The United Left [OOC|SIGN-UP|6.0]

[Cyllea]

Redacted. Not gonna stay in a dying alliance governed by self-righteous 10 year olds anyway. Goodbye.

[Ardoki]

- ANNOUNCEMENT -

Cyllea, you are officially banned from the UL thread. This is enough, and you will leave permanently.

No, I will absolutely not. Only Bojikami has the power to ban people from the United Left.

The Council of Commissars have full executive authority. Please leave, of they will have to involve the moderators.

EDIT: This is my last post regarding this matter.

[Vedria]

Oh wow, what'd I miss?

[The High Lords]

I'm reconsidering my membership if the United Left is not willing to accept nations that are trying to join the struggle for the proletariat.

[Alosteq Diin Nastja]

I'm reconsidering my membership if the United Left is not willing to accept nations that are trying to join the struggle for the proletariat.

Is this in reference to Cyllea?

[Ardoki]

I am one of the most senior members in the alliance, having been a member much longer than you (Only saying this because seniority is clearly important to you). And since the UL is reforming to phase out dictatorial members and the like, I am violating none.

Does that mean Marxist-Lenninist states would be prohibited from being in this alliance? They are leftist economically and socially, however they are single-party states and sometimes autocracies.

[Vedria]

*reads thread*

What the fuck guys.

[The High Lords]

I'm reconsidering my membership if the United Left is not willing to accept nations that are trying to join the struggle for the proletariat.

Is this in reference to Cyllea?

Yes.

As far as I know this is an ECONOMICALLY-ALIGNED alliance, not anything else. Refer to previous iterations of the UL thread for more evidence of economic alignment.

Emphasis with CAPS - not yelling

[Alosteq Diin Nastja]

Is this in reference to Cyllea?

Yes.

As far as I know this is an ECONOMICALLY-ALIGNED alliance, not anything else. Refer to previous iterations of the UL thread for more evidence of economic alignment.

Emphasis with CAPS - not yelling

We're reforming as to make this a freer alliance. There is no need for dictatorship in the modern world.

[The High Lords]

Yes.

As far as I know this is an ECONOMICALLY-ALIGNED alliance, not anything else. Refer to previous iterations of the UL thread for more evidence of economic alignment.

Emphasis with CAPS - not yelling

We're reforming as to make this a freer alliance. There is no need for dictatorship in the modern world.

Then there is no need for my continued membership. I do not support said reform.

[The UL Administrator]

We're reforming as to make this a freer alliance. There is no need for dictatorship in the modern world.

Then there is no need for my continued membership. I do not support said reform.

As per request, you have been removed from the membership roster.

[Ardoki]

Yes.

As far as I know this is an ECONOMICALLY-ALIGNED alliance, not anything else. Refer to previous iterations of the UL thread for more evidence of economic alignment.

Emphasis with CAPS - not yelling

We're reforming as to make this a freer alliance. There is no need for dictatorship in the modern world.

There kind of is.

I live in a democracy, and the crimes against humanity which occur just because a large proportion of the population is racist is absolutely horrible (we lock up refugees in concentration camps). In Australia for example, the majority of people who vote for the Liberal Party would be better off voting for the Labour Party, they literally vote against their own interests. The same thing occurs with the Republican Party in America.
The people need to be guided, they majority can't be trusted to vote correctly.

[Alosteq Diin Nastja]

We're reforming as to make this a freer alliance. There is no need for dictatorship in the modern world.

There kind of is.

I live in a democracy, and the crimes against humanity which occur just because a large proportion of the population is racist is absolutely horrible (we lock up refugees in concentration camps). In Australia for example, the majority of people who vote for the Liberal Party would be better off voting for the Labour Party, they literally vote against their own interests. The same thing occurs with the Republican Party in America.
The people need to be guided, they majority can't be trusted to vote correctly.

But when the people are informed, democracy can be wonderous.

[The High Lords]

There kind of is.

I live in a democracy, and the crimes against humanity which occur just because a large proportion of the population is racist is absolutely horrible (we lock up refugees in concentration camps). In Australia for example, the majority of people who vote for the Liberal Party would be better off voting for the Labour Party, they literally vote against their own interests. The same thing occurs with the Republican Party in America.
The people need to be guided, they majority can't be trusted to vote correctly.

But when the people are informed, democracy can be wonderous.

There's a reason why Utopias don't exist IRL.

[Alosteq Diin Nastja]

But when the people are informed, democracy can be wonderous.

There's a reason why Utopias don't exist IRL.

And that's because it's impossible for anything created by humans to be perfect.

[Ardoki]

There kind of is.

I live in a democracy, and the crimes against humanity which occur just because a large proportion of the population is racist is absolutely horrible (we lock up refugees in concentration camps). In Australia for example, the majority of people who vote for the Liberal Party would be better off voting for the Labour Party, they literally vote against their own interests. The same thing occurs with the Republican Party in America.
The people need to be guided, they majority can't be trusted to vote correctly.

But when the people are informed, democracy can be wonderous.

The thing is, humans are not perfect. They can be manipulated, with fear, hatred, etc. It isn't just politicians, but the media which manipulate the voters.

Look at the rise of the far-right in Europe today. They are becoming ever more powerful while the left is weakening, racism and xenophobia are on the rise. It's like 1933 all over again.

