Two Proposals advocating for a international language

[The Second Moon Rising]

The Second Moon Rising is against this idea.

... If only because this delegate already had to learn the language of "English" to be an effective member of the World Assembly. "English" seems to serve well enough already.

[States of Glory WA Office]

Fairburn: I do believe that you're right for the wrong reasons, Lord Colonel His Grace Cyril Parsons, 1st Duke of Geneva, 1st Earl Parsons of Eastminster, 8th Viscount Parsons of Eastminster, 1st Baron Markenshire of Concilium, Knight of the Garter, Grand Cross of St Michael and St George, Privy Councillor, Member of Parliament for Those-Across-the-Seas; Proconsul Decimus; Permanent Representative to the World Assembly. It should be in the accusative form, but on the basis that it is the object of the sentence, not that it is the subject.

"Ambassadors, it belongs to the Nominative case, being the agent of the finite word "solum", and, being of the female gender in that it relates to lingua, a feminine word, would receive the singular ending -a."

Fairburn: 'Lingua bona' is the agent of 'solum'. The 'lingua bona' is performing the verb 'est' to the noun-adjective combination 'linguam mortuam'. Now, if you don't shut up, someone here is going to be 'mortuum' and it isn't going to be me.

Neville: Does that not count as a threat?

Fairburn: Cui, Nevillus? Bello?

OOC: OK, seriously, does the word 'est' in Latin make a noun accusative? I could honestly see an argument either way.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ambassadors, it belongs to the Nominative case, being the agent of the finite word "solum", and, being of the female gender in that it relates to lingua, a feminine word, would receive the singular ending -a."

Fairburn: 'Lingua bona' is the agent of 'solum'. The 'lingua bona' is performing the verb 'est' to the noun-adjective combination 'linguam mortuam'. Now, if you don't shut up, someone here is going to be 'mortuum' and it isn't going to be me.

Neville: Does that not count as a threat?

Fairburn: Cui, Nevillus? Bello?

OOC: OK, seriously, does the word 'est' in Latin make a noun accusative? I could honestly see an argument either way.

OOC: never in my experience, but I was a poor Latin student. It's inflectional, while English is positional, and I never managed to reconcile that in my brain. My Latin always looked very...well, American. Got on well with their philosophy, though.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

...OOC: OK, seriously, does the word 'est' in Latin make a noun accusative? I could honestly see an argument either way.

No.

Deus magnus est, puella scita est, saxum calidum est. Edit: that last is useless, of course, being 2decl neut, but whatever...

Edit 2: see below for response to the *actual* question. Damn my substandard reading comprehension!

Stercus, alea iacta est, canes!

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Medea praecantatrix est. Napoleon pumilus fuit. Pirata audax erat, sed postea senex erat.

[Storyia]

The delegation from The People's Republic of Storyia object to the avocation of an international language. It seems to be an unnecessary burden to a member states to have to implement education standards for citizens, of their respective states, to be proficient at another language. It is suffice to say that delegates and ambassadors to member nations would obviously be educated in said languages. It would be irrelevant, redundant, and costly for member nations to adopt a international language.

[States of Glory WA Office]

Fairburn: 'Lingua bona' is the agent of 'solum'. The 'lingua bona' is performing the verb 'est' to the noun-adjective combination 'linguam mortuam'. Now, if you don't shut up, someone here is going to be 'mortuum' and it isn't going to be me.

Neville: Does that not count as a threat?

Fairburn: Cui, Nevillus? Bello?

OOC: OK, seriously, does the word 'est' in Latin make a noun accusative? I could honestly see an argument either way.

OOC: never in my experience, but I was a poor Latin student. It's inflectional, while English is positional, and I never managed to reconcile that in my brain. My Latin always looked very...well, American. Got on well with their philosophy, though.

OOC: How can Latin look American? 'tabernam hostorum intravi. Biggus Maccus consumpsi.'

I've also realised that I haven't expressed my opinion on the two proposals. I'm against both of them. The universal translators do a good enough job.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: How can Latin look American? 'tabernam hostorum intravi. Biggus Maccus consumpsi.'

For example, using SVO instead of SOV.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: never in my experience, but I was a poor Latin student. It's inflectional, while English is positional, and I never managed to reconcile that in my brain. My Latin always looked very...well, American. Got on well with their philosophy, though.

OOC: How can Latin look American? 'tabernam hostorum intravi. Biggus Maccus consumpsi.'

I've also realised that I haven't expressed my opinion on the two proposals. I'm against both of them. The universal translators do a good enough job.

OOC: Word order is basically meaningless in Latin. You can shake up a paragraph and let the nouns and verbs fall where they will, so long as the connectors are ordered properly, everything will basically work out. That's actually no small amount of Latin poetry.

