by Unicario » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:13 pm
by Luziyca » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:14 pm
by Ruridova » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:24 pm
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by Unicario » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:22 pm
Ruridova wrote:Tagging, and willing to negotiate on Bharata(particularly reducing territory size).
by Unicario » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:51 pm
by Ruridova » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:07 pm
by Bojikami » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:10 pm
Unicario wrote:Also, I am formally putting down an edict as OP -- New World nations cannot colonize their homelands rapidly, and Europe cannot "discover" the new world until a certain date. While I'm open to technology advances beyond OTL's pace, let's not have a ridiculous super-large empires popping up in the middle of the Americas or the Europeans shoring up in 900 AD and laying waste to the world.
I'd rather this RP leave space for new players to come in if they wish. Vielen danke.
by Ruridova » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:36 pm
by Unicario » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:04 pm
by Bojikami » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:10 pm
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:
Either one is fine.
Ok, so.
This is the map in the OP. It's pretty obvious why Bharata is an issue; it's fucking huge. It conquers most of India and Pakistan, and establishes puppet states in much of Southeast Asia. This is because my original idea was "BWAAAGHH GIGANTIC EMPIRE MUAHAHAHA".
This is the updated proposal. First off, Bharata's maximum extent(the middle shade of orange and the lighter shade) is primarily based in the south, more adequately reflecting the fact that India traditionally had a southern power and a northern power. In addition, all the mountain territories have been dropped, in reference to how hard it is to conquer mountain-y parts. In addition, the Bharatan puppet states in Southeast Asia and Indonesia are reduced to one(the burnt orange), focused on the Straits of Melacca. This is because my new idea is based around the concept of Bharata being greatly involved in the Indian Ocean Sea trade- and thus focused on controlling some major ports instead of everything.
Thoughts?
EDIT: Also, Boji, I feel I should mention that you get some of Bulgaria's land in the split. The palest blue on the map is lost by an incompetent khan who is killed(and whose death causes the empire to be split between his sons). Seeing that Rus borders some of the pale blue land, I think that Rus would be the most likely candidate to take it from the incompetent khan.
by Ruridova » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:32 am
by Shrillland » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:01 am
by Unicario » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:16 am
400s RP: Germania / Teutonica / Francia
328: The Ripuarian tribe of the Franks encounters a Roman legion along the Rhine River. The tribe attacks the Roman legion and succeeds in shattering the weakened Roman division, however, the manpower cost for the Frankish tribe is very high. From the battle emerges an young 18 year old woman who charismatically unites the survivors, despite her gender. Calling them to arms, they centralize their holdings. The Ripuarian tribe is severely damaged, but the other Germanic tribes are weak as well, pressured hard against the Roman attempts to cross into Germania.
330: Adelheid Helisacharis is named the Chieftess of the Ripuarians, as the Ripuarian army enters Kölle and drives the Romans from the region. The Roman legion some how does not return, which worries Adelheid that their revenge is incoming.
331: Adelheid marries the young Chief of the Thuringians, Leufred, in order to bolster the weakened tribe's fortunes. The Thuringians and Ripuarians are very interested in the idea of creating a unified tribe to deal with Roman aggression. The two agree to call their new dynasty Ripuarii, in honor of the nearly wiped out tribe and for the vanguards of the new Frankish state.
335: Adelheid gives birth to a daughter, whom she names Emma. In this time, the Thuringians and Ripuarii discuss a potential campaign against the Lombards, who live in OTL Czechia. Their goal is to consolidate the Germanic tribes and form a new kingdom state.
337: Adelheid and Leufred are formally named the joint King and Queen of the Franks in a small ceremony in the city of Kölle, and drum up support for the war, however, they are soon faced with a problem from the North.
337-351: Saxon War: Saxon tribes attempt to invade Frankish territory, leading to several battles, leading to the delay of the campaign against the Lombards. The Frankish manage to stave off most of the Saxon attacks, driving the Saxons back north into Saxony and Frisia. In 351, Leufred dies, leading to Adelheid becoming the only ruling monarch in the Frankish realm as her daughter is formally named Chief of the Thuringians after her father's death.
352: Adelheid consolidates her authority over the tribes and begins an expansion program for Kolle, hoping to strengthen the state into a trading city, while also canvasing other settlements to develop. Late in the year, the Lombards attempt to cross west and are halted by the Franks. Forcing them to retreat back into "Lombardia", the Franks pursue them, engaging them several times.
352-381: Lombard-Frisian War: The Franks engage in a war against the Lombards and Frisians as they attempt to break down the growing Frankish state. Polans and Prussians join in leading campaigns south into the region, hoping to force out the Germanic tribes all together. The war is bloody, but a relatively sound victory for Francia, which subjugates the Lombards with some trouble. The Frisians manage to keep the Franks from subjugating them as the Saxons form a strong impediment to the Frankish expansion.
395: Adelheid finally succumbs to old age, leading the way for the 60 year old Emma to inherit the throne. She already has several children. Her primary heir is her daughter Joveta. However...
397: Emma dies of disease, leading to the partition of the fledgling Frankish Empire, stunting it's growth. The Frankish Kingdom is divided into three crowns, the Kingdom of Ripuaria centered around Kolle and it's neighboring region, the Kingdom of Thuringia, and the Kingdom of Lombardia. Joveta is named Queen of Ripuaria, her second-eldest child, Childebrand, is named King of the Thuringians, and her third-eldest child, Theoderada, is named Queen of the Lombards. The three reach an uneasy agreement to remain allies against the Saxons, Romans, Frisians and Slavs. Joveta is 40 years old, Childebrand is 35, and Theoderada is 27.
