[Draft] WA Campus Security Act

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Those are "diplomats to other nations." The World Assembly is not a nation.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

Those are "diplomats to other nations." The World Assembly is not a nation.

I believe this clause takes care of that.

REQUIRES that all diplomats sent to the World Assembly shall be automatically granted diplomatic immunity

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Diplomatic immunity has to do with diplomats' treatment as criminal suspects, not how they are treated physically. Moreover, the clause you previously cited only forbids physical harm, etc., by the host nation (presumably by the government or carried out with government approval). "A group of natives" is not a government.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Why are we still discussing this? The WA cannot legislate upon itself, and unless that ruling is overturned (and if it is, be prepared for the gnomes to unionize) this will never see the light of day.

Can we move on to more important things like manning ritual sacrifice please?

[Flibbleites]

Can we move on to more important things like manning ritual sacrifice please?

"Manning" ritual sacrifice? I'm not sure I want to know how one mans a ritual sacrifice.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Can we move on to more important things like manning ritual sacrifice please?

"Manning" ritual sacrifice? I'm not sure I want to know how one mans a ritual sacrifice.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

While drones, terminators, and UCAVs can handle most types o' killin', I think the knife work still requires a human touch in most rituals. An "unmanned ritual sacrifice" would be just another strike, and would fail to propitiate the gods, monsters, demons, spirits, elementals, nephilim, or reptilians in question.

I assume. I mean I'm not a high priest or anything. But I'm gonna go with that for now.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Can we move on to more important things like manning ritual sacrifice please?

"Manning" ritual sacrifice? I'm not sure I want to know how one mans a ritual sacrifice.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

OOC: I meant "banning".

These keyboards on iPhones should be the first thing banned.

[Defwa]

"Manning" ritual sacrifice? I'm not sure I want to know how one mans a ritual sacrifice.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

While drones, terminators, and UCAVs can handle most types o' killin', I think the knife work still requires a human touch in most rituals. An "unmanned ritual sacrifice" would be just another strike, and would fail to propitiate the gods, monsters, demons, spirits, elementals, nephilim, or reptilians in question.

I assume. I mean I'm not a high priest or anything. But I'm gonna go with that for now.

Untrue! Defwa has fully automated human sacrifice machines available to the consumer. They're basically a mechanical arm with a swiss army knife for a hand that have been recognized as sentient (for all intents and purposes) AIs admitted into one or more priesthoods, but they get the job done and Xoctleclan has not destroyed the world once yet.

[Caracasus]

Honestly, unmanned checkouts at supermarkets, unmanned drones, potentially unmanned cars and lorries and now unmanned sacrifices? Way to stick it to the working classes. I do hope the high priests unionize before this gets through.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Untrue! Defwa has fully automated human sacrifice machines available to the consumer. They're basically a mechanical arm with a swiss army knife for a hand that have been recognized as sentient (for all intents and purposes) AIs admitted into one or more priesthoods, but they get the job done and Xoctleclan has not destroyed the world once yet.

Parsons: (mumbling) Thank the heavens that we repealed that resolution which forced everyone to legalise those things.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

Bumping this up as I understand the rule changes are about to come into effect.

[Tinfect]

OOC:
WA Army Rules aren't likely to be going anywhere, and if they, do,

Okay, that's exactly what is happening, however, you're still contradicting GAR 2. Still illegal.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

OOC:
WA Army Rules aren't likely to be going anywhere, and if they, do,

Okay, that's exactly what is happening, however, you're still contradicting GAR 2. Still illegal.

OOC: I know of at least two efforts to ongoing to repeal and replace that, so obviously I'll have to wait for one of those to succeed first.

Edit:

Depends on what way the duplication rule goes.

In the five or six years it will actually take to get the new rule set in place?

10 months. So much for your estimate.

[Tinfect]

OOC:
WA Army Rules aren't likely to be going anywhere, and if they, do,

Okay, that's exactly what is happening, however, you're still contradicting GAR 2. Still illegal.

