Omnibellum [P/MT|Open|Planning/OOC|ATTN ALL]

[Tiami]

Unfortunately, I think it's official mod policy not to help cirtain rps more than others.

Can you rephrase your statement? I am not quite sure I follow, but I'll assume I know what you're talking about.

If you mean my statement where I said 'special treatment,' then allow me to clarify. Threads are not usually stickied unless they are great guides or the RPOY event. Personally, I see no reason to have any Omnibellum thread stickied, especially given the lack of activity that is currently transpiring.

[The Red Star Union]

Or we could kick everything off all at once. Important global meeting, bomb goes off, accusations fly around, everyone declares war on eachother. Kickstarts the whole conflict.

[The Macabees]

I get where you're coming from and that's totally valid. But, dude, the sheer abundance of spelling and grammatical errors seriously undermined your point.

Aside from vague metaphors provided by United Gordonopia, I've seen no evidence posited that you're somehow going to find better organization in an RP that was not organized. It turns conventional writing, role playing, and, indeed, logic on their heads.

I was posting from my phone, no need to be a prick (and completely evade the point by pointing out some minor flaws that are irrelevant anyways). And, I don't understand what your point is.

Edit: My head-turning logic has gotten me some good, long-lasting RPs involving 20+ people before, so it must not be as head-turning as you make it out to be.

[The Macabees]

That said, is there a way to get mod help in steering the Omnibellum (in terms of stickying threads, ect?)

Alternatively, we can "sticky" the thread in our respective region's factbook.

[Holy Marsh]

Red Star: Marshites wouldn't have cause to assassinate your leader. And in any case until we get the larger scale cause of HM invading Aldar because Aldar is invading GD I won't be able to move my army out of HM. And until the Army is away, it'll be hard to imagine an invasion of HM being pulled off to any degree of success. I wanna make sure those who invade me have reasonable odds.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

So I'm pulling myself away for a minute to talk.

The entire war primarily hinges on Aldar invading. Most of us aggressors are dependent on something starting us up. Ralkovia, Parthia, and Scand, for example, go to war motivated by profit. We wouldn't be starting a random conflict with an organized alliance of semi-powerful nations for profit, as it'd be completely cost ineffective. The rewards wouldn't come close to the costs of a protracted fight. The equation changes, however, when there is a massive coalition and someone else is footing the bill.

Therefore, the only option is to be dragged into it. It's something that we wouldn't be able to ignore, like an ally getting invaded.

Perhaps it would be best to discuss a change in casus belli if Aldar doesn't return, or perhaps set up an event where all parties are dragged into it.

I would say something along the lines of either creating a huge NPC nation or having one of the larger nation have a civil war and power struggle. We could easily manage to create factions of self-interest that we'd support, a new dictator sympathetic to slavery nations, or a left-wing guerrilla group. Of course, we'd all be dragged in and our homelands could possibly come under attack in the struggle.

[Marquesan]

So I'm pulling myself away for a minute to talk.

The entire war primarily hinges on Aldar invading. Most of us aggressors are dependent on something starting us up. Ralkovia, Parthia, and Scand, for example, go to war motivated by profit. We wouldn't be starting a random conflict with an organized alliance of semi-powerful nations for profit, as it'd be completely cost ineffective. The rewards wouldn't come close to the costs of a protracted fight. The equation changes, however, when there is a massive coalition and someone else is footing the bill.

Therefore, the only option is to be dragged into it. It's something that we wouldn't be able to ignore, like an ally getting invaded.

Perhaps it would be best to discuss a change in casus belli if Aldar doesn't return, or perhaps set up an event where all parties are dragged into it.

I would say something along the lines of either creating a huge NPC nation or having one of the larger nation have a civil war and power struggle. We could easily manage to create factions of self-interest that we'd support, a new dictator sympathetic to slavery nations, or a left-wing guerrilla group. Of course, we'd all be dragged in and our homelands could possibly come under attack in the struggle.

Well, what if the "defensive" parties formed an alliance to invade an Einsatz nation?

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

So I'm pulling myself away for a minute to talk.

The entire war primarily hinges on Aldar invading. Most of us aggressors are dependent on something starting us up. Ralkovia, Parthia, and Scand, for example, go to war motivated by profit. We wouldn't be starting a random conflict with an organized alliance of semi-powerful nations for profit, as it'd be completely cost ineffective. The rewards wouldn't come close to the costs of a protracted fight. The equation changes, however, when there is a massive coalition and someone else is footing the bill.

Therefore, the only option is to be dragged into it. It's something that we wouldn't be able to ignore, like an ally getting invaded.

Perhaps it would be best to discuss a change in casus belli if Aldar doesn't return, or perhaps set up an event where all parties are dragged into it.

I would say something along the lines of either creating a huge NPC nation or having one of the larger nation have a civil war and power struggle. We could easily manage to create factions of self-interest that we'd support, a new dictator sympathetic to slavery nations, or a left-wing guerrilla group. Of course, we'd all be dragged in and our homelands could possibly come under attack in the struggle.

