Secretariat's Council (MEMBERS ANNOUNCED)

[Sedgistan]

We have a (currently) private forum set up for it, plus user group. It's called "General Assembly Secretariat", as that doesn't clash with the SC's initials, and it fits as an IC description - the body will be doing what the Secretariat always has been.

I/we are open to alternate names, but that's the one I think works best at the moment. We're all still saying "Council" a lot, though, as that's what we'd been using for a while before.

[Excidium Planetis]

We have a (currently) private forum set up for it, plus user group. It's called "General Assembly Secretariat", as that doesn't clash with the SC's initials, and it fits as an IC description - the body will be doing what the Secretariat always has been.

I/we are open to alternate names, but that's the one I think works best at the moment. We're all still saying "Council" a lot, though, as that's what we'd been using for a while before.

But now the initials are GAS.

I vote in favor if GA Rules Council. GARC sounds nice.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

We have a (currently) private forum set up for it, plus user group. It's called "General Assembly Secretariat", as that doesn't clash with the SC's initials, and it fits as an IC description - the body will be doing what the Secretariat always has been.

I/we are open to alternate names, but that's the one I think works best at the moment. We're all still saying "Council" a lot, though, as that's what we'd been using for a while before.

But now the initials are GAS.

I vote in favor if GA Rules Council. GARC sounds nice.

I disagree. It is devoutly to be hoped that the members of the council do not take themselves too seriously; what better way to help this than by putting them in a body that opens them up to the epithet "GASbags?"

[Separatist Peoples]

General Assembly Appellate Board/Council.

I'm telling you, Appellate would sound friggin' awesome in the name.

[Bananaistan]

But now the initials are GAS.

I vote in favor if GA Rules Council. GARC sounds nice.

I disagree. It is devoutly to be hoped that the members of the council do not take themselves too seriously; what better way to help this than by putting them in a body that opens them up to the epithet "GASbags?"

This, please.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Garc is too much like Farc, to be honest.

[Excidium Planetis]

Garc is too much like Farc, to be honest.

Well, we have to have something in there. It can't just be GA Council, then it becomes GAC and it will continuously remind me of this.

What about GA Legality Council? GALC?

[Imperium Anglorum]

Conseil du secrétariat de l'assemblée générale.

[Excidium Planetis]

Conseil secrétariat de l'assemblée générale.

CSAG (See-sag)? Honestly, that sounds kinda cool. But I don't think français is allowed.

[Separatist Peoples]

Garc is too much like Farc, to be honest.

Well, we have to have something in there. It can't just be GA Council, then it becomes GAC and it will continuously remind me of this.

What about GA Legality Council? GALC?

General Assembly Legality Appellate Council That Inspects Challenges

GALACTIC.

[Excidium Planetis]

Well, we have to have something in there. It can't just be GA Council, then it becomes GAC and it will continuously remind me of this.

What about GA Legality Council? GALC?

General Assembly Legality Appellate Council That Inspects Challenges

GALACTIC.

Change "Inspects" to "Investigates", and I approve.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I am really partial to French as the diplomatic lingua franca... so I'd be hella down for CSAG. A French name would totes be dope. /s

[Separatist Peoples]

I am really partial to French as the diplomatic lingua franca... so I'd be hella down for CSAG. A French name would totes be dope. /s

I don't have character space for all the reasons French would be terrible. Thank FSM for /s symbols.

[Sedgistan]

Well, we have to have something in there. It can't just be GA Council, then it becomes GAC and it will continuously remind me of this.

What about GA Legality Council? GALC?

General Assembly Legality Appellate Council That Inspects Challenges

GALACTIC.

General Assembly Secretariat That Really Inspects Challenges.

GASTRIC

[Auralia]

General Assembly Review Board, maybe?

[Tinfect]

General Assembly Review Board, maybe?

General Assembly Review Board And General Egocentrics? (GARBAGE)

[Excidium Planetis]

General Assembly Review Board, maybe?

Then they could issue out GA Review Board Legality Executive Decisions.

[Gruenberg]

Discussing the really important issues, as always.

Given the apparently rejuvenated enthusiasm of the moderator team for contributing to the discussion, any chance of returning to the unanswered questions posed by Bananaistan and myself?

[Mousebumples]

Discussing the really important issues, as always.