OOC: I know of at least two efforts to ongoing to repeal and replace that, so obviously I'll have to wait for one of those to succeed first.

OOC:
Judging by how soundly we smashed the last one, I wouldn't bet on it. And if that were to come to pass, I can assure you, that this would not be the WA Army concept I'd like to see passing.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Opposed. The World Assembly shouldn't have access to so much as a single nightstick, let alone a security force."

[Wallenburg]

'Wildly, blatantly, and idiotically illegal, Ambassador. We are opposed."

[Bananaistan]

Eh, isn't the committee rule still in place?

Committees cannot be the sole purpose of the proposal. It is an addition to the proposal and designed to carry out specific duties related to the proposal. ....

[The Candy Of Bottles]

Eh, isn't the committee rule still in place?

Committees cannot be the sole purpose of the proposal. It is an addition to the proposal and designed to carry out specific duties related to the proposal. ....

OOC: Ah... So it is. I'll have to work something out. Place the responsibility for holding the trials on member states perhaps.

[Potted Plants United]

OOC: I realize that you're going to have to re-think this to not run afoul of the committee-only violation, but couldn't resist a little bit of RP just for the sake of RP...

The WACSD is also ordered to station units of at least 4 individuals at all WA properties away from the main campus, to enforce WA law there as well.

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"We would like to ask for a bit of a clarification here... When you require individuals to be stationed, do you mean individual persons or individual units? This may seem like a moot point to single-thinkers, but is an important disctinction to our selves, and very likely to other hiveminds around here. For example, this speaker plant is an individual unit, but is "operated" by the person that you know as "Potted Plants United"."

OOC again: Also, you might want to put your spoilered drafts in the first post after the current one - it makes quoting it much easier.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

OOC: I realize that you're going to have to re-think this to not run afoul of the committee-only violation, but couldn't resist a little bit of RP just for the sake of RP...

The WACSD is also ordered to station units of at least 4 individuals at all WA properties away from the main campus, to enforce WA law there as well.

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"We would like to ask for a bit of a clarification here... When you require individuals to be stationed, do you mean individual persons or individual units? This may seem like a moot point to single-thinkers, but is an important disctinction to our selves, and very likely to other hiveminds around here. For example, this speaker plant is an individual unit, but is "operated" by the person that you know as "Potted Plants United"."

OOC again: Also, you might want to put your spoilered drafts in the first post after the current one - it makes quoting it much easier.

"I believe individual 'units' would be acceptable, given a reasonable degree of autonomous capabilities. Regardless, this would be populated primarily by gnomes, just like any other committee around here, although there's nothing stopping them from accepting volunteers." Tislam passes around a new sheet of paper. "Additionally, I've prepared a new draft that I believe should satisfy the committee-only rule."

[Liagolas]

"Ah, what have we here?" The grey-cloaked Mouth of the Dominino to the World Assembly sits down, an eager tone in its voice, and a black-cloaked Hand of the Dominion passes it a copy of the draft. "Hm. Interesting. The Dominion can see why this might be necessary... but it the Dominion is not sure if this is the best answer to the cited problem. This will require further analysis."

Noting the weak and often haphazard enforcement of its laws on its own grounds,

And believing that stricter enforcement is needed,

"While this is technically a matter of personal taste, it is the preference of the Dominion that the word 'and' be added to the end of a line rather than the beginning. Therefore, the clauses would read as

Noting the weak and often haphazard enforcement of its laws on its own grounds, and

Believing that stricter enforcement is needed,

"That way, lowercase verbs are avoided, and the resolution conforms to general expectations of what a resolution looks like."

Hereby creates

"The Dominion is uncertain if the 'Hereby' is at all necessary," the Mouth says. "Since you have already introduced your subject (The World Assembly) at the beginning of the resolution, a 'hereby' is not strictly needed here."

Hereby creates the World Assembly Campus Security Department (WACSD) as a subsidiary of the WA Office of Building Management (WAOBM) with the authority to enforce the terms of all GA resolutions on WA property, within the bounds of GA#22 (Diplomat Protection Act) or any resolution that replaces it. If no such resolution exists, the WACSD is hereby authorized to use any means necessary, short of lethal or permanently crippling force, to deal with offenders.

