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[DRAFT] Repeal GA #122 Read The Resolution Act

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[DRAFT] Repeal GA #122 Read The Resolution Act

Postby Percussionland » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:06 am

RECOGNIZING the good intentions of GA #122.

APPLAUDING these efforts at furthering democracy.

HOWEVER NOTING that these efforts have miserably failed.

NOTING that there is no way to enforce this resoulution, or stop nations from mindlessly voting with the majority should they so choose.

NOTING that there isn't even a way to determine who is in violation of this resolution.

FURTHER NOTING that even for nations who do obey this resolution, their World Assembly ammbassador could have an intern on his first day read the resolution, and have it be legal.

NOTING that there is no requirement for the ambassador who is actually in charge of how a nation votes to read the resolution he is voting on.

BELIEVING that If a resolution cannot be enforced, has massive loopholes, and essentially does nothing, it is a waste of the World Assembly's valuable time in trying to enforce it, and must be repealed.

STATING TO THE WORLD ASSEMBLY that we tried, and like all failed experiments, when you know it won't work, it is a waste of time to keep trying.

HEREBY REPEALS GA #122 Read The Resolution Act.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:15 am

Under no circumstances. Enforceability or no, #122 is one of the best resolutions this august and terrible Assembly has ever passed, and we will not sit back while its good name is dragged through the mud by a delegation that thinks a committee change is sufficient to fix an unsalvageably D.O.A. resolution's dire and godawful problems.

Just because we're all in the gutter doesn't mean none of us are looking at the stars.

Hell no and bollocks to this.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:21 am

"No, this resolution is a favorite, as it doesn't take itself entirely seriously. For the love of the rapidly diminishing humor of the WA, OPPOSED."

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:29 am

"We're strongly in favour of a repeal of this piece of shit, but we're undecided about this repeal. On the one hand, such a terribly written repeal would serve as a sort of appropriate rejoinder; on the other hand, we don't want to risk a repeal getting to quorum and failing at vote.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:48 am

Link to the target resolution, for convenience's sake.
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:02 am

You misspelled "resolution" in your "noting" line. I love the irony.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:35 am

The Dourian Embassy wrote:You misspelled "resolution" in your "noting" line. I love the irony.

OOC: Not to mention misspellings of "to enforce," "know" and "won't" in other clauses.

It is essentially metagaming to assert that the enforcement of a WA mandate has failed or is impossible. Gameside, sure, you can argue that players are largely still voting on resolutions without reading them, but statistically there is no way to prove that either, and for all in-universe intents and purposes, there is no reason to assume that the Compliance Ministry cannot enforce any mandate that WA supplies for them. Whatever one's concept of compliance in the WA may be.

Besides, the resolution only mandates that someone in a nation's WA ministry read the resolution. It says nothing whatsoever about whether that nation's government, foreign ministry, or even WA ambassador must listen to anything this reader may have to say about it (and only recommends that ministries do such). An ambassador can simply shove a resolution's text at a low-level aid and say, "Read this," even after having already voted on it based purely on the title. Perhaps that is a better argument to use?
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:38 am

The Federal Republic remains steadfastly in favor of Read the Resolution Act and its efforts at promoting literacy among the WA diplomatic corps, and as such, will continue to oppose any repeal of said resolution. ~Jack Riley, Secretary of State
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Postby Percussionland » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:43 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Under no circumstances. Enforceability or no, #122 is one of the best resolutions this august and terrible Assembly has ever passed, and we will not sit back while its good name is dragged through the mud by a delegation that thinks a committee change is sufficient to fix an unsalvageably D.O.A. resolution's dire and godawful problems.

Just because we're all in the gutter doesn't mean none of us are looking at the stars.

Hell no and bollocks to this.

I am going to do more to improve that proposal other than a committee change, and I have recieved support for the "DOA resolution."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:53 am

Percussionland wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Under no circumstances. Enforceability or no, #122 is one of the best resolutions this august and terrible Assembly has ever passed, and we will not sit back while its good name is dragged through the mud by a delegation that thinks a committee change is sufficient to fix an unsalvageably D.O.A. resolution's dire and godawful problems.

Just because we're all in the gutter doesn't mean none of us are looking at the stars.

Hell no and bollocks to this.

I am going to do more to improve that proposal other than a committee change, and I have recieved support for the "DOA resolution."

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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:31 am

OOC: Yesterday, n a clear moment of irony, I was explaining to my father the propositions that were on his absentee ballot and one of them was actually about allowing legislators to read bills in electronic form instead of paper.

The proposed amendment to section 14 of Article 3 of the State Constitution would allow electronic distribution of a state legislative bill to satisfy the constitutional requirement that a bill be printed and on the desks of state legislators at least three days before the Legislature votes on it. It would establish the following requirements for electronic distribution: first, legislators must be able to review the electronically-sent bill at their desks; second, legislators must be able to print the bill if they choose; and third, the bill cannot be changed electronically without leaving a record of the changes. Shall the proposed amendment be approved?