Well, what if the "defensive" parties formed an alliance to invade an Einsatz nation?

Possibly, but the Einsatz coalition is nothing more than a bunch of states whose interests temporarily align at the moment. I don't think any one of us will be jumping to defend Kraven from invasion. Invading Parth, Scand, or myself, would largely activate our networks to defend each other, but I don't see why anyone like Vak or Kraven would jump into defend.

[Marquesan]

Well, what if the "defensive" parties formed an alliance to invade an Einsatz nation?

Possibly, but the Einsatz coalition is nothing more than a bunch of states whose interests temporarily align at the moment. I don't think any one of us will be jumping to defend Kraven from invasion. Invading Parth, Scand, or myself, would largely activate our networks to defend each other, but I don't see why anyone like Vak or Kraven would jump into defend.

TGVH makes the most sense. His position on the Sondria map puts him in an area of high strategic importance and high vulnerability to assault from anti-Einsatz nations. He would make the most logical target for an assault and in so doing, it would give the rest of the coalition a good reason to run to his aid. My thought was that the Triad pact nations would simply launch a combined arms invasion of the Haven and Vak could invoke mutual defense with Einsatz.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Possibly, but the Einsatz coalition is nothing more than a bunch of states whose interests temporarily align at the moment. I don't think any one of us will be jumping to defend Kraven from invasion. Invading Parth, Scand, or myself, would largely activate our networks to defend each other, but I don't see why anyone like Vak or Kraven would jump into defend.

TGVH makes the most sense. His position on the Sondria map puts him in an area of high strategic importance and high vulnerability to assault from anti-Einsatz nations. He would make the most logical target for an assault and in so doing, it would give the rest of the coalition a good reason to run to his aid. My thought was that the Triad pact nations would simply launch a combined arms invasion of the Haven and Vak could invoke mutual defense with Einsatz.

Unless I have misinterpreted what the Einsatz coalition was, it's a loose non-aggression mutual benefit pact that was formed to work with Kraven's invasion. Knowing Kraven, he wouldn't run to anyone's aid, and would sooner invade Vak, before he'd sacrifice anyone for a war in which he gets nothing in return. For our part, the Triad Pact values only the Triad Pact.

[Athaea]

From what I understand, the RP has come to a standstill for lack of a catalyst. The majority of the 'aggressors' require a reason to become aggressive. The 'defenders' require an aggressor to defend against. The primary aggressors, Kraven and Aldar, have had situations occur IRL that take priority. Both are required for the main threads to get up and running; neither are available. Another aggressor is required to 'start the ball rolling' unless folks wish to wait on them. Personally, I have no issue waiting. Others have expressed different opinions.

An example for a Gothic aggressor to ignite the Gothic-GD conflicts(follow my logic, please):

Were a GD nation to be in a position of vulnerability, and a Gothic nation in position to take advantage, could that not set off the chain of events resulting in the inter-regional conflict?

If one Gothic nation appears to be gaining an advantage, and there is potential for its regional rivals to mitigate that advantage and possibly profit, would that not be sufficient for the Triad to become involved? If a GD nation is attacked, would that not invoke several alliances among GD participants? Thus, the ball begins to roll.

All it takes is two nations, and some initiative, if people feel that strongly about it.
The existing plans are not necessarily set in stone. I see no reason why they couldn't change, with cause.

[Athaea]

I suppose this now begs the question: do folks wish to wait?

[Holy Marsh]

I don't mind waiting. I'd much rather trade waiting now for consistency in the thread(s).

[Lamoni]

I don't mind waiting. I'd much rather trade waiting now for consistency in the thread(s).

I'd be much happier knowing that there is going to be a thread at all (and having to wait now for a good thread later), then rush into things, and have everything fall apart because of that.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

While the multiple RPs under Omnibellum have not yet been able to kick off yet due to the OPs being unavailable unfortunately, there are also many of us who have applied to join but have had no official response concerning our applications. We do hope this could be cleared soon because we are all very keen to participate in Omnibellum.

[Athaea]

I have already stated my position, but it bears repeating. I am inclined to wait.

In response to the concerns about Aldar's extended absence, and the resulting delay in application evaluation, I would suggest that the more established roleplayers involved in Omnibellum (Mac, Tiami, Lamoni, etc.) discuss and implement a solution. Possibly nominate a temporary evaluator, depending on the decision. Debate over IRC may be best regarding this topic, to avoid sidetracking the thread.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

As I can't imagine Kraven ICly jumping to my support, how about a Marshite invasion of Ralkovia? I might be wrong, but Kraven, Ralk, Parth and Scand are the most powerful Einsatz nations, and are already allies (might be wrong about Kraven.) The Haven and Yalos are their 'friends on the inside' as it were, although I am expecting to be drawn deeper. Finium is involved because I sent him a tg and he's looking for an rp, and their's a few other people who I've forgotten about.

