IFC Council (IC)

[New Chilokver]

As the defendant has refused IFC aid, I see no reason to interfere in the conflict unless requested in future. Case closed?

[Elemental North]

"To the Prime Minister, I say this:" said Alexias, knowing that he was almost more popular after being fired than he had been before, and rather enjoying the moment.

"Did you honestly think that a ceasefire would work without someone saying that they would be severely displeased if people broke it? Obviously your policy needed some diplomatic support if it was to have any chance of working; so the Ausitorian Foreign Policy Office independently and separately fleshed out your demand for a ceasefire. And when my departure was rumoured, everybody realized that your policy had nothing to back it up with.

Since my departure, we have seen everybody testing the will of the IFC all at once. Throughout Elemental North's dictatorial rule we have seen members leave. Why? Because we have a leader who refuses to accept different opinions or tolerate dissent, and thinks that an iron hand and discipline is the way to run an alliance.

And, as we are seeing, it is not. The IFC does not need a personality cult. It does not need obedience. It needs freedom to accept different viewpoints.

One viewpoint that our Prime Minister obviously did not accept is Si vis pacem, para bellum: If you want peace, prepare for war; and negotiate from a position of strength, with firm beliefs in your convictions. And obviously in the midst of a crisis we are not prepared for war; and obviously that is why SACTO is laughing at us.

So what we must do, and what we must do very quickly; is get organized. The whole crux of the issue is the question of order. We varyingly accuse Elemental North of being a dictator in our alliance and failing to ensure international order abroad. What Elemental North or any future Prime Minister must realize is if this alliance is to thrive is that to ensure international order we do not need an exclusive order at home, where everybody without your opinion has to shut up or leave. What you need is a more inclusive order, a larger structure, which includes all who are tolerant. With that order you can go out and battle intolerance as a large powerful group, full of energy and ideas, like we used to be. For us to have order, we must have people who want to be inside that order; and they must be sufficiently numerous and energetic to keep that order safe from external threats."

Seward rubbed his forehead as the Delegate from Ausitoria preached from his soapbox. After he was finished, the Prime Minister stood up and banged his gabble,

"Ladies and Gentlemen of Council it has come to my attention that I have failed you as a leader, the Ausitorian Delegate was correct in his assumption that, in my effort to run things, I lost myself, and my purpose. And for that, and everything I have ever done that has possibly harmed this organization, I am sorry. The Ausitorian Delegate is a brilliant statesman, more so than I could ever be. I am a half-way decent administrator, but that's all I've ever really been. I am sorry I have failed you all, and will gladly slerk off into the distance when the time comes. However, now we must have unity, now we must have trust, now we must have the ability to face all, and god damnit if those SACTO bastards are going to take us down. Thus, if the Ausitorian Delegate will entertain me, one last time, I would officially like to declare the creation of the position of Vice President, to serve under that of the Prime Minister, and in his place when he is absent for any period of time or incapacitated for any reason. The nomination for Vice President will be the Ausitorian Delegate, if he will have it, and thus shall be placed to a vote now, along with that of this War with SACTO.

The following is now at vote. May your respective gods bless us all.

1. All in favor of the creation of the position of Vice President and the confirmation of the Ausitorian Delegate to that position; say AYE, ABSTAIN, or NAY.

AYE.

2. All in favor of declaring and authorizing full scale war on the SACTO, say AYE, ABSTAIN, or NAY.

AYE.

The voting will last until the Secretary General stops it.

[United States of Devonta]

1. Aye

2. Nay

[New Chilokver]

1. AYE
2. AYE

[Argentarino]

1. AYE
2. ABSTAIN, for conflict of interest

[Zunkwentania]

1. Aye
2. Nay

[The Nation of Ceneria]

Motion number one: AYE
Motion number two: AYE

[New Carloso]

"The Federal Republic of Carloso votes Aye on number one and venomously says Aye on number two and would encourage other countries to follow suit."

