Omnibellum [P/MT|Open|Planning/OOC|ATTN ALL]

[Delmonte]

Because too much planning and organization is clearly the issue here.

This thread is an example of why people who don't actually want to write something shouldn't say they do. It's not hard. I didn't want to write in this. So I just didn't say that I did.

Why the assumption? Can you back your statement up?

Who are you and what have you done with the Tiami that I know for a fact read the last three pages of this thread?

[Tiami]

Why the assumption? Can you back your statement up?

Who are you and what have you done with the Tiami that I know for a fact read the last three pages of this thread?

Read the edit. I was making a light, somewhat bad, joke.

[The Red Star Union]

Someone appoint themselves as CO-op, please. There is no other way to get this started, methinks. And, a good, responsible, well established RpeeR who was a major part in the making of this RP. Also, Holy marsh, since IF the invasion of you goes on, I want to join Einsatz, can I have an assassin from your nation kill my leader to provoke war?

[The Black Plains]

Given that Sondria is being invaded and constitutes a large number of the participants, it is meet that a Sondrian be represented in the OPship. I encourage Marquesan to take the laurel.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

This seems to have turned into a "let's all stomp the smaller regions" thread.

You calling Sondria small? We're not small, we're just different, and we've 2 traitors.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

I'd be happy to serve as co-op, as I am both a member of Sondria and Einsatz. I am in the worst position of anybody.

[Yalos]

I think that we should have the leadership of the major regions and alliances meet on IRC and discuss a way to salvage this idea. Everybody was so hyped, and it'd be a shame to let it die.

[The Macabees]

This thread is a good example of why a conflict of this scale needs to happen organically.

Because too much planning and organization is clearly the issue here.

This thread is an example of why people who don't actually want to write something shouldn't say they do. It's not hard. I didn't want to write in this. So I just didn't say that I did. And if you can't do something, don't commit to it. It's really just that simple.

Right, these things require a lot of planning and a lot of coordination. That's why it's better to allow them to start organically. And you're roght, people don't want to put he work into posting. That's why it's better to let them start organically.

When the costs of a failed rp are lower, when there are less people involved, he incentive to write is stronger. But once you have a successful thread, people will want to join. That's an organic conflict. All my successful rps involving 20+ nations have started organically.

We actually need less managent and more rping. We don't need to coordinate between large amounts of nations. Start a thread involving a few and grow from there. An added advantage is that the probability of failing due to the lack of posting by part of an important participant falls drastically. You get people who you can trust to put in the work.

I know what I'm talking about. Only about ten years of experience here.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

I may only have 5 years of experience, but I don't think an rp of this scale can be pulled off entirely organicly. You need some coordination so everyone knows all the people their up against; communication in these sorts of things is the key, and I don't think we've been seing that enough.

[Marquesan]

I may only have 5 years of experience, but I don't think an rp of this scale can be pulled off entirely organicly. You need some coordination so everyone knows all the people their up against; communication in these sorts of things is the key, and I don't think we've been seing that enough.

We certainly have not. Communication broke down early and it's stayed broken down. Were it not for the (minimal) activity in this thread, I would assume it to be totally dead.

[Lord Sumguy]

The #omnibellum irc channel would be a great place to start such communication, methinks. Unfortunately, thus far almost no-one other than myself, scand, pudu and occasionally Mac or Havensky seem to be on there in any significant amount.

Also, I'm seeing some hints of "my region is better than your region" and "playing to win" attitudes that are potentially toxic to any large RP undertaking like this. We must remember going forward that this is a collaboration, not a competition, and that we are all here (hopefully) with the primary goal of constructing and participating in a fun and impactful narrative.

Now I am not the greatest first-post writer, nor the best narrativist among us. I am, however, willing to be a "spark" to start this conflict through terrorist actions as mentioned before, or anything else that folks think I could do ICly to get things moving. Any ideas/takers?

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

The #omnibellum irc channel would be agreat palce to start such communication, methinks. Unfortunately, thus far almsot no-one other than myself, scand, pudu and occasionally Mac or Havensky seem to be on there in any significant amount.

I can't use IRC due to screen reader issues.

