by Cerantia » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:43 pm
by Sedgistan » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:57 pm
Sedgistan wrote:a 'Sanctions' resolution, which can be applied to either a region or nation, which then sees its economy implode.
by Cerantia » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:02 pm
Sedgistan wrote:The suggestion I made was:Sedgistan wrote:a 'Sanctions' resolution, which can be applied to either a region or nation, which then sees its economy implode.
If this were to get off the ground, you'd probably need to expand a little on what resolutions you were asking for - what would be the difference between "Humanitarian aide, trade embargo, and other peacefull aids/repracutions" resolutions, and what would be the technical affects of them.
I quite like the idea of resolutions that target the stats of individual nations/regions, as it'd be a way of engaging RPers with the World Assembly.
by Cerantia » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:44 pm
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:25 pm
by Cerantia » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:40 pm
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to think in terms of what we're able to do in-game. A lot of the stuff you've outlined there could only be implemented through roleplay and the WA can't really do that. Think in terms of things like stats changes (raising/lowering civil rights, economy, political freedoms), WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA), or region location (force nation to remain in a certain region, maybe even a game-created "prison" region).
I'm not sure how sanctions could be applied to regions, but there are many ways they could be applied to individual nations.
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:48 pm
Cerantia wrote: political freedoms
have you seen that presentation that some guy is trying to pass that they want to colonize the moon in the name of the WA?
by Enn » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:48 pm
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA)
Cerantia wrote:Yea, those sound more like things that the WA can implement - however, I don't think that civil rights or political freedoms should be able to be raised or lowered due to the WA.
And, if you notice, many things that the WA does is in therms of roleplay - have you seen that presentation that some guy is trying to pass that they want to colonize the moon in the name of the WA? Like that can be implemented in the game system.
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:52 pm
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:56 pm
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to think in terms of what we're able to do in-game. A lot of the stuff you've outlined there could only be implemented through roleplay and the WA can't really do that. Think in terms of things like stats changes (raising/lowering civil rights, economy, political freedoms), WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA), or region location (force nation to remain in a certain region, maybe even a game-created "prison" region).
I'm not sure how sanctions could be applied to regions, but there are many ways they could be applied to individual nations.
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:59 pm
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to think in terms of what we're able to do in-game. A lot of the stuff you've outlined there could only be implemented through roleplay and the WA can't really do that. Think in terms of things like stats changes (raising/lowering civil rights, economy, political freedoms), WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA), or region location (force nation to remain in a certain region, maybe even a game-created "prison" region).
I'm not sure how sanctions could be applied to regions, but there are many ways they could be applied to individual nations.
Sanctions to regions would effect all of the nations in the region (which are in the WA?), additionally this would indirectly effect the region's standing in the World Census Reports -- which just so happen to be a product of the World Assembly.
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:01 pm
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to think in terms of what we're able to do in-game. A lot of the stuff you've outlined there could only be implemented through roleplay and the WA can't really do that. Think in terms of things like stats changes (raising/lowering civil rights, economy, political freedoms), WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA), or region location (force nation to remain in a certain region, maybe even a game-created "prison" region).
I'm not sure how sanctions could be applied to regions, but there are many ways they could be applied to individual nations.
Sanctions to regions would effect all of the nations in the region (which are in the WA?), additionally this would indirectly effect the region's standing in the World Census Reports -- which just so happen to be a product of the World Assembly.
Yeah I can see that. Economic sanctions against everyone in the region. Couldn't they all just pack up and move to another region though?
by Cerantia » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:05 pm
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to think in terms of what we're able to do in-game. A lot of the stuff you've outlined there could only be implemented through roleplay and the WA can't really do that. Think in terms of things like stats changes (raising/lowering civil rights, economy, political freedoms), WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA), or region location (force nation to remain in a certain region, maybe even a game-created "prison" region).
I'm not sure how sanctions could be applied to regions, but there are many ways they could be applied to individual nations.