"Hm... it is the concern of the Dominion that this contradicts GAR#2," the Mouth says. "That resolution prohibits the WA from engaging in police activities, and it is the view of the Dominion that enforcing laws through use of even non-lethal force is an example of police activity.

the WA will not engage in commanding, organising, ratifying, denouncing, or otherwise participating in armed conflicts, police actions, or military activities under the WA banner.

"Hypothetically speaking, you could submit this if GAR#2 was repealed, but as things are this would be illegal to pass into law."

The WACSD is directed to establish and maintain a series of holding cells, to be expanded as needs dictate, on WA property to hold offenders as needed. All trials resulting from WACSD arrests are the responsibility of the nation of origin of the injured party, or of the accused if no injured party exists. Custody must be transferred as soon as charges have been filed.

"Holding cells and arrests... More mandates that strike the Dominion as being police activity."

The WACSD is also ordered to station units of at least 4 individuals at all WA properties away from the main campus, to enforce WA law there as well.

"Four seems like a rather arbitrary number," the Mouth says. "It is the belief of the Dominion that it would be more sensible to order the WASCD to 'station an appropriate number of WASCD officers at all WA properties away from the main campus to enforce WA law there as well.'"

All WACSD members ranking Sergeant or above are required to possess a black belt in karate or the equivalent in another martial art.

"It is the stance of the Dominion that requiring training in specifically martial arts is highly arbitrary. It is the recommendation of the Dominion that this clause be changed to the following:

Requires all WACSD members ranking Sergeant or above to be appropriately trained in unarmed combat,

"Although requiring those ranking above Sergeant to be trained is somewhat arbitrary as well. Why not, erm... privates?" The Mouth leans over to the Hand and whispers, a bit too loudly, "How do police ranks outside the Dominion work again?" The Hand shakes its head, apparently not quite knowing off the top of its head either. The Mouth shrugs and continues, "Although this brings up another matter.

"It is the belief of the Dominion that it would be best if your last five clauses better conformed to typical resolution styles, as doing so improves its chances of being passed. Placing the verbs in the middle of the clause is somewhat irregular, and the absence of commas is troubling to this Mouth. If you do not mind, Ambassador, it is the proposition of the Dominion that the last five clauses be written as the following:

Directs the WASCD to establish and maintain a series of holding cells, to be expanded as needs dictate, on WA property to hold offenders as needed. All trials resulting from WACSD arrests are the responsibility of the nation of origin of the injured party, or of the accused if no injured party exists. Custody must be transferred as soon as charges have been filed,

Orders the WASCD to station units of appropriate size at all WA properties away from the main campus, to enforce WA law there as well,

Requires all WACSD members ranking Sergeant or above to be appropriately trained in unarmed combat,

Declares that further regulations, such as age, height, and strength requirements, are to be appropriately set by either the WACSD or the WAOBM, and

Further establishes the WACSD Internal Affairs Division (WACSDIAD) is further established to enforce WA law within both the WACSD and itself.

"Although..." the Mouth says slowly, sounding as though it's thinking through the process. "It is possible that the naturally upright and honest nature of most dwarfs would nullify the necessity of and Internal Affairs division... though that is a point of some disagreement."

The Mouth sets its copy of the draft down and relaxes back in its seat. "It is the conclusion of the Dominion that this is a subject of some promise and is rather interesting. Tragically, it would be illegal to pass until GAR#2 is repealed, though there does exist some interest in doing so in order to replace it with improved legislation. Should you communicate with those authors who are writing such replacements, you could perhaps ensure that any potential future prohibitions on World Assembly police activity include an exception for policing activities upon the World Assembly's own property.

"While it is not the will of the Dominion to support this proposal at this time or in this form, it does believe that it exhibits great potential. The Dominion shall monitor this closely should GAR#2 be repealed."