[United Gordonopia]

Have to agree with Mac that its much better to let this start organically, a small part of the conflict getting off the ground, than to try and coordinate a dozen people or more into one single action right off the bat. An RP needs to get off the ground and build momentum for others to join in. You don't build a huge snowball by just packing a ton of snow together, you build a small one and roll it around to let it grow naturally.

[Delmonte]

Because too much planning and organization is clearly the issue here.

This thread is an example of why people who don't actually want to write something shouldn't say they do. It's not hard. I didn't want to write in this. So I just didn't say that I did. And if you can't do something, don't commit to it. It's really just that simple.

Right, these things require a lot of planning and a lot of coordination. That's why it's better to allow them to start organically. And you're roght, people don't want to put he work into posting. That's why it's better to let them start organically.

When the costs of a failed rp are lower, when there are less people involved, he incentive to write is stronger. But once you have a successful thread, people will want to join. That's an organic conflict. All my successful rps involving 20+ nations have started organically.

We actually need less managent and more rping. We don't need to coordinate between large amounts of nations. Start a thread involving a few and grow from there. An added advantage is that the probability of failing due to the lack of posting by part of an important participant falls drastically. You get people who you can trust to put in the work.

I know what I'm talking about. Only about ten years of experience here.

I get where you're coming from and that's totally valid. But, dude, the sheer abundance of spelling and grammatical errors seriously undermined your point.

Aside from vague metaphors provided by United Gordonopia, I've seen no evidence posited that you're somehow going to find better organization in an RP that was not organized. It turns conventional writing, role playing, and, indeed, logic on their heads.

[Morrdh]

Right.

If you guys are serious about getting this whole thing rolling then over the next few days I'll write up a thread involving the sinking of a non-GD ship to spark an incident and get things going.

[Marquesan]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=315606

I posted the OP for Raven Approach on the 11th. Every time I've been on the Omnibellum IRC, it's been been quiet, so I've been sticking to Sondria IRC. If you'd like information about the thread and its casus belli, I'd be happy to provide it.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

How are we expected to make raven approach happen when Einsatz is still not going? Until that happens, we're going to be stuck here.

To be honest, good rp is all well and good, but when it's compremising the whole rp, I'd be happy with 2 paragraphs. It's a conference, not your contest entry.

[United Gordonopia]

I've seen no evidence posited that you're somehow going to find better organization in an RP that was not organized

You're taking this entirely out of context. The point I, and I believe Mac, are trying to make is that you can't just start what you hope to be a massive RP with everyone piling in at once. That's, in my honest opinion, why the Einsatz thread isn't really working out too well. To use an analogy, World War I didn't begin with all sides suddenly declaring war, but rather it was a case of a single incident cascading into an invasion of Serbia by Austro-Hungary, retaliation by Russian, intervention by Germany and a preemptive move in the West, and then from there it grew. Or look at, say, the coalition against Napoleon which formed over the course of a few years as various events came to a head.

In this case, you're trying to force a whole coalition together to make a single concerted invasion when no incidents have actually occurred to trigger it. You can certainly have OOC coordination leading up to it, but you have a whole thread devoted to the nebulous idea of 'expansion' without an actual target or reason yet in place. Let it start with, say, the sinking of a ship, or a diplomatic slight, or an assassination, or the invasion of one individual that gathers support from others as it builds steam.

[Marquesan]

How are we expected to make raven approach happen when Einsatz is still not going? Until that happens, we're going to be stuck here.

To be honest, good rp is all well and good, but when it's compremising the whole rp, I'd be happy with 2 paragraphs. It's a conference, not your contest entry.

I'm not sure that I really follow what you're trying to say here.

Are you saying that we, the defense, shouldn't expect anybody who has aligned with Einsatz to be able to concentrate on anything else because you're all, to a man, too busy having a conference and writing poetry for each other?

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

Admitedly, Kraven does have a good reason for not posting, so we might be able to get endless wartime going when his rl settles down a bit. As for anyone else, I'm not sure: I presume that the people who've already posted are in for the long ride, but I can't be sure. Aparently RL is giving Ralk shit, but I know very little about what Scand and Parth are doing in relation to this. Aldar has gone completely awol, unless someone else knows things I don't.