Obviously, this is asuming that Aldar doesn't post.

[Lamoni]

I have already stated my position, but it bears repeating. I am inclined to wait.

In response to the concerns about Aldar's extended absence, and the resulting delay in application evaluation, I would suggest that the more established roleplayers involved in Omnibellum (Mac, Tiami, Lamoni, etc.) discuss and implement a solution. Possibly nominate a temporary evaluator, depending on the decision. Debate over IRC may be best regarding this topic, to avoid sidetracking the thread.

Let me know when and where, and i'll do my best to be there when the IRC conversation happens.

[Athaea]

It might be best to maintain the 'aggressor' and 'defender' lines for now. Not everyone is aware of each nation's requirements for military engagement. In the absence of that information, it is safe to assume that each nation selected their role in Omnibellum according to their respective policies.

From what I understand, Aldar needed to invade Marsh, which prompted a retaliatory invasion.
If Marsh were to recant his previous post, and start early, he would still need a legitimate casus belli.
As a side note, it may be wise for other nations to be considered, given Marsh's stated intention to wait.

(Lamoni, I was actually hoping that either you or Mac would take point on the IRC discussion and verdict.)

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

The thing is, I've only ever planned for the Haven to be the invading party; in order to gain the ridiculous 'reunion' idea promelgated by the junior party in the coalition, Fascism: true democracy. 'Reunion' basically goes against all of recorded Havenic history, by claiming the bizarre belief that the Haven once controlled the entire world, and that now the Haven needs to use war, as well as its aggressive trading policies (slightly more selfish pollicies than Blackhelm's trading policies), in order to 'reunite the Haven.' Obviously, I know that this can never happen, but it is the reason the Vakolicci will be forced into many years of destructive and bloody war.

[Lamoni]

(Lamoni, I was actually hoping that either you or Mac would take point on the IRC discussion and verdict.)

I'll shoot Mac a TG, then, and see what happens from there.

[Arvenia]

Nation Name (Game Name of your nation/Username): Arvenia
IC Nation Name (Short Form): Arvenia
IC Nation Name (Long Form w/ Title): The United Kingdom of Arvenia
Type of Government: Semi-Parliamentary Monarchy (Absolute Monarchy and Parliamentary Democracy)
Head(s) of State and/or Government with Title(s): King Leonard IV (Head of State) and Prime Minister Júan Podista (Head of Government)
IC Population: 339 Million
Game Region: PFQ (People's Federation of Qandaristan)
IC Home Region(Where your nation's homeland is located): PFQ (People's Federation of Qandaristan)
Alignment(List any alliances and/or regions your nation will be fighting alongside if any): Anti-Fascists
Casus Belli: Desire for world peace and new order
Tech Level: PMT
Military Size: 120 Million
RP Samples:
1. Qandarian Civil Wars
2. World War RPs
3. Arvenian Civil Wars

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

As I can't imagine Kraven ICly jumping to my support, how about a Marshite invasion of Ralkovia? I might be wrong, but Kraven, Ralk, Parth and Scand are the most powerful Einsatz nations, and are already allies (might be wrong about Kraven.) The Haven and Yalos are their 'friends on the inside' as it were, although I am expecting to be drawn deeper. Finium is involved because I sent him a tg and he's looking for an rp, and their's a few other people who I've forgotten about.

Obviously, this is asuming that Aldar doesn't post.

I don't mind coming under attack, but it really wouldn't make much sense at least in my mind.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I don't mind coming under attack, but it really wouldn't make much sense at least in my mind.

You're a brutal, genocidal, slaver theocracy with a literal messianic cult of personality built around the twit in charge.

That is to NS'ers as catnip is to cats.

[The Macabees]

(Lamoni, I was actually hoping that either you or Mac would take point on the IRC discussion and verdict.)

I might have something currently in the works, although I don't want to say too much because it might end up falling through (especially if the other party[ies] decide to opt for an alternative story). But, whatever we come up with will most likely be somewhat exclusive. Gholgoth and Gr. Dienstad countries will, of course, be more than welcome to participate, but even then there's going to be some type of funneling process for volume control purposes. However, that thread might justify additional threads under the Omnibellum story-arch -- and a multi-thread, multi-front approach might help with making the RP more inclusive, without overwhelming specific participants.

One recommendation of mine, and this goes hand-in-hand with previous comments on organic conflicts, is to just plan smaller scale threads with a few other nations. We can worry about tying threads and storylines together later; in fact, these type of things tend to fall into place. A good example is how the ongoing conflicts in GD are gradually linking together, viz. "Moving is Never Easy" and "Imperial Recrudescence" -- and none of it is deliberate, it's organic (it required no real management or planning). So, suppose I go to war with X (I'm keeping the other party anonymous until we know for sure that there's a good chance of something happening) -- other players are more than welcome to enter a conflict with Y and we can link the various threads together under the same story arch.