Establishes the World Assembly Office of Building Management (OBM), the duties of which shall entail:
- locating suitable real estate for the establishment of international headquarters for the NationStates World Assembly
- constructing and maintaining the facilities necessary to house these headquarters
- furnishing the necessary security to protect the headquarters complex and all who use it

OOC: Yes, this is actually intended to expand on that line.

The Hand suddenly shoves a paper copy of another resolution into the Mouth's line of sight, and with a start it pauses to read it. "Hm. Ah!" It nods in the Hand's direction and says, "It is the understanding of the Dominion that there may be some concern that the security established by GAR#8 would nullify the necessity of this proposal. However, this proposal clearly delves into policing activities, something GAR#8's security cannot possibly have been doing, as that would violate GAR#2. It is therefore the interpretation of the Dominion that the WASCD would serve a different purpose than GAR#8's security and not be duplication. If there are any who dispute such an interpretation, though, the Dominion is not unwilling to hear opposition arguments for a different interpretation."

EDIT:

"The Dominion should clarify that its reference to efforts to repeal GAR#2 is not meant to allude to the Repeal draft presented by Ambassador Santos of Sciongrad. It is the understanding of the Dominion that such is more of a protest against recent changes in the rules of legislation. There exist other, more serious efforts to repeal GAR#2.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

"Ah, what have we here?" The grey-cloaked Mouth of the Dominino to the World Assembly sits down, an eager tone in its voice, and a black-cloaked Hand of the Dominion passes it a copy of the draft. "Hm. Interesting. The Dominion can see why this might be necessary... but it the Dominion is not sure if this is the best answer to the cited problem. This will require further analysis."

Noting the weak and often haphazard enforcement of its laws on its own grounds,

And believing that stricter enforcement is needed,

"While this is technically a matter of personal taste, it is the preference of the Dominion that the word 'and' be added to the end of a line rather than the beginning. Therefore, the clauses would read as

Noting the weak and often haphazard enforcement of its laws on its own grounds, and

Believing that stricter enforcement is needed,

"That way, lowercase verbs are avoided, and the resolution conforms to general expectations of what a resolution looks like."

Hereby creates

"The Dominion is uncertain if the 'Hereby' is at all necessary," the Mouth says. "Since you have already introduced your subject (The World Assembly) at the beginning of the resolution, a 'hereby' is not strictly needed here."

OOC: Snipped some out here to help keep this shorter. Nothing I can do anything about.

The WACSD is also ordered to station units of at least 4 individuals at all WA properties away from the main campus, to enforce WA law there as well.

"Four seems like a rather arbitrary number," the Mouth says. "It is the belief of the Dominion that it would be more sensible to order the WASCD to 'station an appropriate number of WASCD officers at all WA properties away from the main campus to enforce WA law there as well.'"

"Note that that is designated as the minimum. I suspect four individuals should be plenty at the smallest WA owned establishments. One would leave the first officer to engage without any backup should it be needed."

All WACSD members ranking Sergeant or above are required to possess a black belt in karate or the equivalent in another martial art.

"It is the stance of the Dominion that requiring training in specifically martial arts is highly arbitrary. It is the recommendation of the Dominion that this clause be changed to the following:

Requires all WACSD members ranking Sergeant or above to be appropriately trained in unarmed combat,

"Whoops. Missed an edit I meant to transfer from elsewhere there."

"Although requiring those ranking above Sergeant to be trained is somewhat arbitrary as well. Why not, erm... privates?" The Mouth leans over to the Hand and whispers, a bit too loudly, "How do police ranks outside the Dominion work again?" The Hand shakes its head, apparently not quite knowing off the top of its head either. The Mouth shrugs and continues, "Although this brings up another matter.

"Private is a military rank, and one that does not exist in the vast majority of police forces. Sargent does however, and commands a fairly sizable unit."