[Zunkwentania]

"The Federal Republic of Carloso votes Aye on number one and venomously says Aye on number two and would encourage other countries to follow suit."

"We wish to ask why you vote this way on SACTO."

[New Carloso]

"The Federal Republic of Carloso votes Aye on number one and venomously says Aye on number two and would encourage other countries to follow suit."

"We wish to ask why you vote this way on SACTO."

"Mr. Zarder, if you haven't noticed, a member of this alliance is under attack by SACTO. A defiant, coordinated reaction is needed by this alliance if we are to be considered a mutual defence pact. We have two choices here... face SACTO in a once off, potentially bloody conflict. Or, we could become the laughing stock of the world where nobody takes us seriously."

[District XIV]

"We wish to ask why you vote this way on SACTO."

"Mr. Zarder, if you haven't noticed, a member of this alliance is under attack by SACTO. A defiant, coordinated reaction is needed by this alliance if we are to be considered a mutual defence pact. We have two choices here... face SACTO in a once off, potentially bloody conflict. Or, we could become the laughing stock of the world where nobody takes us seriously."

“...Umm, except, the very nation you want to assist has temporarily denied assistance.”

[New Carloso]

"Esteemed members. As of now, our entire military has been put on the defensive. Our entire Navy was sunk at port, several of our air defenses and air bases have been targeted and damaged to the point where they are no longer effective, and we are dealing with a war against Cuscatlani sponsored, funded, and armed terrorists within the Kingdom. For now, though, we will not call on the RRF, as doing so would, in the opinion of His Majesty, escalate the paranoia of the SACTO leaders even more so. We are willing to make do with what we have, and those resources provided to us by allies. However, if there is consensus within the government that our defenses will not hold and the possibility of occupation is high, then we will call on the IFC to authorize the RRF to take immediate action."

"What I mean to say is that, in the event where the defences of Argentarino are effectively destroyed, war must follow."

[United States of Devonta]

"Esteemed members. As of now, our entire military has been put on the defensive. Our entire Navy was sunk at port, several of our air defenses and air bases have been targeted and damaged to the point where they are no longer effective, and we are dealing with a war against Cuscatlani sponsored, funded, and armed terrorists within the Kingdom. For now, though, we will not call on the RRF, as doing so would, in the opinion of His Majesty, escalate the paranoia of the SACTO leaders even more so. We are willing to make do with what we have, and those resources provided to us by allies. However, if there is consensus within the government that our defenses will not hold and the possibility of occupation is high, then we will call on the IFC to authorize the RRF to take immediate action."

"What I mean to say is that, in the event where the defences of Argentarino are effectively destroyed, war must follow."

"I was under the impression a vote would be held if they actually did ask for the IFC's help."

[Zunkwentania]

"We wish to ask why you vote this way on SACTO."

"Mr. Zarder, if you haven't noticed, a member of this alliance is under attack by SACTO. A defiant, coordinated reaction is needed by this alliance if we are to be considered a mutual defence pact. We have two choices here... face SACTO in a once off, potentially bloody conflict. Or, we could become the laughing stock of the world where nobody takes us seriously."

"While your statement rings true, the delegation from Argentarino has actively expressed its wish for no IFC intervention, and diplomacy should come before bloody war."
OOC: I'm a bit confused, so if Zarder's statement is false, tg me.

[District XIV]

"Esteemed members. As of now, our entire military has been put on the defensive. Our entire Navy was sunk at port, several of our air defenses and air bases have been targeted and damaged to the point where they are no longer effective, and we are dealing with a war against Cuscatlani sponsored, funded, and armed terrorists within the Kingdom. For now, though, we will not call on the RRF, as doing so would, in the opinion of His Majesty, escalate the paranoia of the SACTO leaders even more so. We are willing to make do with what we have, and those resources provided to us by allies. However, if there is consensus within the government that our defenses will not hold and the possibility of occupation is high, then we will call on the IFC to authorize the RRF to take immediate action."

"What I mean to say is that, in the event where the defences of Argentarino are effectively destroyed, war must follow."

