Should kids have the choice to opt out of remembrance day

[Yankee Empire]

War is terrible ectcetera.... blah blah blah.

yes

yes it is

there's nothing "blah blah blag" about it

you see, much like empires, war is not cool. you would probably not enjoy it that much.

Don't imply to know anything about me friend.

Power is cool, wars showcase this, and so on.

Not all about wars is cool, some of it's really lame, but other parts are.

I don't get why the duality of war eludes people so much, Can't War be both Terrible and Glorious? Does it have to fit into some preconceived package in your mind in order for your sensibilities to be able to comprehend it?

I say blah blah blah, because it's the same old "Your terrible if your not as opposed to war as i am, you like war so much go out and die you evil warmonger" attitude that pacifists bring up all the time.

[Shard_Head]

They should have to write up an adequate reason why they won't attend it if they can't come up with one then they go.

"I don't feel soldiers are worthy of particular praise or commemoration."

Done

[Yankee Empire]

They should have to write up an adequate reason why they won't attend it if they can't come up with one then they go.

so should kids who are attending be forced to do a write up too

Sure why not. But they could cut them some slack, i mean they got a ceromony to go to they don't have time for essays...

[Yankee Empire]

They should have to write up an adequate reason why they won't attend it if they can't come up with one then they go.

"I don't feel soldiers are worthy of particular praise or commemoration."

Done

Have fun getting your ass kicked.

[Zweite Alaje]

War is terrible ectcetera.... blah blah blah.

yes

yes it is

there's nothing "blah blah blag" about it

you see, much like empires, war is not cool. you would probably not enjoy it that much.

Yet, Empires have always produced humanity's greatest civilizations.

[Shard_Head]

"I don't feel soldiers are worthy of particular praise or commemoration."

Done

Have fun getting your ass kicked.

Respect the military or be beaten. They died so you could be physically punished for not bowing to their memory.

How nice.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

They should have to write up an adequate reason why they won't attend it if they can't come up with one then they go.

In other words, force a child who is already likely facing a great deal of stress (and possibly bullying) over the realization that he is "different" from his peers, to do additional work, to further put himself out on a limp, just to satisfy some sociopathic jingoist's authoritarian bloodlust.

Yes, if the young'uns won't conform, we'll just inflict emotional trauma upon their developing minds!

Brilliant idea!

[Souseiseki]

"I don't feel soldiers are worthy of particular praise or commemoration."

Done

Have fun getting your ass kicked.

By the soldiers? That doesn't happen anymore. Not in the home country, anyway. I think they stopped it... 5 years ago maybe? Possibly more? I don't know the exact timeline.

Or is it you that's going to kick their ass? ):

[Souseiseki]

yes

yes it is

there's nothing "blah blah blag" about it

you see, much like empires, war is not cool. you would probably not enjoy it that much.

Yet, Empires have always produced humanity's greatest civilizations.

i'm sorry but your flag got 100x more anime and i just can't take you seriously anymore

there was another thread for talking about how great imperalism is though

[Yankee Empire]

Have fun getting your ass kicked.

Respect the military or be beaten. They died so you could be physically punished for not bowing to their memory.

How nice.

I think it's an alright concession, I mean their got to be some excetions to personal liberties right?

Doesn't dignity, honor or respect hold any authority in society anymore.

[Shard_Head]

Doesn't dignity, honor or respect hold any authority in society anymore.

It never seemed to with the soldiers

[Souseiseki]

Respect the military or be beaten. They died so you could be physically punished for not bowing to their memory.

How nice.

I think it's an alright concession, I mean their got to be some excetions to personal liberties right?

Doesn't dignity, honor or respect hold any authority in society anymore.

not really

i know you're an authoritarian but

the military beating people up for not agreeing with their politics is a bit uh

[Yankee Empire]

They should have to write up an adequate reason why they won't attend it if they can't come up with one then they go.

In other words, force a child who is already likely facing a great deal of stress (and possibly bullying) over the realization that he is "different" from his peers, to do additional work, to further put himself out on a limp, just to satisfy some sociopathic jingoist's authoritarian bloodlust.

Yes, if the young'uns won't conform, we'll just inflict emotional trauma upon their developing minds!

Brilliant idea!

It is isn't it, us evil jingoistic, authoritarian,militaristic, imperialists are just so vile and evil for trying to mold someone into being a respcted member of society, it's not like ingratitude should be corrected or anything.

Because that would impede the almighty idea of freedom which in itself is totally an empty term, i'm sure men died to give you those freedom so you can yack about what a bunch of dumbass warmongerers they were.

[Zweite Alaje]

Yet, Empires have always produced humanity's greatest civilizations.

i'm sorry but your flag got 100x more anime and i just can't take you seriously anymore

there was another thread for talking about how great imperalism is though

Ok, my avvie selections are relevant to my position how? You're really starting to piss me off, it's not funny.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Because that would impede the almighty idea of freedom which in itself is totally an empty term, i'm sure men died to give you those freedom so you can yack about what a bunch of dumbass warmongerers they were.

They died so the plutocrats can get richer, actually.

Had it not been for those soldiers, all humanity would be freer than it is now.

Why does someone who makes things worse for everyone deserve respect or gratitude?