"It is the belief of the Dominion that it would be best if your last five clauses better conformed to typical resolution styles, as doing so improves its chances of being passed. Placing the verbs in the middle of the clause is somewhat irregular, and the absence of commas is troubling to this Mouth. If you do not mind, Ambassador, it is the proposition of the Dominion that the last five clauses be written as the following:

Directs the WASCD to establish and maintain a series of holding cells, to be expanded as needs dictate, on WA property to hold offenders as needed. All trials resulting from WACSD arrests are the responsibility of the nation of origin of the injured party, or of the accused if no injured party exists. Custody must be transferred as soon as charges have been filed,

Orders the WASCD to station units of appropriate size at all WA properties away from the main campus, to enforce WA law there as well,

Requires all WACSD members ranking Sergeant or above to be appropriately trained in unarmed combat,

Declares that further regulations, such as age, height, and strength requirements, are to be appropriately set by either the WACSD or the WAOBM, and

Further establishes the WACSD Internal Affairs Division (WACSDIAD)is further establishedto enforce WA law within both the WACSD and itself.

"Although..." the Mouth says slowly, sounding as though it's thinking through the process. "It is possible that the naturally upright and honest nature of most dwarfs would nullify the necessity of and Internal Affairs division... though that is a point of some disagreement."

"I am willing to accept most of these suggestions, with some small tweaks of my own. Most notably to the grammar in the final clause."

The Mouth sets its copy of the draft down and relaxes back in its seat. "It is the conclusion of the Dominion that this is a subject of some promise and is rather interesting. Tragically, it would be illegal to pass until GAR#2 is repealed, though there does exist some interest in doing so in order to replace it with improved legislation. Should you communicate with those authors who are writing such replacements, you could perhaps ensure that any potential future prohibitions on World Assembly police activity include an exception for policing activities upon the World Assembly's own property.

"While it is not the will of the Dominion to support this proposal at this time or in this form, it does believe that it exhibits great potential. The Dominion shall monitor this closely should GAR#2 be repealed."

"I'm glad to have your tentative support."

OOC: Yes, this is actually intended to expand on that line.

The Hand suddenly shoves a paper copy of another resolution into the Mouth's line of sight, and with a start it pauses to read it. "Hm. Ah!" It nods in the Hand's direction and says, "It is the understanding of the Dominion that there may be some concern that the security established by GAR#8 would nullify the necessity of this proposal. However, this proposal clearly delves into policing activities, something GAR#8's security cannot possibly have been doing, as that would violate GAR#2. It is therefore the interpretation of the Dominion that the WASCD would serve a different purpose than GAR#8's security and not be duplication. If there are any who dispute such an interpretation, though, the Dominion is not unwilling to hear opposition arguments for a different interpretation."

EDIT:

"The Dominion should clarify that its reference to efforts to repeal GAR#2 is not meant to allude to the Repeal draft presented by Ambassador Santos of Sciongrad. It is the understanding of the Dominion that such is more of a protest against recent changes in the rules of legislation. There exist other, more serious efforts to repeal GAR#2.

After some computer work, Tislam distributes a fourth draft.

[Bananaistan]

It's still a committee only!

[Liagolas]

It's still a committee only!

"Hrm." The Mouth makes a noise that seems almost like a frown. "It is the regret of the Dominion that it failed to notice this. However, the Dominion may have a solution. It is the recommendation of the Dominion that the following clause be included in the proposal, perhaps at the end."

Mandates that member nations require their World Assembly representation to cooperate with WACSD officers

"This way, member states still receive a mandate."

"Private is a military rank, and one that does not exist in the vast majority of police forces. Sargent does however, and commands a fairly sizable unit."

"Ah. However, why should only commanders be trained in unarmed combat? Why not units under command? Most Fists of the Dominion are trained in unarmed combat in addition to armed combat; the Dominion does not see why unarmed combat should be some privileged skill."

OOC: Also, it would be a good idea to include a note at the top of the OP that you know this proposal contradicts GA#2, but that you are drafting it in anticipation of the possibility that GA#2 may be repealed.

[Imperium Anglorum]

"Private is a military rank, and one that does not exist in the vast majority of police forces. Sargent does however, and commands a fairly sizable unit."

Sergeant.