Lolpania wrote:
Enadail wrote:
There's a big difference between the scientific community ignoring someone because they don't have evidence to back up their claim and the Church literally kicking people out of a country because they dared to go against the Church's sayings. If you can't see the difference, there's no point in having this dicussion.


Didn't they at one point also wage two hundred years of "holy wars" and burn people at the stake because they didn't agree with them?

EDIT: Rhetorical question for those who won't catch on...


Lets not forget the internal wars when they couldn't agree with themselves!

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Divair
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Founded: May 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Divair » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:26 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Divair wrote:Oh, oh, my turn!
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Aggicificicerous
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:28 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
Breeding, even by the definition you keep hinting at, does not require "knowingly or consciously" selecting. Just selecting.

Selection requires consciousness.


We don't know if ants are conscious (ie: aware of themselves) or not. But that doesn't matter, because this is an arbitrary rule you've invented. Or is a computer program incapable of selecting an option? And don't try and argue that the computer needs a conscious being to program it; the ant has been "programmed", so to speak, by millions of years of evolution.

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