Given the apparently rejuvenated enthusiasm of the moderator team for contributing to the discussion, any chance of returning to the unanswered questions posed by Bananaistan and myself?

Just paged back over the past few pages to find what (I think) are the "unanswered questions" that you're referring to. There's a lot of things that are still to-be-determined during this initial trial period, as we see how things work out. We don't have a set timeline of [X weeks/months] will be the duration, whether there will be term limits for councillors, etc.

My hope is that, with success of the Council, they can look back at past precedents to determine which ones are outdated and should perhaps be removed from enforcement - or which ones are contradictory and work out the details there. There's lots of "possibilities" here, but it's difficult to know where things will go to say much more than what's been established with great certainty.

[States of Glory WA Office]

Discussing the really important issues, as always.

Oh, lighten up already. Can't we have some fun?

[Excidium Planetis]

Discussing the really important issues, as always.

Oh, lighten up already. Can't we have some fun?

Of course not. What do you think this is, some kind of game?

[Gruenberg]

Discussing the really important issues, as always.

Given the apparently rejuvenated enthusiasm of the moderator team for contributing to the discussion, any chance of returning to the unanswered questions posed by Bananaistan and myself?

Just paged back over the past few pages to find what (I think) are the "unanswered questions" that you're referring to.

As long as it is done with consensus and reasoned debate.

This sounds like, if the Council decides to overrule the moderator, the moderator can throw this out if he - or, perhaps, she - doesn't feel they have had a "reasoned debate".

Is this the case?

This is something that will be determined by the council and mods. It's an area targeted for outreach. Improvement would be ideal. The objective would be to get new authors to become regular participants and make contributions.

It's a fairly massive issue that so far as I can see hasn't previously been discussed at all in the course of this thread. I'd go so far as to say that if this is the aim of the Council, we need to start all over again from square one, because reaching proposal submitters who bypass the forum isn't something any forum regulars are going to have any experience at. Where did the idea that this was going to be a major council responsibility come from?

Overruling is not allowed. It is one vote one member. The mods are subject to the same standard.

Yes, and there are many more mods than council members. As for the 2-3-1 ruling, as I pointed out the 2 mods could thereby overrule the council. And yes, let's say you were involved in a previous ruling, obviously. Having had answered absolutely none of my questions, I'll ask them again:

So a group of mods could overrule the Council? So a 2-3-1 split could be decided by 2 mods weighing in with the 2? So players have to recuse themselves if their proposals are up for debate, but moderators don't have to recuse themselves if their rulings are up for debate?

This will be detailed out in a document for council members. Take a look at the Illegal Proposal thread. The ones that jump out to you - for example - would qualify as "obvious". Proposals that look legal on the surface would fall into the "grey" area.

What? That's a completely nonsense standard. Many of the proposals that "jump out" to moderators as being illegal are not, or are not illegal for the reasons they claim. Bananaistan once spent five months drafting a resolution which you then deleted after five hours, wrongly as it almost immediately turned out - presumably it "jumped out" to you at the time. If the moderators are still removing all of these resolutions, the Council appears to have no value.

Is there going to be some clarification as to what constitutes an "obvious" violation?

In relation to the 3 or 4 points that haven't since been replied to or discussed (1: entirely private forum, ... 3: blanket legality checks, and 4: independence of councillors regarding co-authored proposals or proposals where they made significant contributions), would it be fair to assume given the lack of replies, that these matters are still open?

[Talkistan]

I am really partial to French as the diplomatic lingua franca... so I'd be hella down for CSAG. A French name would totes be dope. /s

I missed out on most of the fun, but I'll be damned if I don't throw in a suggestion:
Conseil de Assemblée Générale Elite (CAGE)

And people arguing about the legality of a proposal could be called "CAGE fighters"

[Mousebumples]

Yes, Gruen, those are all things that have been discussed internally among the mods that we've decided that is best addressed by talking with and working with the first Councillors, to determine how things will/should work. Which is why there is no answer for you at this time, which is what I said in my post above. We're aiming for this project to be collaborative, and not combative, and I hope that we will be able to work together effectively.

[Bananaistan]

That's not unreasonable but what about the forum issue, IE whether it's publicly viewable or entirely private? Starting it off entirely private with the aim of seeing how it works out would seem to me to lock the rest of the GA regulars out of input into future decisions about the council. It's worth noting that the majority of posters wanted some form of public deliberation in their answers to Ara's questionnaire.