Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.
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by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:05 pm
by Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:25 pm
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
How in any way is taking regions "stopping the spread of hatred in the world"?
Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:34 pm
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.
That's not stopping the flow for two main reasons...
1. By destroying those regions, you're merely forcing them to either
a) move into new regions and form a new active community
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Or b)Move into larger regions like the GGR in which they're not going to be censored, rather continue to "spread their views". (I'll explain why I've put that in inverted commas later).
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:2. The majority of these 'Fascists' aren't genuinely fascist... Most of them are either A) Roleplayers or B) Kids who don't know what fascism is.
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Just look at every "fascist" region out there: do you actually see them engaged in a deep debate about fascism
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:or do they talk about normal things or post things that are simply roleplaying?
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:And don't use the GGR to counter this, because how many of them do you see in there that are genuinely fascists? Five at best, and I know one of them is simply a misguided child.
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:The rest of their population are simply Roleplayers or people who are misinformed about the Nazis because they've never encountered them at school, or are merely inactive puppet nations.
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:So, in summary, you're not stopping them, you're merely smoking them out in order for them to discover new hiding spots, and by 'them' I mean the community of roleplayers that you're censoring for just trying to have some fun on an online game.
by Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:53 pm
.Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Most of them just skulk in TRR and die off eventually.
Not many, most die off
What proof do you have? At least some of them are, and that's some too many.
Some, yes.
.5 too many
.I'm pretty certain there's more than 5 Nazis in the GGR, and NAZI EUROPE has several very active Nazis, and you're forgetting Felix
As I've said, most die off. And people should try 'having fun' in a way that doesn't involve associating themselves with an ideology that glorifies and/or denies the Holocaust and promotes white supremacism. Let's leave the RL politics there, it's frowned on here.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Drop Your Pants » Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:14 pm
by Dagguerro » Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:53 pm
by Blood Tithe » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:54 pm
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:I take it you haven't read NAZI EUROPE's RMB.
by Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:45 pm
Dagguerro wrote:Against. In all I have seen of Antifa in the World Assembly they've come across as arrogant, authoritarian bullies violently enforcing their will on anyone they deem "Nazis". According to Antifa this includes groups who are most definitely not Nazis such as fascist nations (note that fascism =/= Nazism) and people who merely defend the right to free speech (because they're condemned as "Nazi-sympathisers" for opposing Antifa).
In short, they act far, far worse than the people they are fighting. And are offensive to boot. At least the fascists are polite.
We have absolutely no intention of supporting a proposal authored by these vile, self-righteous people. Nor to support a commendation of one of their number for brutally assaulting fascist but non-Nazi regions. We do not agree with fascism, but we support their rights to free speech and to their regions. Antifa attempts to censor and exterminate them, as well as slandering them by calling them Nazis, are thoroughly contemptible.
- Lord Swift
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Cromarty » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:38 am
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
How in any way is taking regions "stopping the spread of hatred in the world"?
Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.
Cerian Quilor wrote:There's a difference between breaking the rules, and being well....Cromarty...
<Koth>all sexual orientations must unite under the relative sexiness of madjack
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:03 am
Blood Tithe wrote:Regarding your commendation proposal: I'm unfamiliar with Vippertooth's glory days and have no background info on all the alleged fascist regions 'captured' by The MT Army, but The MT Army supported the Hitler Youth operation and that conquest appears 100% bogus. I exposed some of the original plan on The Hitler Youth RMB. I believe the intent was to claim an even greater victory by pretending there was an actual native population (including the WAD), when in fact, Antifa faked one.
I can only assume Vippertooth supports such monkeyshines and have to wonder how many of his raids are staged.
Good luck with your commendation proposal. In my opinion, it belongs in the joke proposal thread.
Keronika wrote:Against! Antifa is just as bad or maybe worse than the Nazi regions!
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:.Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Most of them just skulk in TRR and die off eventually.
Not many, most die off
May I draw your attention to The Dictatorship Government Alliance, in which the natives formed a new region after you raided it?
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:What proof do you have? At least some of them are, and that's some too many.
Proof? Take a look at all of the RMBs of the regions you've raided.
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:.5 too many
In comparison to the rest of the population, they are quite insignificant. Hell, I don't even know if LCG is roleplaying or not.
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:.I'm pretty certain there's more than 5 Nazis in the GGR, and NAZI EUROPE has several very active Nazis, and you're forgetting Felix
Name six active Nazis in the GGR then, name the several active Nazis in Nazi Europe, and Felix is one person.
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:As I've said, most die off. And people should try 'having fun' in a way that doesn't involve associating themselves with an ideology that glorifies and/or denies the Holocaust and promotes white supremacism. Let's leave the RL politics there, it's frowned on here.
As I've said, look at the Dictatorship Government Alliance, and in Corporate Fascism, many natives simply went off to Consumerist Paradise and didn't "die out". Actually, name five out of all the regions you've raided that have actually died out.
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:And they have to be genuine natives, not puppets or ambassadors. And as I've said, many people don't know about Nazism, so you'd have more of an effect warning people about it than performing a completely useless task that's likely to make them dislike you even more.
by Cromarty » Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:11 am
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Care to tell us why a bunch of left-libertarian anti-Nazi anti-fascists are worse than a group of oppressive authoritarian racists?
Cerian Quilor wrote:There's a difference between breaking the rules, and being well....Cromarty...
<Koth>all sexual orientations must unite under the relative sexiness of madjack
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:20 am
Cromarty wrote:Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Care to tell us why a bunch of left-libertarian anti-Nazi anti-fascists are worse than a group of oppressive authoritarian racists?
Because a great many of you aren't 'left-libertarian's but are more to the extreme left, a position responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.
