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OOC: Incest..? What resolution legalizes incest?
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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:12 am

The Sexual Privacy Act.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:30 am

Bananaistan wrote:The Sexual Privacy Act.


Which is to say, GAR #16. Note that it's not an explicit (or perhaps even intentional? I haven't looked at the relevant drafting debate) legalization; rather consensual adult incest is merely one of the items that cannot be prohibited by state action as it does not involve a violation of the permitted state restrictions on sex (viz. age of consent and/or sobriety/impairment/coercion laws).
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Postby Linux and the X » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:08 pm

Eireann Fae wrote:BELIEVING that simply preaching abstinence is not sufficient for ensuring the sexual health of individuals;

This wording should be stronger. We suggest "AWARE that simply preaching abstinence is entirely insufficient to ensure the sexual health of individuals" (most importantly, changing 'believing' to 'aware' (or another verb elevating the fact beyond mere 'belief').

Committee on Sexual Education (CSE)

We're fine with a serious or funny name. However, we feel that 'SECKS' is rather unwieldy; we would suggest (should you return to using a funny name) calling it the Sexual Education eXchange. (This name would also allow those with a stick up their arse to refer to it as the 'SEE'.)

REQUIRES Member Nations to allow individuals that have reached the threshold of majority to have unrestricted access to the CSE and their research,

Unfortunately, we cannot support this proposal with this restriction included.

CLARIFIES that Member Nations may set their own curriculum, or none at all, if they so choose

While we understand the need to accommodate a wide variety of educational systems (a full explanation of our own educational system is outside the scope of this proposal — we'll explain it privately to the curious — but it does not involve a set national curriculum), we are concerned that this may be used by certain member States to restrict access to effective sexual education.
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Postby Eireann Fae » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:43 am

(OOC: Sorry for the delay, but I'm literally having what I hope will turn out to be the worst week of my year. I really don't have time to do all this, but I'm just that dedicated. Also, the necessary changes and responses were piling up -_-)

Rowan smiles and addresses the chamber at large. "For those of you who have offered suggestions to our draft, support for our endeavour, or both, you have our most sincere gratitude. We realise that we still have a long way to go, and have no intention of submitting this proposal until our supporters feel that it is ready. Our previous effort went through over a dozen revisions before we submitted it, and we have no qualms about putting this one through a dozen more if that is what it takes to get some solid legislation on this subject passed into law."

"We have implemented most of the suggestions you have proposed, but not all of them. The changes to our draft - and the reasons behind them - can be seen under the notes for the Second Revision. Rather than recap all of that, I shall simply speak on what changes we have not made, and why. Ambassador Fungschlammer, you are correct in your reasoning for not mandating that Member Nations implement a particular curriculum. There are many nations that do not even utilise national education systems, and we would not care to force them to implement one to teach this subject alone. We have, however, added a clause seeking to prevent Member Nations from interfering with local, private instruction. It should be noted that the added clause has nothing to do with the committee, so we hope this helps stave off concerns regarding the legality of our proposal on that front."

"Ambassador Santos, we hope that the reason we just stated for keeping the recommends clause optional works for you. We feel that the combination of unrestricted access to the necessary data, personal learning initiatives, and simply recommending that Member Nations implement the constructed curriculum will be sufficient to ensure that each individual has the freedom and capacity to learn everything they can on the subject. As a last resort, we could mandate such education in Member Nations that do already have a national education system, but we would require a lot more comments like yours to seriously consider that option."

"It saddens us that you do not support our effort, Ambassador Norrland; particularly as you seem to be misunderstanding the mandate put before the committee in question. They are mandated to conduct their research '... within each Member Nation ...' - it was never our intention to have them attempt to formulate a one-size-fits-all curriculum, but to study sexual activity in each nation and come up with a curriculum for them individually. We hope the new clause in their list of duties helps clarify the matter for you, but feel free to suggest alternative wording if our intention is still not clear."

