[QUICK DRAFT to submit][+] Right to Religion

[Elke and Elba]

APPLAUDING previous efforts to seek equality for people of different religion(s), however,

NOTING that this World Assembly has not yet ascertained the right of people to believe in religion(s) or their right to worship,

The World Assembly,

MANDATES all member states to acknowledge their inhabitants' right to religion, and;

FURTHER MANDATES all member states to acknowledge their inhabitants' right to worship so long it does not infringe on the rights of others,

PERMITS member states to implement policies which devolves greater freedom to its inhabitants, and;

CLARIFIES that this resolution does not infringe under member states' rights to do so.

APPLAUDING previous efforts to seek equality for people of different religion(s), however,

NOTING that this World Assembly has not yet ascertained the right of people to believe in religion(s) or their right to worship,

The World Assembly,

MANDATES all member states to acknowledge their inhabitants' right to religion, and;

FURTHER MANDATES all member states to acknowledge their inhabitants' right to worship so long it does not infringe on the rights of others,

PROHIBITS member states from banning religion or the practice of religion in their area of jurisdiction,

PERMITS member states to implement policies which devolves greater freedom to its inhabitants, and;

CLARIFIES that this resolution does not infringe under member states' rights to do so.

The further mandate clause ensures you don't have people going around burning the houses of others and claiming "it's a worship practice".

As for CoCR, it only ensures that a certain group of people isn't targeted. However, it does not ensure the right to religion (ie they can ban religion, and still is following & adhering to CoCR.)

[The Dark Star Republic]

"I definitely agree this should be a 'quick draft'. After all, this isn't a complex subject with any need for any sort of nuance or subtlety."

~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer

[Elke and Elba]

"I definitely agree this should be a 'quick draft'. After all, this isn't a complex subject with any need for any sort of nuance or subtlety."

~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer

It is wonderous that Inky has nothing particularly hurting to say about this draft?

OOC: I'm tired of waiting for a response for the War Conduct Project, so I must as well go and find areas where it isn't covered, and just need a simple resolution to plug the gap. I realised that everyone have to have a race, sex or whatsoever but religion is an optional, opt-in, not really inborn thing.

[Elke and Elba]

Anyway, aiming for submission in 24h. This doesn't really need nuance, as Inky has rightly pointed out.

[The Dark Star Republic]

The Ambassador frowns, and checks the readings on a device on his desk.

"Anyway, why don't you start by considering what this is actually about: to hold religious beliefs, to engage in religious practices, or to be a member of an organized religion? In all three cases, I wonder whether some kind of definition is needed. The most obvious way to discriminate against a religion is to simply declare that it is not a religion at all."

~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer

[Draica]

Ambassador Tung puts his head down before rising to speak to this.

"While freedom of Religion is in Draica's constitution, there are cults who praise the sun gods and abduct and kill children in Draica. Our Government has been recently blasting bullets into their bodies. Draica refuses to accept them or their death cult. Opposed."

[Hayabusan WA Mission]

Ambassador Tung puts his head down before rising to speak to this.

"While freedom of Religion is in Draica's constitution, there are cults who praise the sun gods and abduct and kill children in Draica. Our Government has been recently blasting bullets into their bodies. Draica refuses to accept them or their death cult. Opposed."

"Seconded. We have cults like these as well, and it really is a nuisance to have them around and scaring our society, and a terrible crime to have them take children and sacrifice innocent, random people. These people need to be eliminated, and this act would enable cults to practice their twisted rituals and terrorize the people, but this time, they would be protected by the law. I am opposed to this resolution."

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"While freedom of Religion is in Draica's constitution, there are cults who praise the sun gods and abduct and kill children in Draica. Our Government has been recently blasting bullets into their bodies. Draica refuses to accept them or their death cult. Opposed."

Umm, Ambassador Tung... did you read the part that says:

FURTHER MANDATES all member states to acknowledge their inhabitants' right to worship so long it does not infringe on the rights of others

?

Or are we to take it that you do not acknowledge a right of children to not be abducted and killed?

[Starkmoor]

Opposed. Marx himself contended that religion is the opiate of the masses and we adhere to this 100%. The People's Republic officially discourages religion.

Despite our ongoing efforts, we still have dangerous cults operating in underdeveloped parts of the country who are causing disorder and scaring the populace. Some of them even recruit young children and commit group suicides, all technically voluntary activities that the People's Republic would be prohibited from stopping if this resolution should pass.

[ALMF]

*snip*

FURTHER MANDATES all member states to acknowledge their inhabitants' right to worship so long it does not infringe on the rights of others,

PROHIBITS member states from banning religion or the practice of religion in their area of jurisdiction,

*snip

Thees two contradict each-other. The epistemology "faith" and supernatural existential claims INHERENTLY infringe on the rights of nonbelievers and followers of other sects for that matter.

[ALMF]

Opposed. Marx himself contended that religion is the opiate of the masses and we adhere to this 100%. The People's Republic officially discourages religion.

Despite our ongoing efforts, we still have dangerous cults operating in underdeveloped parts of the country who are causing disorder and scaring the populace. Some of them even recruit young children and commit group suicides, all technically voluntary activities that the People's Republic would be prohibited from stopping if this resolution should pass.

Ironically enough, He didn't. Let me give you the quote in contexts.

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Thees two contradict each-other. The epistemology "faith" and supernatural existential claims INHERENTLY infringe on the rights of nonbelievers and followers of other sects for that matter.

In order to make that charge stick, Ambassador, you'd have to believe that freedom of speech INHERENTLY infringes on the right of anyone who disagrees with the speech in question! How can such an absurd notion lead to good governance?