I'm not sure why you hate America so much.

[Yankee Empire]

I think it's an alright concession, I mean their got to be some excetions to personal liberties right?

Doesn't dignity, honor or respect hold any authority in society anymore.

not really

i know you're an authoritarian but

the military beating people up for not agreeing with their politics is a bit uh

I never said the military would do it. They wouldn't have to, their be plenty of other volunteers.

[Souseiseki]

It is isn't it, us evil jingoistic, authoritarian,militaristic, imperialists are just so vile and evil for trying to mold someone into being a respcted member of society, it's not like ingratitude should be corrected or anything.

ahahahaha what even is this

Because that would impede the almighty idea of freedom which in itself is totally an empty term, i'm sure men died to give you those freedom so you can yack about what a bunch of dumbass warmongerers they were.

goddammit freedom!!!

(warning: men may or may have died to give you freedom, may have actually died trying to take freedom away or shooting unarmed protestors in the back.)

[Yankee Empire]

Doesn't dignity, honor or respect hold any authority in society anymore.

It never seemed to with the soldiers

I'd be lying if I said all soldiers deserved respect, but thats not who the memorials for.

[Yankee Empire]

may have actually died trying to take freedom away or shooting unarmed protestors in the back

The memorials not for those men.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

It never seemed to with the soldiers

I'd be lying if I said all soldiers deserved respect, but thats not who the memorials for.

A single striker, a single Occupy protester, a single draft resister, a single Freedom Rider, a single Rosa Parks, has done infinitely more for the cause of freedom, for the cause of his people, and for the cause of all mankind, than have all the soldiers in history.

[Souseiseki]

i'm sorry but your flag got 100x more anime and i just can't take you seriously anymore

there was another thread for talking about how great imperalism is though

Ok, my avvie selections are relevant to my position how? You're really starting to piss me off, it's not funny.

i thought it would have been obvious in the case of honour ):

i'll try to refrain from mentioning but considering what you think of people getting offended, i'm tempted to take leaf out of the alaje book here

[Souseiseki]

not really

i know you're an authoritarian but

the military beating people up for not agreeing with their politics is a bit uh

I never said the military would do it. They wouldn't have to, their be plenty of other volunteers.

so, you then?

you're saying that you either 1) want to personally or 2) would like to see people physically beaten and abused because they don't agree with you

is that what you're saying?

[Yankee Empire]

I'd be lying if I said all soldiers deserved respect, but thats not who the memorials for.

A single striker, a single Occupy protester, a single draft resister, has done infinitely more for the cause of freedom, for the cause of his people, and for the cause of all mankind, than have all the soldiers in history.

Seeing as how,ccupy protestors and draft dodgers haven't accompished a single thing, i'm absolutely certain your full of nonsense.

And it' makes me ecstatic to have your dissaproval.

[Incredible Bums]

Have you ever been to a "zone of war" ? Or at least been standing at the "business end" of a loaded gun ? Suffered from (real) hunger, been bombed out of your home, been a "rightless" fugitive ? I guess, no !
We´re talking about "war" here, not about a videogame or whatever your wise theoretical books say.
And there´s no such thing as "defensive war" or "offensive war", and especially none that´s called "righteous" or "preemptive". There´s only war, and war is dirty, cruel, bloody and, most important, never "heroic" !
And a bullet doesn´t care, if you´re "interventionist", "socialist", "fascist" or some other stupid idiotist, a bullet simply tries to hurt you or make you dead. You maybe consider this...

No I haven't been in a situation like that, have you? If you're an american we both owe our relatively peaceful lives to the men and women that built this nation and the power that she wields. If it weren't for those willing to crush the enemy, the American and western way of life wouldn't exist.

Yes, war is hideous, but it is part of life. One should avoid it if possible, but if the enemy is knocking at your door you must strike them down without hesitation.

Not only I, lots of people from many nations have; and, believe it or not, most of them were not even asked, if they "wanted to"; and most of them, astonishingly, were not soldiers, but civilians, victims of war, unable to "avoid it"...
...and no, I´m not "American" and guess what, my life and the life of many other people were much more "peaceful", if there weren´t people like you, "not hesitating to strike the enemy down" (sitting in their beloved chair and home at their keyboard)...claiming that "war is part of life" (but not theirs, at least not directly, only on CNN, in the papers and far, far away).
But, instead of reading "Mein Kampf", you maybe should have spent a little more time to history, thoughts, words and opinions of the "men and women, that have built your nation", because, maybe, this would change your view of life; because, they were against war; because they have "built up", not "destroyed", "bombed", "blewn to hell", "invaded", aso...
And, of course, all people are born free and equal, not only the ones you like to...

[Souseiseki]

A single striker, a single Occupy protester, a single draft resister, has done infinitely more for the cause of freedom, for the cause of his people, and for the cause of all mankind, than have all the soldiers in history.

Seeing as how strikes ,occupy protestors and draft dodges haven't accompished a single thing, i'm absolutely certain your full of nonsense.

And it' makes me ecstatic to have your dissaproval.

strikes have done nothing? oh jesus.

who is more cowardly? a man that refuses to be forced to fight in an unjust war regardless of the consequences, or a person who kills people when they know it's at best morally dubious? just curious.