"As this is a particularly contentious subject, I will address Ambassador Friday's comment. We completely intend to leave abortion - and all other forms of termination of pregnancy - out of this proposal. We hope you do not mind individuals having access to information regarding contraceptives, though. We thank you for your tentative support."

The girl turns to her old Linuxian friend. "We understand your disdain for the restriction, and hope moving it back as we have to an age of sexual maturity may appease you somewhat. Unfortunately, we feel that having no restrictions at all would do us more harm than good in garnering support, and having the restriction as it is now may not do much harm at all in keeping the relevant individuals informed. While we personally see no need to keep sexually immature individuals from accessing the information in question, we understand that Linuxians, Fae, and Queleshi are part of an exceedingly small minority."

"Regarding the clarifies clause, it is our hope that the new mandates clause will alleviate some concerns about Member Nations restricting the free exchange of information on sexual activity. Please feel free to offer up any further suggestions or concerns." she casts a friendly gaze across the chamber, "That goes for everyone, of course."

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Postby Friday Freshman » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:47 am

Eireann Fae wrote:
"As this is a particularly contentious subject, I will address Ambassador Friday's comment. We completely intend to leave abortion - and all other forms of termination of pregnancy - out of this proposal. We hope you do not mind individuals having access to information regarding contraceptives, though. We thank you for your tentative support."



"I have nothing against contraceptives as long as we are not considering abortion a contraceptive. That was my problem with the last resolution. If that is not a problem then this delegation believes in your nations ability to do this well."
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Postby Elke and Elba » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:58 am

Friday Freshman wrote:
Eireann Fae wrote:
"As this is a particularly contentious subject, I will address Ambassador Friday's comment. We completely intend to leave abortion - and all other forms of termination of pregnancy - out of this proposal. We hope you do not mind individuals having access to information regarding contraceptives, though. We thank you for your tentative support."



"I have nothing against contraceptives as long as we are not considering abortion a contraceptive. That was my problem with the last resolution. If that is not a problem then this delegation believes in your nations ability to do this well."


"Ambassador Friday! When the hell is there abortion in this act?! Are you drunk, sir? Go back to the other chamber!"

Ambassador Norrland inhales and exhales a deep breath before continuing-

"Alex, now that's much better! EnE and its Dominions provisionally supports the resolution.

Now, finally a bill to deal with those fornicating rabbits in heat. Finally!
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Postby Friday Freshman » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:59 am

Elke and Elba wrote:
Friday Freshman wrote:
"I have nothing against contraceptives as long as we are not considering abortion a contraceptive. That was my problem with the last resolution. If that is not a problem then this delegation believes in your nations ability to do this well."


"Ambassador Friday! When the hell is there abortion in this act?! Are you drunk, sir? Go back to the other chamber!"

Ambassador Norrland inhales and exhales a deep breath before continuing-

"Alex, now that's much better! EnE and its Dominions provisionally supports the resolution.

Now, finally a bill to deal with those fornicating rabbits in heat. Finally!
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Postby Romaterra (Ancient) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:01 am

We oppose this Act because it's not the competention of the WA to teach individuals about sexual relationships.

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:24 am

Eireann Fae wrote:"We have implemented most of the suggestions you have proposed, but not all of them. The changes to our draft - and the reasons behind them - can be seen under the notes for the Second Revision. Rather than recap all of that, I shall simply speak on what changes we have not made, and why. Ambassador Fungschlammer, you are correct in your reasoning for not mandating that Member Nations implement a particular curriculum. There are many nations that do not even utilise national education systems, and we would not care to force them to implement one to teach this subject alone. We have, however, added a clause seeking to prevent Member Nations from interfering with local, private instruction. It should be noted that the added clause has nothing to do with the committee, so we hope this helps stave off concerns regarding the legality of our proposal on that front."


