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Chester Pearson
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[DEFEATED] Nuclear Arms Protocol

Postby Chester Pearson » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:13 pm

The World Assembly,

UNDERSTANDING that nuclear weapons are an integral part of some nations deterrence strategy,

ALSO REALIZING the potential threat posed to civilians caught in the blast effects of nuclear detonations,

DEEPLY ALARMED that international law permits civilians to be targeted by nuclear weapons,

CONFIRMING the right of member nations to possess and use nuclear weapons in warfare,

THUS RESOLVING to enact a sensible policy that mitigates the civilian casualties resulting from a nuclear exchange between hostile nations,

The General Assembly hereby:

  1. For the purposes of this accord defines a nuclear weapon as a weapon fueled by nuclear reactions,

  2. Demands member nations take all necessary precautions to ensure they do not intentionally target civilian populations with nuclear weapons unless:

    1. A hostile nation places targets of critical strategic value within major civilian population centers or;

    2. A hostile nation tries to intentionally shield key military assets with civilian populations.
  3. Permits the usage of nuclear weapons in a reciprocal role should another hostile nation target their civilian populations in defiance of this accord,

  4. Clarifies that nothing in this resolution shall be interpreted as affecting the right of member nations to utilize nuclear weapons against military targets as part of their defense strategy.


Seconds ago: The UFoC Ambassador of Chester Pearson submitted a proposal to the General Assembly Global Disarmament Board entitled "Nuclear Arms Protocol".



*Chester walks up to the Secretariats desk, and hands the proposal to the sitting member. He then lights his cigarette, and walks out of the chamber. At almost the same moment, delegations e-mail, pagers, carrier pigeons, or whatever form of communication they use, and that Chester has access to go off sending a copy of the proposal to them. At the same time The World Assembly flag that flew so proudly above the embassy of the United Federation of Canada is lowered, and lit on fire. All World Assembly personnel present in the embassy are immediately given 24 hours to remove themselves from Federation property or be shot on site*

"To the esteemed Delegates of the World Assembly,

This will be the last proposal submitted by me for an indefinite period of time. Given the fact that I have lost all faith in the Secretariat of this body, I have requested, and been granted by Prime Minister Layston the request to be recalled as Ambassador. Given recent events I do not believe I can effectively represent The Federation to this assembly, as I do not trust that the Secretariat will not take the liberty of knifing me in the back again. As of this moment the Federation will no longer be represented in this chamber. The Federation will continue to follow its mandate of following current World Assembly law, and if this proposal passes, will also enshrine it within our laws. All further laws passed by this body are now subject to the whims of the Prime Minister of the Federation Council, and are likely to be ignored until the Federation is confident that it can rejoin the assembly without fear of unwarranted persecution. We regret that we will no longer be partaking in debates aimed to improve the international community as a whole (please note we only regret this, and are not actually apologizing) .

I will still be present within Headquarters acting as the representative of The North American Union as Delegate of that region, and welcome visitors who may want to come and visit me and request advice on legislation they are drafting (i.e telegram me), but I will not present myself in the chamber to debate that proposal with you.

To my esteemed Delegates and friends, it has been quite a ride hasn't it? I have cherished all my moments working with you, wish you all the best in your future endeavors...."


Warmest regards,

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Postby Defwa » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:29 pm

Having received the message, Angela runs out of the nearby, otherwise empty, North Pacific auditorium in time to catch Chester near the door.

"You thick skulled, thin skinned little man. Couldn't wait one more week to do this."
She hikes up her skirt and gets on both knees.

"I was hoping to save this until after voting on my proposals. Would have been a lot more romantic, I think, to dedicate the win to you," she stammers, "I want you to be my second husband."
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Postby Hakio » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:34 pm

"Is it possible to detonate nukes without hitting civilians? What about the radiation and the fallout? It seems to make sense to utilize nuclear warheads to neutralize major war manufacturing cities that usually are inhabited by civilians. It seems like this resolution is just a backdoor way to outlaw the usage of nukes all together for combat." Hedishi leans closer, "And if that's what your doing, Chester, I like your style."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:26 pm

Defwa wrote:Having received the message, Angela runs out of the nearby, otherwise empty, North Pacific auditorium in time to catch Chester near the door.