[Holy Marsh]

Endless Wartime can wait for the invaders to be ready. It was always dependent on the invaders starting it up. As for the others- well, tbh I don't quite care. Someone needs to invade someone and stop the foppery nonsense.

[The Red Star Union]

I've seen no evidence posited that you're somehow going to find better organization in an RP that was not organized

You're taking this entirely out of context. The point I, and I believe Mac, are trying to make is that you can't just start what you hope to be a massive RP with everyone piling in at once. That's, in my honest opinion, why the Einsatz thread isn't really working out too well. To use an analogy, World War I didn't begin with all sides suddenly declaring war, but rather it was a case of a single incident cascading into an invasion of Serbia by Austro-Hungary, retaliation by Russian, intervention by Germany and a preemptive move in the West, and then from there it grew. Or look at, say, the coalition against Napoleon which formed over the course of a few years as various events came to a head.

In this case, you're trying to force a whole coalition together to make a single concerted invasion when no incidents have actually occurred to trigger it. You can certainly have OOC coordination leading up to it, but you have a whole thread devoted to the nebulous idea of 'expansion' without an actual target or reason yet in place. Let it start with, say, the sinking of a ship, or a diplomatic slight, or an assassination, or the invasion of one individual that gathers support from others as it builds steam.

I already have an idea for Endless Wartime to kick off. Holy Marsh person kills leader (i need to get rid of him anyway XD) and ignites conflict.

[Havensky]

The Defiant Sky thread will also help set up Kraven's rational for supporting invasions elsewhere. The Defiant Sky storyline takes place *just* before Omnibellum. It's conclusion aims to do two things. The first is show that it's impractical for the Reich to war with fellow Gothic Nations due to the sheer stubbornness of the Skyan people. The second is that the peace deal that is made causes Havensky to *not* directly oppose Kraven or his allies in the impending conflict. This sets us up for the "Lonely Position of Neutral" thread in which myself, Ganos Lao and other non-aligned nations try and get peace talks and humanitarian aid missions going.

At least, until somebody decides to attack a hospital ship or takes a shot at our diplomats.

That said, is there a way to get mod help in steering the Omnibellum (in terms of stickying threads, ect?)

[Tiami]

The #omnibellum irc channel would be a great place to start such communication, methinks. Unfortunately, thus far almost no-one other than myself, scand, pudu and occasionally Mac or Havensky seem to be on there in any significant amount.

Also, I'm seeing some hints of "my region is better than your region" and "playing to win" attitudes that are potentially toxic to any large RP undertaking like this. We must remember going forward that this is a collaboration, not a competition, and that we are all here (hopefully) with the primary goal of constructing and participating in a fun and impactful narrative.

Now I am not the greatest first-post writer, nor the best narrativist among us. I am, however, willing to be a "spark" to start this conflict through terrorist actions as mentioned before, or anything else that folks think I could do ICly to get things moving. Any ideas/takers?

I too am on the #omnibellum IRC quite often as well.

Anyway, Lord Sumguy, if you want, you and I can plan a terrorist attack in my nation to spark this RP. If I can help jumpstart this RP, then I'm all for it.

The Defiant Sky thread will also help set up Kraven's rational for supporting invasions elsewhere. The Defiant Sky storyline takes place *just* before Omnibellum. It's conclusion aims to do two things. The first is show that it's impractical for the Reich to war with fellow Gothic Nations due to the sheer stubbornness of the Skyan people. The second is that the peace deal that is made causes Havensky to *not* directly oppose Kraven or his allies in the impending conflict. This sets us up for the "Lonely Position of Neutral" thread in which myself, Ganos Lao and other non-aligned nations try and get peace talks and humanitarian aid missions going.

At least, until somebody decides to attack a hospital ship or takes a shot at our diplomats.

That said, is there a way to get mod help in steering the Omnibellum (in terms of stickying threads, ect?)

I don't think there need to be any threads stickied, but I, or someone else, can run the idea by Jenrak; however, we need activity before any thread gets special attention.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

Unfortunately, I think it's official mod policy not to help cirtain rps more than others.