Antifa, the Internationale and the Red Fleet are encased in the largest glass house in existence, and they're not throwing stones, they're firing boulders from catapults.
by Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:08 am
Die Wacht am Rhein, Fascist Empire and the United Kingdom of Breutchesland.
It doesn't matter whether they're insignificant or not, the point is they exist.
I'm assuming LCG is, what with all the dressing-up as a Nazi and running a region in which Nazis were and are present, and then you have German, Engelabad, National Sozialistisches, Celt Hibernia, Tadmirtolia and Untersagersdorf, to name a few. In Nazi Europe you have Rupture Farms Co., The Gregorach, Captain Woodhouse and Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich, among others.
1 or 2 natives of Die Wacht am Rhein, the founder of Sacra Arcana, the founder of League of Fascist States, the founder of New Fascist Union of Nations, and the native-other-than-the-founder-whose-name-I-can't-remember in Fascist Empire. Easy.
Well some of the natives of CF evidently believed in fascism, what with the Mussolini quote that used to occupy theirRMBWFE.
Perhaps being driven out of 'their' region will shock them out of their fascism. I don't know, I'm no psychologist.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:10 am
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Die Wacht am Rhein, Fascist Empire and the United Kingdom of Breutchesland.
Evidence please.It doesn't matter whether they're insignificant or not, the point is they exist.
Nazis exist in real life, maybe you should hunt them down as well be because "they exist".I'm assuming LCG is, what with all the dressing-up as a Nazi and running a region in which Nazis were and are present, and then you have German, Engelabad, National Sozialistisches, Celt Hibernia, Tadmirtolia and Untersagersdorf, to name a few. In Nazi Europe you have Rupture Farms Co., The Gregorach, Captain Woodhouse and Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich, among others.
Just because the latter 3 may be active in the region, doesn't mean they're Nazis. And German is a complete imbecile who believes that Ares, the Greek God of War, was spared by Jesus because Jesus believes that there cannot be happiness without war. And as for LCG, her constant Gerlish and unchanging leather theme suggests that she's just roleplaying/cosplaying and/or a parody.1 or 2 natives of Die Wacht am Rhein, the founder of Sacra Arcana, the founder of League of Fascist States, the founder of New Fascist Union of Nations, and the native-other-than-the-founder-whose-name-I-can't-remember in Fascist Empire. Easy.
Of course the founders died out, their entire purpose was to control the region. You'll find that most of the actual natives who were there of their own free will moved on to different regions.Well some of the natives of CF evidently believed in fascism, what with the Mussolini quote that used to occupy theirRMBWFE.
The quote was on the WFE, not the RMB, and that was put there by the founder (who died off before the "raid") and not the natives.Perhaps being driven out of 'their' region will shock them out of their fascism. I don't know, I'm no psychologist.
Evidently not . I honestly hope you don't believe this.
by Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:53 am
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Evidence please.
Nazis exist in real life, maybe you should hunt them down as well be because "they exist".
Just because the latter 3 may be active in the region, doesn't mean they're Nazis. And German is a complete imbecile who believes that Ares, the Greek God of War, was spared by Jesus because Jesus believes that there cannot be happiness without war. And as for LCG, her constant Gerlish and unchanging leather theme suggests that she's just roleplaying/cosplaying and/or a parody.
Of course the founders died out, their entire purpose was to control the region. You'll find that most of the actual natives who were there of their own free will moved on to different regions.
The quote was on the WFE, not the RMB, and that was put there by the founder (who died off before the "raid") and not the natives.
Evidently not . I honestly hope you don't believe this.
I fail to see how any of this, given that it appears to be about me and UNAF, is relevant to a commendation about Vippertooth33.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:56 am
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I fail to see how any of this, given that it appears to be about me and UNAF, is relevant to a commendation about Vippertooth33.
It's about proving how useless the Antifa cause is, and thus why Vippertooth33 shouldn't receive a commendation.
Now stop avoiding the argument and answer my post.
by Drop Your Pants » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:28 am
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:31 am
Drop Your Pants wrote:I'll ask again but not the nice way, has he griefed regions i.e. kicked natives out and/or refounded or been part of the effort to do so.
by Drop Your Pants » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:47 am
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:47 am
Drop Your Pants wrote:Thats ok then, was just wondering. I don't believe griefers should receive an award for community destruction so i'll be asking (i say ask but really i'm telling) Griffin not to approve this proposal.
by Jamie Anumia » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:49 am
by Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:26 am
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
It's about proving how useless the Antifa cause is, and thus why Vippertooth33 shouldn't receive a commendation.
Now stop avoiding the argument and answer my post.
No, because all the questions you've asked concern UNAF, UNAF-centric operations, the end product of UNAF operations and occupants of Nazi regions. As such, they're not relevant and I refuse to answer them. Bring me questions relevant to the Commendation and I will.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Bears Armed » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:46 am
Lovely summary of their position!Cromarty wrote:Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Care to tell us why a bunch of left-libertarian anti-Nazi anti-fascists are worse than a group of oppressive authoritarian racists?
Because a great many of you aren't 'left-libertarian's but are more to the extreme left, a position responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.
Antifa, the Internationale and the Red Fleet are encased in the largest glass house in existence, and they're not throwing stones, they're firing boulders from catapults.
by Blood Tithe » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:33 pm
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote: In Nazi Europe you have Rupture Farms Co., The Gregorach, Captain Woodhouse and Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich, among others.
It's no secret that the WAD always has been an RDC member.
With regards to your claim about 'faking' a native population, may I suggest that you take a look through the banlist of Hitler Youth? I found at least 5 credible natives and a few members of the GGR who either turned up just before the raid or were natives.
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