"You thick skulled, thin skinned little man. Couldn't wait one more week to do this."
She hikes up her skirt and gets on both knees.

"I was hoping to save this until after voting on my proposals. Would have been a lot more romantic, I think, to dedicate the win to you," she stammers, "I want you to be my second husband."


Bell's jaw dropped at the scene unfolding before him. It dropped so hard, a definite poping noise could be heard, and even the constant nibblings of Chuckie the Goat on his suit passed unnoticed. He shoved a finger into his ear in a desperate bid to clear out any offending wax, an effort with results not forthcoming.
"Did...did I just have a seizure? Medic! Help! Somebody call a medic, somebody here must be ill!"

OOC: :p but seriously, CP, I hope you return to us sooner then later. You've been one of my favorite parts of these forums since I returned from my own hiatus!

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Postby Ainocra » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:50 pm

Fleet Marshal Enta's one good eye twinkles with mirth "You don't find one like that often enough Chester, I'd suggest you take her up on the offer., luck to ya both."
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Postby Applebania » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:30 pm

Claire was on her way out of WAHQ when he overheard the discussions.

"He leaves just when I get fired? Spooky..."

And then she leaves, blissfully unaware that Applebania was taken over by Fishmongers in a brutal coup d'etat.
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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:17 am

And were voting.....

Angela if this passes we can have our wedding right in the middle of the chamber. Perhaps Mousey will preside over it?
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Postby Festive Old Folks » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:37 am

2. Demands member nations take all necessary precautions to ensure they do not intentionally target civilian populations with nuclear weapons unless:

A hostile nation places targets of critical strategic value within major civilian population centers


Let's not forget that a primary component of nuclear strategy is the decimation of civilian populations. In essence, nuclear armed states hold others to ransom on the predication that they will drop a nuclear device on a major civilian centre not necessarily connected to the military or the defence industry. It is disturbingly effective at eradicating political and ideological opposition, not just taking out military targets.

In this regard, a nation might argue civilian populations are targets of critical strategic value, and interpret this clause of the resolution in such a way that they do, in fact, believe themselves justified in deliberately targeting civilians.

Otherwise, I applaud the intention of the resolution.

Furthermore, I love weddings! Drinks all around!
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Postby Leetmerican Mission » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:41 am

So under this resolution, it would be ok for a nation to target another nation's civilian population with nuclear weapons as long as there is a key military asset nearby?

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Postby Old Hope » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:21 am

Leetmerican Mission wrote:So under this resolution, it would be ok for a nation to target another nation's civilian population with nuclear weapons as long as there is a key military asset nearby?

A hostile nation. But under this resolution, yes. There might be other resolutions forbidding attacks against other nations in certain circumstances you need to repeal first before you can do that.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:39 am

I'm glad this was restored to the floor, Mr. Pearson. You've certainly been working on it long enough. The sort of mind that would vote nay... Steph makes an unpleasant face and shudders slightly. Is it not enough to have nuclear war strategy without simultaneously incorporating a nuclear terrorism strategy into it? Christ. Anyway, best of luck with the voting.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:52 am

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While we would be the last to ruin the sacred and solemn mood caused by the occasion of the estimated colleague announcement of his retirement from the General Assembly, the noble presentations, the wonderful presentation being displayed on the chamber's Jumbotron, the official retirement of his number, and of course the ceremonial dumping of the nearly frozen orange Gatorade upon the ambassador, there is no way in hell I'm going to vote for this piece of trash.

Dealing with weapons of Mass Destruction reminds me of a different kind of destruction, minus the "M" of course, and so, in the spirit of Canada I will offer up the following tribute and quote from the great Terrance and Philip!

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:10 am

Already this is failing by more than 200 votes? Oh wait, let me just check the-- eyup:

Votes Against: 787: HMS Unicorn (489), Soviet Sovereignty (25), Sanguinius the Angel (11), -Sarah Jane Smith- (8), Nerotysia (7), Vertmont (6), Lygonia (6), Three Weasels (6), Liberated Global Overstate (5), The Templar High Council (5), ...

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Guess it's time to mosey on down to TNP and grovel, Chester. Do you want some wax to protect your lips for when HMS forces you to kiss his ass?
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:26 am

Hakio wrote:"Is it possible to detonate nukes without hitting civilians? What about the radiation and the fallout? It seems to make sense to utilize nuclear warheads to neutralize major war manufacturing cities that usually are inhabited by civilians. It seems like this resolution is just a backdoor way to outlaw the usage of nukes all together for combat." Hedishi leans closer, "And if that's what your doing, Chester, I like your style."