[Antonomasia]

We have been directed by the Antonomasia Government to fully oppose this resolution by all available means. The Antonomasia people do not feel that people have a right to delusions.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

/snip/

I dunno who this wordy-ass fella is that you're all talking about, but here's what I say in response: the surest way to entice someone to investigate and embrace something interesting is to forbid it. Religion is like any other drug: prohibition is not only abhorrent, it doesn't even goddamn work. And its side effects are worse than the alleged disease it fails to cure.

[Sanctaria]

I do wonder why the Ambassador has such an obsession with quick submissions. What ever happened to resolution writing being a marathon not a sprint? Is there much point in the Ambassador even using this chamber anyone, one must ask oneself.

[ALMF]

Thees two contradict each-other. The epistemology "faith" and supernatural existential claims INHERENTLY infringe on the rights of nonbelievers and followers of other sects for that matter.

In order to make that charge stick, Ambassador, you'd have to believe that freedom of speech INHERENTLY infringes on the right of anyone who disagrees with the speech in question! How can such an absurd notion lead to good governance?

Not at all, we merely have a reasonableness stander on free speech. This stranded was implemented when a holy water inclusion in city water lead to 80% kill rate in the old capitile. This occurred 2 schisms, and 4 millennium, agoe but it still holds as a major presedent.

[Antonomasia]

I do wonder why the Ambassador has such an obsession with quick submissions. What ever happened to resolution writing being a marathon not a sprint? Is there much point in the Ambassador even using this chamber anyone, one must ask oneself.

I agree this Ambassador has a plethora of drafts currently in the works. It is perplexing how we can trust that the adequate time and energy will devoted to ensuring a sound resolution is drafted before presentation for quorum

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Not at all, we merely have a reasonableness stander on free speech. This stranded was implemented when a holy water inclusion in city water lead to 80% kill rate in the old capitile. This occurred 2 schisms, and 4 millennium, agoe but it still holds as a major presedent.

Oh yeah, because holding a belief in one's head is basically the same thing as committing mass murder by poisoning a municipal water supply.

Vin glances over to Ambassador Fungschlammer's desk. How 'bout it, Ambassador? Any reading yet?

[ALMF]

Not at all, we merely have a reasonableness stander on free speech. This stranded was implemented when a holy water inclusion in city water lead to 80% kill rate in the old capitile. This occurred 2 schisms, and 4 millennium, agoe but it still holds as a major presedent.

Oh yeah, because holding a belief in one's head is basically the same thing as committing mass murder by poisoning a municipal water supply.

Vin glances over to Ambassador Fungschlammer's desk. How 'bout it, Ambassador? Any reading yet?

To accept that faith is an acceptable basses for action is to risk the accidental mass poisoning of entire cities.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Not at all, we merely have a reasonableness stander on free speech. This stranded was implemented when a holy water inclusion in city water lead to 80% kill rate in the old capitile. This occurred 2 schisms, and 4 millennium, agoe but it still holds as a major presedent.

Oh yeah, because holding a belief in one's head is basically the same thing as committing mass murder by poisoning a municipal water supply.

Vin glances over to Ambassador Fungschlammer's desk. How 'bout it, Ambassador? Any reading yet?

"Woah!

"Ahem. I have to agree with the sentiment of Ambassador Carson. There is presently a queue of two resolutions, another looking like making quorum. There would be no point rushing this to vote anyway - even if it weren't for the fact it is obviously in need of substantial discussion."

~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer

[Kryozerkia]

Resolution #30: Freedom of Expression

[Sierra Lyricalia]

To accept that faith is an acceptable basses for action is to risk the accidental mass poisoning of entire cities.

But do you have thought police, or do you simply prohibit overt acts of murder and crime the way every nation does? To accept that faith is not an acceptable basis for action is to risk the intentional descent into a witch-hunting, Secular-Inquisition-run police state. It's not like you can force someone to stop believing something, barring massive involuntary psychiatric treatments; and if such treatments are commonly given to religious persons in your country, I have to sympathize more with your terrorists than with your government!

[Rotwood]

Jericho pours over the existing legislation "Sorry, but we have to oppose this. There is layers upon layers of existing legislation which would cover this already. FoE and CoCR are just two such examples."

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Resolution #30: Freedom of Expression

I believe there is already language in this proposal that is not duplicative of GAR #30: that resolution simply makes it illegal for member nations to stifle the expression of religious views. In other words, it's a protection of free speech, with particular citations of various subjects of protected speech, which must include descriptions of religious belief. Meanwhile, GAR #35 (CoCR) only prohibits discrimination on the basis of religion; it doesn't confer a positive right to worship.

This resolution would require member nations to allow all those forms of actual worship (ceremonies, rites, etc. - actual religious practice) that do not harm others. I read this resolution as, for example, requiring the relaxation of anti-drug laws where consenting adult members of a given denomination would use an otherwise illegal drug as part of their sacred rites. Thus this goes beyond the protections established in GAR #30 and #35, and should be viewed as a resolution in its own right.

[Lemonacia]

Supported. While we discourage religion in Lemonacia, almost all of my citizens, including myself, actively pursue spirituality in some form, usually through meditation or creative works.

If someone wishes to explore their spirituality through religion, I would not stand in their way.

However, if they began to infringe the rights of others in any manner... steps would be taken. Unofficial steps. Taken in steel toe-capped boots.

One criticism, however; I'd like to see some mandates within your draft that give people the right to refuse religion.

We have many extremely pious member states, and while I certainly would not say this is a bad thing, I would say that forcing someone to follow a religion is a bad thing.

Perhaps name this "Religious Rights" instead and cover things more broadly?