OOC: Let us remember that repealing this resolution would have a minor effect of harming democracy in all of the nations in the WA.
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Postby Percussionland » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:26 pm

While allowing a better written proposal on the same topic to be written that will improve democracy from where it is now in WA member states.
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Postby Three Weasels » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:54 pm

Ambassador, you and your delegation are clearly the last ones who should be repealing "Read The Resolution Act"m given the lack of understanding surrounded resolution #229: [url]Access to Courts[/url]. We find that GAR#122 is very relevant for your needs and shouldn't be repealed.
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Postby Percussionland » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:28 am

That is a discussion for another thread, please stay on topic, and I don't need you to tell me what is more relevant for my needs, I can do that myself. Not having a pointless and completely unenforceable resolution in effect would be more relevant for my nations needs, ambassador.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:04 am

Percussionland wrote:That is a discussion for another thread, please stay on topic, and I don't need you to tell me what is more relevant for my needs, I can do that myself. Not having a pointless and completely unenforceable resolution in effect would be more relevant for my nations needs, ambassador.

"It's perfectly valid, ambassador. Had you bothered to obey this one, you wouldn't have embarked on a terribly repeal of Access to Courts, wherein your misunderstanding lost you any little credibility you may have had among your ambassadorial peers. Though unenforceable, at least us veterans can point to it as an example of what we have to do to get through to those ambassadors so stubborn that they refuse to accept good advice when proffered. Repealing this just sends the encouraging message that the GA is accepting of delegations, not unlike yours, who don't bother to read a resolution and make an effort at understanding it before trying to repeal it. I'd rather have the symbolic resolution in place....

"I really wish that the references to your other endeavors weren't valid, but based on the resolution you're ironically trying to repeal, this really is somewhat relevant."

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:41 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:Had you bothered to obey this one

"It doesn't require that ambassadors read resolutions at vote, and it doesn't deal at all with what happens after the vote, such as when reviewing past legislation for repeal targets. That's the point: this resolution is utterly worthless."

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Postby Vasputia » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:06 pm

Percussionland wrote:RECOGNIZING the good intentions of GA #122.

APPLAUDING these efforts at furthering democracy.

HOWEVER NOTING that these efforts have miserably failed.

NOTING that there is no way to enforce this resoulution, or stop nations from mindlessly voting with the majority should they so choose.

NOTING that there isn't even a way to determine who is in violation of this resolution.

FURTHER NOTING that even for nations who do obey this resolution, their World Assembly ammbassador could have an intern on his first day read the resolution, and have it be legal.

BELIEVING that If a resolution cannot be enforced, has massive loopholes, and essentially does nothing, it is a waste of the World Assembly's valuable time in trying to enforce it, and must be repealed.

STATING TO THE WORLD ASSEMBLY that we tried, and like all failed experiments, when you know it won't work, it is a waste of time to keep trying.

HEREBY REPEALS GA #122 Read The Resolution Act.

If it is a major waste of time, isn't taking the time to repeal it an even bigger waste of time?

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Postby Percussionland » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:22 am

Repealing this is to stop trying to enforce and unenforceable and generaly useless resolution from wasting our time.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:45 am

Percussionland wrote:While allowing a better written proposal on the same topic to be written that will improve democracy from where it is now in WA member states.

Wait. You're doing this so you can write another proposal about reading the resolution?!? Whatever point the WA was trying to make with RTRA has already been proved...what what be the purpose of another one?

And did you read my response to your argument at all?
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Postby Percussionland » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:55 am

A better proposal would mandate the delegate in charge of voting on behalf of the nation read the resolution, not just some lowly intern. As it is, this resolution is unenforceable, useless, and a waste of time.
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Postby Percussionland » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:58 am

And yes, I took your argument into account.
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Postby Louisistan » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:04 am

Percussionland wrote:A better proposal would mandate the delegate in charge of voting on behalf of the nation read the resolution, not just some lowly intern. As it is, this resolution is unenforceable, useless, and a waste of time.

OOC: Ever heard of a little thing of "don't force RP on others"? Pretty sure it's a GA rule.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:05 am

How is requiring the ambassador to read "forcing RP"?
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:12 am

Louisistan wrote:
Percussionland wrote:A better proposal would mandate the delegate in charge of voting on behalf of the nation read the resolution, not just some lowly intern. As it is, this resolution is unenforceable, useless, and a waste of time.

OOC: Ever heard of a little thing of "don't force RP on others"? Pretty sure it's a GA rule.

Ugh, yeah, it is, and the worst one.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:12 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:How is requiring the ambassador to read "forcing RP"?

OOC: how many ambassadors do you know that, as currently roleplayed, seem like they can read? :P

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