On the other hand, I always wrote like an American. Noun Verbed Adjectivally. Noun Adjective Verb Preposition Noun. My German is pretty much the same way, which is really difficult to work around. As I recall, German wants any verbs after your first at the end of your sentence, where I would place them relevant to their subject.

Thus, translators, which is why I also cannot support this ICly or OOCly.

[Dooom35796821595]

"The Imperium sees no reason to teach foreign languages within our borders, nor would we allow such a thing to take place were there reason. This proposal that you seek to garner support for, provides no justification whatsoever for its mandates, and fails to explain why this 'Esperanto' nonsense is chosen above... whatever this language the World Assembly mandates is called; 'Inglish', or somesuch gibbering. In any case, the Imperium will not see the language of our people displaced by some foreign nonsense."

Our nation has many multilingual citizens, since there are many careers that can require either your people know the other language or the other nation knows yours. It's always better your people know other languages instead of other people's learning your language.

Of course, we would take offence at the WA trying to force us to teach a new language just to assist inept nations who give no thought to their nations effective operation.

[States of Glory WA Office]

OOC: How can Latin look American? 'tabernam hostorum intravi. Biggus Maccus consumpsi.'

For example, using SVO instead of SOV.

OOC: Huh. While I was aware that students in the US tend to place the genitive above the accusative when learning cases (which, when considering how important the genitive case is in Latin, makes a lot of sense), I was not aware that they tended to use an SVO construction. It does mirror English more, but as someone who's had to translate SOV passages, SVO Latin does look a little alien.

[Elke and Elba]

Madsons: What is this Esperanto bullshit? Never heard of it. It's patently obvious to me that anyone who doesn't speak Latin is a barbarian.

Alethea pops in.
"Ah Knabo, zis Esperanto thing is interesting! But alas, is not useful. You need to learn vortoj after vortoj. La knabo sinjoron NewYorkState probably doesn't know Esperanto himself, but I do a bit! I know training people to speak Esperanto may seem like something that can be done rapido, but oni diras, it's not worth changing the entire forest just to make things a little better - which probably have little benefits thereafter."

OOC: I gave up learning Esperanto about a month in. I realised that a universal language isn't a good thing here nor in real life, and forcing people to converse and accept a language as superior in a inherent fashion often times means giving up culture and things that can only be expressed in a certain language (ie sisu in Finnish, or hiraeth in Welsh). While Swahili is often spoken as a trade language in markets and market towns, they do not erode the value of their own mother tongues at home. Esperanto may, and that alone isn't a good thing for real life.

There are certain Esperanto words that have been used in my IC response - ie knabo is brother, vortoj is words, la knabo sinjoron NewYorkState is the brother Mr. NewYorkState, rapido is fast and oni diras is people say/it is said. I already forgot most of the grammar rules. Not useful in real world - I'd rather learn the hundred-times harder Icelandic or Faroese and their culture than just an artificial vessel for communication, and despite a L2 speaker number of two million there's not really many to talk to in Esperanto anyway, and there are issues about the Esperanto movement being hijacked by certain individuals, but that's another topic for General

[Bears Armed]

OOC: Allegedly, on Earth-RL nowadays, Klingon has more speakers than Esperanto does!

^_^

[Almonaster Nuevo]

OOC: Allegedly, on Earth-RL nowadays, Klingon has more speakers than Esperanto does!

^_^

I strongly doubt that.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Allegedly, on Earth-RL nowadays, Klingon has more speakers than Esperanto does!

^_^

OOC:Maj! Hoch chargh tlhIngan wo'! Q'plah!

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Obligatory

[Araraukar]

OOC: Allegedly, on Earth-RL nowadays, Klingon has more speakers than Esperanto does!

^_^

I strongly doubt that.

OOC: About 20-30 fluent Klingon speakers, about 10,000 fluent Esperanto speakers. But being fluent in Klingon is a bit hard due to the vocabulary being futuristic to say it mildly.

[Libertarianopolis]

All this is is a restraint. Enforcing a universal language would bring disadvantages to those aspiring to be political leaders or business professionals. You should not challenge human liberty. Making a specific language necessary for business and politics is an attack on liberty.

The Free People of Libertarianopolois strongly oppose this restricting and unnecessary regulation.

[Noahs Second Country]

I think that English serves well enough,for trade, but maybe a specific language for better communications?

[Separatist Peoples]

I think that English serves well enough,for trade, but maybe a specific language for better communications?

"Why? Why bother creating a specific language at all? What is so wrong with the use of translators and retaining the unique cultural facets of using a native tongue? Why do you want to kill cultural diversity?"