Democracy may be a good idea, but it is corruptible and requires each voter to vote rationally in order to work, something which never happens due to the complexities of the human brain.
Obviously don't support the people having no influence over the government. However there are people who would be more suited to rule a country than the masses. Democracy implies that an ordinary citizen knows more about economics than an economist, an ordinary citizen knows more about healthcare than someone in the industry.

Democracy allows the ordinary citizens to decide the policy of the government, why would we let those who are unqualified decide government policy. Not only do they butcher the government, the majority often supports the oppression of minorities (ethnic minorities, religious minorities, the poor, etc).

[Alosteq Diin Nastja]

But when the people are informed, democracy can be wonderous.

The thing is, humans are not perfect. They can be manipulated, with fear, hatred, etc. It isn't just politicians, but the media which manipulate the voters.

Look at the rise of the far-right in Europe today. They are becoming ever more powerful while the left is weakening, racism and xenophobia are on the rise. It's like 1933 all over again.

Democracy may be a good idea, but it is corruptible and requires each voter to vote rationally in order to work, something which never happens due to the complexities of the human brain.
Obviously don't support the people having no influence over the government. However there are people who would be more suited to rule a country than the masses. Democracy implies that an ordinary citizen knows more about economics than an economist, an ordinary citizen knows more about healthcare than someone in the industry.

Democracy allows the ordinary citizens to decide the policy of the government, why would we let those who are unqualified decide government policy. Not only do they butcher the government, the majority often supports the oppression of minorities (ethnic minorities, religious minorities, the poor, etc).

And 1933 gave way to fascist dictatorships that led to inevitable collapse. The USSR was already failing to provide for the people and it was a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't exactly have the best track record for success.

[The High Lords]

-snip-

Basically, tyranny by majority. The uninformed majority.

[Ardoki]

The thing is, humans are not perfect. They can be manipulated, with fear, hatred, etc. It isn't just politicians, but the media which manipulate the voters.

Look at the rise of the far-right in Europe today. They are becoming ever more powerful while the left is weakening, racism and xenophobia are on the rise. It's like 1933 all over again.

Democracy may be a good idea, but it is corruptible and requires each voter to vote rationally in order to work, something which never happens due to the complexities of the human brain.
Obviously don't support the people having no influence over the government. However there are people who would be more suited to rule a country than the masses. Democracy implies that an ordinary citizen knows more about economics than an economist, an ordinary citizen knows more about healthcare than someone in the industry.

Democracy allows the ordinary citizens to decide the policy of the government, why would we let those who are unqualified decide government policy. Not only do they butcher the government, the majority often supports the oppression of minorities (ethnic minorities, religious minorities, the poor, etc).

And 1933 gave way to fascist dictatorships that led to inevitable collapse. The USSR was already failing to provide for the people and it was a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't exactly have the best track record for success.

Depends upon what you think success is.

The living standard in the USSR was kilometres higher than in the Russian Empire, you can't even compare the two the gap is so huge.

[Ardoki]

-snip-

Basically, tyranny by majority. The uninformed majority.

Yeah.

I use to think democracy was good.

But then I realised how stupid people are, and watched how so many voted against their interests, how they voted for the internment of refugees in concentration camps, voted to stop supporting Indigenous populations, voted to drastically reduce welfare, and vote to cut taxes to the rich and corporations but increase them for themselves. They were ordinary people, voting against themselves and society. Plus the media was so biased against the Labour Party.

[Jenrak]

Redacted. Not gonna stay in a dying alliance governed by self-righteous 10 year olds anyway. Goodbye.

I understand your frustration, but it is always best to leave politely, professionally, and kindly, even if you feel slighted. Regardless, I must give you a *** warning for flaming ***. Please cool down, make some tea, and I hope you find something more suited to your tastes!

[Victoriala]

Redacted. Not gonna stay in a dying alliance governed by self-righteous 10 year olds anyway. Goodbye.

I understand your frustration, but it is always best to leave politely, professionally, and kindly, even if you feel slighted. Regardless, I must give you a *** warning for flaming ***. Please cool down, make some tea, and I hope you find something more suited to your tastes!

You can feel the polite and niceness from this guy

Jenrak is like my spirit animal

[Ardoki]

Reposting this again:

I am one of the most senior members in the alliance, having been a member much longer than you (Only saying this because seniority is clearly important to you). And since the UL is reforming to phase out dictatorial members and the like, I am violating none.

Does that mean Marxist-Lenninist states would be prohibited from being in this alliance? They are leftist economically and socially, however they are single-party states and sometimes autocracies.

Please don't tell me that these nations are no longer welcome in the United Left. Especially considering how the UL was created for them specifically, as they were often under threat from the fascists of AXIS and the freedom-lovers of the IFC.

Why are you trying to turn the UL into another IFC?

[Democratic Chuguria]

I understand your frustration, but it is always best to leave politely, professionally, and kindly, even if you feel slighted. Regardless, I must give you a *** warning for flaming ***. Please cool down, make some tea, and I hope you find something more suited to your tastes!

You can feel the polite and niceness from this guy

Jenrak is like my spirit animal

Not related, but wasn't Jenrak supposed to be a woman?

[New Chilokver]

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=405702