“Then why declare war now when their defenses are still intact?”

[Mizrad]

Mizrad will vote "AYE" on both topics. The Mizradian delegation would also wish to know that if war against SACTO were to occur, if a Mizradian force could be present in the conflict due to national interest and security.

[New Carloso]

"Mr. Zarder, if you haven't noticed, a member of this alliance is under attack by SACTO. A defiant, coordinated reaction is needed by this alliance if we are to be considered a mutual defence pact. We have two choices here... face SACTO in a once off, potentially bloody conflict. Or, we could become the laughing stock of the world where nobody takes us seriously."

"While your statement rings true, the delegation from Argentarino has actively expressed its wish for no IFC intervention, and diplomacy should come before bloody war."
OOC: I'm a bit confused, so if Zarder's statement is false, tg me.

"SACTO is a threat to all of us, Zarder. Eventually, they will attack another IFC nation. We must crush the weed before it has the chance to spread and... to tell you the truth... I'd prefer an alliance with the UL over SACTO."

[New Chilokver]

"While your statement rings true, the delegation from Argentarino has actively expressed its wish for no IFC intervention, and diplomacy should come before bloody war."
OOC: I'm a bit confused, so if Zarder's statement is false, tg me.

"SACTO is a threat to all of us, Zarder. Eventually, they will attack another IFC nation. We must crush the weed before it has the chance to spread and... to ell you the truth... I'd prefer an alliance with the UL over SACTO."

"Damn right you are. We need to destroy those fascist dictatorships now!"

[Elemental North]

Mizrad will vote "AYE" on both topics. The Mizradian delegation would also wish to know that if war against SACTO were to occur, if a Mizradian force could be present in the conflict due to national interest and security.

You would be more than welcome to do join us.

And please, if an issue with the War vote does occur let me know.

[Zunkwentania]

"While your statement rings true, the delegation from Argentarino has actively expressed its wish for no IFC intervention, and diplomacy should come before bloody war."
OOC: I'm a bit confused, so if Zarder's statement is false, tg me.

"SACTO is a threat to all of us, Zarder. Eventually, they will attack another IFC nation. We must crush the weed before it has the chance to spread and... to ell you the truth... I'd prefer an alliance with the UL over SACTO."

"I would also prefer that, Davies, but intervention first is not the answer. We haven't even conducted proper talks with SACTO yet."

[New Carloso]

"SACTO is a threat to all of us, Zarder. Eventually, they will attack another IFC nation. We must crush the weed before it has the chance to spread and... to ell you the truth... I'd prefer an alliance with the UL over SACTO."

"I would also prefer that, Davies, but intervention first is not the answer. We haven't even conducted proper talks with SACTO yet."

"Well... maybe a final ultimatum is in order then?"

[New Chilokver]

"I would also prefer that, Davies, but intervention first is not the answer. We haven't even conducted proper talks with SACTO yet."

"They have taken the risk by this act of war, they deal with the consequences. I say we bomb them to kingdom come. "

[Zunkwentania]

"I would also prefer that, Davies, but intervention first is not the answer. We haven't even conducted proper talks with SACTO yet."

"Well... maybe a final ultimatum is in order then?"

"Perhaps it is. A final ultimatum if another IFC member is officially attacked by SACTO as an organization seems sound."

[New Carloso]

"Well... maybe a final ultimatum is in order then?"

"Perhaps it is. A final ultimatum if another IFC member is officially attacked by SACTO as an organization seems sound."

" Well... I have to agree that Argentarino is a strange case since they did join this alliance on the eve of an invasion."

[Mizrad]

"Perhaps it is. A final ultimatum if another IFC member is officially attacked by SACTO as an organization seems sound."

" Well... I have to agree that Argentarino is a strange case since they did join this alliance on the eve of an invasion."

"Then in order to cause less controversey and losses within the international community as well as the IFC, would waiting until SACTO attacks another member nation to respond with military force be wiser?"