"I'm not suggesting the WA mandate 'a particular curriculum'. But as this stands this permits nations to not implement any curriculum at all! If the WA is going to promote the broadest possible interpretations of sexual freedom and bodily integrity, then it has a responsibility to ensure that everyone understands those rights and freedoms. I also find it perplexing that you're willing to meekly submit to the sovereigntist lobby on the issue of sex education, but not on the issue of sex-selective abortion; it's a bizarre set of priorities.

"The WA requires certain basic educational standards. The omission of sex education from those standards is a travesty - but one your proposal could easily correct."

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Postby De re publica populi Romani » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:13 pm

Braylandia wrote:We support your act. Being Liberal is the best :hug:


The republic completely agrees. Our government is in affirmation of this proposal.

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Postby ALMF » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:30 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Eireann Fae wrote:"We have implemented most of the suggestions you have proposed, but not all of them. The changes to our draft - and the reasons behind them - can be seen under the notes for the Second Revision. Rather than recap all of that, I shall simply speak on what changes we have not made, and why. Ambassador Fungschlammer, you are correct in your reasoning for not mandating that Member Nations implement a particular curriculum. There are many nations that do not even utilise national education systems, and we would not care to force them to implement one to teach this subject alone. We have, however, added a clause seeking to prevent Member Nations from interfering with local, private instruction. It should be noted that the added clause has nothing to do with the committee, so we hope this helps stave off concerns regarding the legality of our proposal on that front."


"I'm not suggesting the WA mandate 'a particular curriculum'. But as this stands this permits nations to not implement any curriculum at all! If the WA is going to promote the broadest possible interpretations of sexual freedom and bodily integrity, then it has a responsibility to ensure that everyone understands those rights and freedoms. I also find it perplexing that you're willing to meekly submit to the sovereigntist lobby on the issue of sex education, but not on the issue of sex-selective abortion; it's a bizarre set of priorities.

"The WA requires certain basic educational standards. The omission of sex education from those standards is a travesty - but one your proposal could easily correct."

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Postby Eireann Fae » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:31 pm

(OOC: As mentioned elsewhere, 'busy' doesn't begin to describe my week. Hopefully there won't be mandatory overtime tomorrow, and I'll have time to post a new draft. Mandatory education on the same level as that provided by Right to Basic Education will almost certainly be included; DSR et al have convinced me :-)

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The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I'm really not sure I buy the sovereigntist argument on this one. The WA has forced all countries to legalise incest and abortion, has several times tried to legalise prostitution, and has generally taken the most expansive possible view of sexual freedoms. I would argue the WA has clearly incurred a moral responsibility to promote sex education.


With all due respect to the ambassador from the Dark Star Republic, that is the most obnoxious example of blaming the victim that we have heard in this chamber in quite some time. The WA forces abominations like unrestricted abortion and incest upon member states, and then has the gall to suggest it should also mandate sex education because these nations are bereft of any sexual morality?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:54 pm

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I'm really not sure I buy the sovereigntist argument on this one. The WA has forced all countries to legalise incest and abortion, has several times tried to legalise prostitution, and has generally taken the most expansive possible view of sexual freedoms. I would argue the WA has clearly incurred a moral responsibility to promote sex education.


With all due respect to the ambassador from the Dark Star Republic, that is the most obnoxious example of blaming the victim that we have heard in this chamber in quite some time. The WA forces abominations like unrestricted abortion and incest upon member states, and then has the gall to suggest it should also mandate sex education because these nations are bereft of any sexual morality?


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The Eternal Kawaii wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I'm really not sure I buy the sovereigntist argument on this one. The WA has forced all countries to legalise incest and abortion, has several times tried to legalise prostitution, and has generally taken the most expansive possible view of sexual freedoms. I would argue the WA has clearly incurred a moral responsibility to promote sex education.


With all due respect to the ambassador from the Dark Star Republic, that is the most obnoxious example of blaming the victim that we have heard in this chamber in quite some time. The WA forces abominations like unrestricted abortion and incest upon member states, and then has the gall to suggest it should also mandate sex education because these nations are bereft of any sexual morality?