If this is the sly intent, then I SUPPORT this move wholeheartedly. At the moment, and until I know more, it seems to accommodating to nuclear weapon use.
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Postby Spitllamaland » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:56 am

If civilians die from being nuked, they absolutely, 100%, deserve it. People just have to deal with reality.

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Postby Socialist Republic of Stoa » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:01 pm

The Socialist Republic of Stoa will be voting against this resolution. While we applaud your attempt to limit civilian causalities, on principle, I cannot and will not support a resolution that specifies in writing that the use, at all, of nuclear arms is correct. The line "CONFIRMING the right of member nations to possess and use nuclear weapons in warfare" is particularly problematic, as our republic is of the opinion that the possession and use of nuclear weapons in any circumstance is immoral and unnecessary. We continue to advocate for full nuclear disarmament for all WA members. Thank you.

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Postby Provaskola » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:02 pm

Spitllamaland wrote:If civilians die from being nuked, they absolutely, 100%, deserve it. People just have to deal with reality.


Why would civillians derserve to die from being nuked ?

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Postby Tsarist Chernigov » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:03 pm

I am completely for this,I will vote for it.
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Postby Arstotzkas » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:03 pm

We applaud the idea but sometimes nuclear weapons are important for defense against others who would destroy us. We will vote against.
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Postby Tsarist Chernigov » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:04 pm

Provaskola wrote:
Spitllamaland wrote:If civilians die from being nuked, they absolutely, 100%, deserve it. People just have to deal with reality.


Why would civillians derserve to die from being nuked ?

Because it is a Weapon of mass destruction,what do you expect?
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Postby Spitllamaland » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:07 pm

Tsarist Chernigov wrote:
Provaskola wrote:
Why would civillians derserve to die from being nuked ?

Because it is a Weapon of mass destruction,what do you expect?



Right on Tsarist Chernigov, right on. :clap:

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Postby Defwa » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:07 pm

Arstotzkas wrote:We applaud the idea but sometimes nuclear weapons are important for defense against others who would destroy us. We will vote against.

This will not impede your ability to defend yourself. Only your ability to enjoy genocide without provocation.

Please indicate what passages you believe will impede your defense strategy so that your concerns may be addressed
Spitllamaland wrote:
Tsarist Chernigov wrote:Because it is a Weapon of mass destruction,what do you expect?



Right on Tsarist Chernigov, right on. :clap:

Those two statements dont actually make sense. Still haven't explained how civilians uninvolved in hostilities deserve to be vaporized.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:15 pm

Provaskola wrote:
Spitllamaland wrote:If civilians die from being nuked, they absolutely, 100%, deserve it. People just have to deal with reality.


Why would civillians derserve to die from being nuked ?

"The only reasonable justification I believe anybody can muster is that, seeing as the use of atomic weaponry is often an absolutely last ditch effort of survival akin to aggressive amputation, the necessity to inflict enough damage to ensure the surviving population is not the target of further agression is worth far more to a nation then any number of foreign citizens' lives.

"Unfortunately, that is also the C.D.S.P.'s position on the matter. Whether this bill infringes on that ability or not is not something I'm fully aware of, but in a very unusual happenstance, my homeland has elected to recognize my existence and direct my vote, instead of allowing me a wider latitude. The C.D.S.P. is against this measure, though I, personally, am not. You get 'em, Chester!"

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Postby Chester Pearson » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:28 pm

To anyone voting against this, you do realize far harsher restrictions than these were in effect for most of the history of the WA correct? Utilizing nuclear weapons against civilian populations only became legal as an unintended (or so I fucking hope) side effect of Mousebumples repealing the International Criminal Court....

I urge you to to reconsider, unless you find a victory in snuffing out millions of innocent lives?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:41 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:I urge you to to reconsider, unless you find a victory in snuffing out millions of innocent lives?

"You'll have to take that up with the C.D.S.P. Ministers of Defense and Foreign Affairs. Its out of my hands, but I'd be willing to bet Admiral Riverra will answer that with a conditional "yes"..."

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