tbh the before looks more shooped than the after. <.<
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by Person012345 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:17 am
by Southland » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:17 am
Disserbia wrote:swaziland on acid and jesus
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by Bambi Praxis » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:17 am
4years wrote:Hitler was worse, but I hate stalin more.
by Bambi Praxis » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:20 am
by Kazarogkai » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:21 am
by Kazarogkai » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 am
by Ozerostan » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:38 am
by Kazarogkai » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:10 pm
Ozerostan wrote:What kind of people should vote for Stalin?
Stalin never accept laws which degrade entire races and religious groups as underpeople, Hitler did. Stalin never tryed to exterminate people only because their race, sexual orientation or religious, Hitler did. Stalin is not responsible for most of people which died under his leadership, Hitler is. You know, when people die due to famine, it is not your fault, but when people died because they are mass executed it is organized.
Many of those who prefer Stalin told that under his cca 30 years long leadership died around 20 milion people due to his policies (and it is really speculative in great famine in late 20's or when it was). Hitler is dirrectly and indirectly responsible for death of 6 milion Jews, 2,8 milion Poles, 1 milion of Yugoslavs, 13,7 milion of Soviets civilians (including Jews, so some 10 milion), 3,5 milion of Soviets POWs, 0,5 milion Roma, 0,2 milion of dissabled... Without other victims from western Europe it is 24 milion in 6 years.
So statistically, Stalin is responsible for death of 0,6 milion people every year and Hitler for death of 4 milion people every year. You can see that body count is not good argument if you want to prefer Stalin against Hitler as the worst person.
by Ozerostan » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:49 pm
by Ulvena » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:50 pm
Shofercia wrote:Ulvena wrote:They're both a "9" on my 1-10 evil scale. Since I reserve my 10 rating for the guy who starts World War 3 or an equally devastating event. But I'd say Stalin is more evil. Just slightly. Firstly, Stalin killed more people. I believe the kill count for Stalin is at 20 million or so? While Hitler's kill count is at 6 or 7 million. What makes it worse is that a large portion of the people that Hitler killed were Jews (not what Hitler considered Germans) but Stalin, he murdered anyone who didn't conform. It wasn't just a respect issue, it was indiscriminate murder.
Oh, and this is a personal thing but Hitler wasn't a total Aryan master race type of person. If you read Mein Kampf, he talks more about a Pan-German Europe and he talks about how he respects Asian culture and how developed they are. Stalin? He seized farms that Asian refugees running from the Japanese developed. That would be fine except he didn't use it to feed his own people. In fact, the famine under Stalin killed ten million: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... fer=europe.
Alright, Stalin killed more people. What about his economic policies? Hitler was better at managing the economy. While the Jew money and businesses he seized helped, Hitler oversaw the creation of the Autobahn and the first few Volkswagen vehicles to name a few. Stalin? There was economic development but history tells what will happen. Russia just doesn't become the massive industrial superpower in the long run. Even if we consider the whole Star Wars fiasco by Reagan. You could blame that on communism or Stalin or whatever. It won't change that under Stalin, the average citizen suffered far more economically. Not counting the end of World War 2 of course in the case for Hitler.
Besides, Hitler wasn't a bad person from the beginning. He could've been a decent leader had he not gone off the deep end and exterminated the Jews and tried to conquer Europe. Stalin? Nobody's really a bad person from the beginning but I just don't find enough things to respect about him and just as much things to hate about him as Hitler.
So much wrong with that post. It just reminds me to avoid these types of debates.
The Soviet Union was heavily industrialized as a result of Stalin's Five Year Plans. The USSR outdid every other nation in tank production, and ya kind of need industry to build tanks. The USSR was a massive industrial power in the long run. The reason that US did better, was that US was able to make the switch from military to civilian production better than the USSR.