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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:42 am

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I'm really not sure I buy the sovereigntist argument on this one. The WA has forced all countries to legalise incest and abortion, has several times tried to legalise prostitution, and has generally taken the most expansive possible view of sexual freedoms. I would argue the WA has clearly incurred a moral responsibility to promote sex education.


With all due respect to the ambassador from the Dark Star Republic, that is the most obnoxious example of blaming the victim that we have heard in this chamber in quite some time. The WA forces abominations like unrestricted abortion and incest upon member states, and then has the gall to suggest it should also mandate sex education because these nations are bereft of any sexual morality?

"I think my position is simply one of resigned realism. I would happily see more national prerogative permitted in such matters - but it's always been the case that the WA has pursued an exceptionally broad interpretation of sexual freedom. A resolution on Sexual Freedom was one of the very first resolutions passed by the NSUN; a resolution on Sexual Freedom one of the first passed by the WA. With the exception of child sexual abuse, the WA has never acted to limit sexual freedom in any capacity.

"We would love to see all nuclear weapons gone from the world, but it's simply not going to happen, and so we believe policy regarding nuclear weapons should be realistic. The same is true in the area of sexual freedom: regardless of what ought, the WA undoubtedly will continue to enforce a highly libertarian set of sexual ethics on its members. We should respond accordingly."

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:51 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:I'm not suggesting the WA mandate 'a particular curriculum'. But as this stands this permits nations to not implement any curriculum at all!

Surely we have at least one nation amongst us -- whether inhabited by artifical intelligences, beings that reproduce asexually by budding, or whatever -- whose inhabitants simply don't have sex at all? What sort of 'sex education' curriculum would you suggest they should be required to implement?
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Postby Brilliant Equestria » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:00 am

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The Dark Star Republic wrote:I'm not suggesting the WA mandate 'a particular curriculum'. But as this stands this permits nations to not implement any curriculum at all!

Surely we have at least one nation amongst us -- whether inhabited by artifical intelligences, beings that reproduce asexually by budding, or whatever -- whose inhabitants simply don't have sex at all? What sort of 'sex education' curriculum would you suggest they should be required to implement?

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Brilliant Equestria wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Surely we have at least one nation amongst us -- whether inhabited by artifical intelligences, beings that reproduce asexually by budding, or whatever -- whose inhabitants simply don't have sex at all? What sort of 'sex education' curriculum would you suggest they should be required to implement?

One this Ambassador would be particularly interested in viewing?


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Postby Eireann Fae » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:50 am

"As per Ambassador Fungschlammer's advice, we have made national sex education initiatives mandatory. We would prefer specifying that it must be allowed on the same level of other subjects currently mandated by A Promotion of Basic Education, but would like some help in crafting such specificity in a manner that is both concise and avoids issues with House of Cards regulations. We are also not entirely satisfied with the structure of the last two clauses, but feel that combining them would be quite a wordy effort, to say the least. As ever, though, we are of course open to suggestions on the matter."

Rowan addresses the urrsish delegate. "The phrasing of our proposal ensures that no undue burden would befall such species. If their population does not 'sexually mature', they are never required to implement a curriculum. For the GIBE's part, they could simply mark an entry for that nation along the lines of 'No sexual activity among the populace' or similar."

"To those supporting our endeavour," Rowan continues, smiling at delegates from Braylandia, Valkhyne, Romani, and everyone else that has so far voiced support or suggestions, "you have our sincere gratitude, and we look forward to your show of support being reflected in votes for the final proposal."

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Postby Rotwood » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:39 pm

We are in agreement with Ambassador Fungschlammer here, and with what is already on the books this is long overdue. Thank you Ladies Alexandra and Rowan for finally bringing this subject to the for. You have our support.
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Postby Eireann Fae » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:48 am

"Thank you, Ambassador Reigns, for your support." Rowan casts a gaze over the assembled delegates. "It has come to our attention that adoption is never even mentioned in our proposal yet. While we seek the wording and placement to remedy this situation, does anybody have any further questions or comments?"

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