Sanctions to regions would effect all of the nations in the region (which are in the WA?), additionally this would indirectly effect the region's standing in the World Census Reports -- which just so happen to be a product of the World Assembly.
Yeah I can see that. Economic sanctions against everyone in the region. Couldn't they all just pack up and move to another region though?
Yes, yes they could. Perfect. There's the reason why you wouldn't want a sanction against your region.
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:08 pm
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to think in terms of what we're able to do in-game. A lot of the stuff you've outlined there could only be implemented through roleplay and the WA can't really do that. Think in terms of things like stats changes (raising/lowering civil rights, economy, political freedoms), WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA), or region location (force nation to remain in a certain region, maybe even a game-created "prison" region).
I'm not sure how sanctions could be applied to regions, but there are many ways they could be applied to individual nations.
Sanctions to regions would effect all of the nations in the region (which are in the WA?), additionally this would indirectly effect the region's standing in the World Census Reports -- which just so happen to be a product of the World Assembly.
Yeah I can see that. Economic sanctions against everyone in the region. Couldn't they all just pack up and move to another region though?
Yes, yes they could. Perfect. There's the reason why you wouldn't want a sanction against your region.
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:29 pm
Cerantia wrote:Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to think in terms of what we're able to do in-game. A lot of the stuff you've outlined there could only be implemented through roleplay and the WA can't really do that. Think in terms of things like stats changes (raising/lowering civil rights, economy, political freedoms), WA membership (expel from the WA/force to join the WA), or region location (force nation to remain in a certain region, maybe even a game-created "prison" region).
I'm not sure how sanctions could be applied to regions, but there are many ways they could be applied to individual nations.
Sanctions to regions would effect all of the nations in the region (which are in the WA?), additionally this would indirectly effect the region's standing in the World Census Reports -- which just so happen to be a product of the World Assembly.
Yeah I can see that. Economic sanctions against everyone in the region. Couldn't they all just pack up and move to another region though?
Yes, yes they could. Perfect. There's the reason why you wouldn't want a sanction against your region.
Yea, that would kinda be a good way of snuffing out people trying to win over a region (I think they tried to do that with the Land of the Liberals), because if they are just there fore their own benifit, they'd leave as soon as that benifit diminished. However, that would negatively efffect the remaining populace there - would we be able to cancel sanctions when the WA wishes?
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:11 am
by Topid » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:23 am
by Glen-Rhodes » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:03 pm
Topid wrote:As a non-RPer, I don't really no if this is a good tool for them, in fact so many of them ignore the WA, including the SC, I'm not sure this would be used very often... And when it is used I doubt the nominee will be happy, especially if he's the kind of person who doesn't want to acknowledge the WA...
by Sedgistan » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:15 pm
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:30 pm
Sedgistan wrote:Actually, I guess there's another slight problem here - WA resolutions are only supposed to affect members - we kind of ignore that with C&C resolutions, because they don't actually have any affect on a nation other than a large badge, but for these types of resolutions to work, they'd have to affect non-WA nations - or a nation could just quit the WA to avoid the affect. It could be justified easily enough - as its the WA nations who are in theory doing the act (not trading with the nation which has sanctions imposed against it), but the actual affect would still be on a non-WA nation.
by Cerantia » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:35 pm
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Now, another question, should these proposals have a strength, like most GA proposals -- in other words, do sanctions vary in severity?
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:51 pm
by Unibot » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:29 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Has there been a sudden upsurge in RPer interest in the SC to justify this change? I'm banking not. Most hardcore RPers ignore the WA (and not just the SC part), and have a mostly contemptuous (that is, the WA is beneath their contempt) view toward it. Add to that the outrage RPers will have at the WA targeting their stats for the capital crime of roleplaying, whether they are members of the WA or not. The WA players' game has been affected enough by these changes, let's not expand the discontent to other areas of the game. Also, could we for once use this forum to discuss technical changes that are actually needed in the game (i.e., the purpose for which is is intended), not for needlessly speculating on random ideas just because they would be "cool to have"?
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