Hitler didn't create the autobahn. That myth has been debunked here, numerous times. Also Stalin didn't kill more people. Hitler started WWII, thus he's responsible for all civilian deaths that happened in Europe as a result of WWII. There's zilch actual evidence that Stalin's numbers even approach those margins.
by Lietvos » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:52 pm
by Nazi Flower Power » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:00 pm
Kazarogkai wrote:Also personally i would rather live under Hitler than Stalin reason? Stalin killed anyone didn't matter who you were as long as he felt like it you would die, Hitler was more specific he targeted a certain group of people so if you weren't one of them you would relatively be "OK".
by The Nuclear Fist » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:03 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Hitler could be pretty arbitrary too, having people sent to concentration camps because he suspected them of opposing him, even if the evidence was flimsy.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Nazi Flower Power » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:04 pm
Lietvos wrote:As far as I'm concerned they were both very competent leaders.
by CTALNH » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:18 pm
by Vecherd » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:00 pm
by Ryanisking » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:09 pm
by Gokturkistan » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:18 pm
CTALNH wrote:I like so much when every body decides on who is worse because of their body count...
Us comrade Stalin said:
"One death is a tragedy,A million more and it is a statistic!"
by Gokturkistan » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:26 pm
Ryanisking wrote:stalin was unchecked and unstopped from his acts he killed way more people and put his own people into poverty in opressed state
at least hitler allowed the german race to succede
by Kazarogkai » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:57 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Kazarogkai wrote:Also personally i would rather live under Hitler than Stalin reason? Stalin killed anyone didn't matter who you were as long as he felt like it you would die, Hitler was more specific he targeted a certain group of people so if you weren't one of them you would relatively be "OK".
Hitler could be pretty arbitrary too, having people sent to concentration camps because he suspected them of opposing him, even if the evidence was flimsy.
by Nazi Flower Power » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:19 pm
Kazarogkai wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Hitler could be pretty arbitrary too, having people sent to concentration camps because he suspected them of opposing him, even if the evidence was flimsy.
Stalin did that also, all the time. Remember Nikolai Yezhov, he was the right hand man and head of stalins secret police during the great purges, he eventually fell out of favor and was eliminated and all traces of him were destroyed as if he never existed. also stalin severely purged his own military killing many brilliant competent officers and practically destroying the soviet war machine which is a strong reason the soviets performed so poorly in the beginning of the war. also hitler was eventually overthrown and germany was made "Free", stallin never toppled he was able to maintain the nightmare of his regime for 30 years non stop till he died, Hitler lasted 12.
by Shofercia » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:00 am
Kazarogkai wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Hitler could be pretty arbitrary too, having people sent to concentration camps because he suspected them of opposing him, even if the evidence was flimsy.
Stalin did that also, all the time. Remember Nikolai Yezhov, he was the right hand man and head of stalins secret police during the great purges, he eventually fell out of favor and was eliminated and all traces of him were destroyed as if he never existed.
by The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:02 am
by Shofercia » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:06 am
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Stalin. He forcibly starved 7 million Ukrainians to death, brutally killed German prisoners, and his "Not one step back" policy led to the deaths of millions of Soviet soldiers.
by Shofercia » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:10 am
Kazarogkai wrote:Ozerostan wrote:What kind of people should vote for Stalin?
Stalin never accept laws which degrade entire races and religious groups as underpeople, Hitler did. Stalin never tryed to exterminate people only because their race, sexual orientation or religious, Hitler did. Stalin is not responsible for most of people which died under his leadership, Hitler is. You know, when people die due to famine, it is not your fault, but when people died because they are mass executed it is organized.
Many of those who prefer Stalin told that under his cca 30 years long leadership died around 20 milion people due to his policies (and it is really speculative in great famine in late 20's or when it was). Hitler is dirrectly and indirectly responsible for death of 6 milion Jews, 2,8 milion Poles, 1 milion of Yugoslavs, 13,7 milion of Soviets civilians (including Jews, so some 10 milion), 3,5 milion of Soviets POWs, 0,5 milion Roma, 0,2 milion of dissabled... Without other victims from western Europe it is 24 milion in 6 years.
So statistically, Stalin is responsible for death of 0,6 milion people every year and Hitler for death of 4 milion people every year. You can see that body count is not good argument if you want to prefer Stalin against Hitler as the worst person.
body count wasnt why i chose stalin though. i chose him because how bad it would be living under him in comparison to Hitler. They both were basically serial killers, they both operated a little differently, Hitler had a personal preference, stalin didn't he just killed anyone who got in his way or he perceived got in his way even some of his brilliant generals which indirectly lead to why the soviets performed so poorly in the beginning years of the invasion of russia, so that 13-14 million civilians and 3-4 million POW can be linked to him too in a way. also the usual estimate of the deaths stalin killed range from 23 million(what the russian government usually says) to around 60 Million.
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