398-414: Third Saxon War: Believing weakness, the Saxons attempt once again to subjugate the Franks. While the Franks are initially defeated on all fronts, Childebrand scores a major victory over the Saxons just north of the Thuringian capital, however, he perishes in battle in 404. The death of Childebrand causes problems for Ripuaria and Lombardia as the two states now have a disagreement over the rightful Queen of Thuringia. The crisis comes to an unfortunate end when a Saxon huscarl regiment slaughters Joveta when she leads an army against them in 414. The war comes to an end after they realize that Theoderada has now united the Frankish tribes again, but Theoderada swears vengeance upon the Saxons for their crimes, and promises to drive them from Europe. Theoderada's eldest child, Childebrand, named for his fallen uncle who perished the year he was born, is influenced by his mother's passion to wipe the Saxons out.
414-444: Subjugation of the Germanic Tribes: Theoderada leads a campaign to subjugate the Alemanni, Burgundian and Frisians to strengthen her cause against the Saxons. She scores a string of impressive victories, and organizes a new set of states under Frankish domination. This rapid string of victories are ignored by the beleaguered Roman Empire, whose capital was sacked by the Visigothic tribes in 410. With her conquest complete, Theoderada turns her attention north.
444-449: Fourth Saxon War: In the final major war against the Saxons, Theoderada breaks the Saxons and subjugates them mercilessly, driving almost all of them out of the region. This is complicated by the sudden influx of Norse warriors into the region, who are halted in their aggressive expansion in the wake of the Hunnic conquest. The Norse stop spreading, and swear fealty to the Frankish Queen due to their religious connections.
449: Theoderada dies of old age, the Kingdom once again splinters.
- Kingdom of Lombardy: King Childebrand (age 45)
- Kingdom of Thuringia: King Lothar (age 43)
- Kingdom of Burgundy: Queen Joveta (age 40)
- Kingdom of Ripuaria: Queen Adelheid (age 39)
- Kingdom of Saxony: King Charibert (age 39)
- Kingdom of Frisia: King Chlodowig (age 38)
450: The Frankish realms agree to meet in Ripuaria to discuss the future of the country.
452: Frankish Empire created with the election of Childebrand as Emperor of the Franks, and the submittance of all five siblings to Childebrand's power, provided he agrees to defend the rights of the individual realms. The Frankish Empire begins the process of centralizing armies and trade power to levy against the crumbling Roman Empire.
453: Final Saxon War: A group of Saxons return from Britannia to reconquest Saxony from the Franks. They are completely shattered. Britannia and "Francia" open trade relations formally, agreeing to cooperate. The death of the Hunnic Emperor in Scandinavia brings a sigh of relief to the Franks, having secured their stability for the near future. In the intervening years between 456 and 476, the Frankish language begins to take on a new form, and is renamed "Teutonic" by Emperor Childebrand.
460s: The Frankish language begins to take on a new identity after the Ripuarians, Thuringians, Lombards, Suebi, Vandals, etc. have lived in the same realm for some time. The Teutonic language and identity begin to emerge under Childebrand.
476: After the Visigothic tribes sack Rome and depose the Roman Emperor, Emperor Childebrand of the Teutons declares war on the remnant Soissons kingdom in Gaul, intending to conquer it in the name of the Teutonic peoples. The Suebi and Vandal tribes, living in Alemannia, a tribal holding under the Kingdom of Thuringia, march west in advance, looking to carve out their own fate. 476 marks the beginning of the Gaul Campaign.
383: Romans withdraw from northern and western Britain after failed conquests.
386: An unusual famine in Roman Britain causes ravaging deaths as Roman soldiers soon begin to run out of food, riots break out as peasant revolts overtake northern England (near modern Yorkshire)
391: Romano-Britons expel Roman magistrates from their lands, causing a collapse of Roman authority.
393: Londonium is occupied by Roman legions before the Thames has one of the worst floods ever, causing the Legion to lose 60% of it's numbers in a matter of days, as the waters cause severe logistical damage and starvation amongst the Roman soldiers.
395: Rome withdraws from Britannia, a man named Lucius seizes power around Kent. Similar lords do so all over, establishing a patchwork of warlords.
400: Several Britannic lords, of Roman, Gaelic, or other descent, descend upon Lindum to discuss uniting against possible outside conquest, such as the Picts to the North, Franks and Romans to the South, and Saxons marauding near their shores. This convinces all of the Southern Britannic lords to unite to elect a High Chief, of which the monarchy remains such to present day. The new "High Chiefdom" spans from Kent all the way north to Eboracum (York).
402: Lucius of Durovernum, Chief of Kent, is formally elected as High Chief.
402-411: Lucius leads the Legio I Londonium, the first military formation of Britannia, west, to conquer Cornwall/Dumnonia.
412: Dumnonia falls, Lucius grants the land to his 20 year old nephew, Cyrus of Durovernum.
415: Lucius Magnus, the first High Chief, dies in Londonium, the capital of the young state at age 61. The High Chiefs from Dumnonia to the Chief of Eboracum assemble in Londonium to pick the next High Chief.
The Saxons arrive in East Anglia and start invading. The Romano-Britons and Gaels attempt to stop them, and eventually reach a settlement as the Saxons settle in.
The leader of the Saxon invasion formally decides to swear fealty to the High Chief of Britannia, and tries to influence the culture of the state.
416: Cyrus of Durovernum, Chief of Dumnonia, is formally elected High Chief.
418: Picts launch a premeditated invasion, and completely raze Luguvallium to ash. As they march toward Eboracum, Cyrus leads an army of men against them, and drives the Picts North, back across the breach in Hadrian's Wall. His Saxon huscarl regiment's commander, Æthelweard, convinces him to withdraw and leave the Picts be... for now.
421: Æthelweard, for his service to the High Chief, he is formally landed as the Chief of Dumnonia, which Cyrus has held as a personal fiefdom since 412, he is content with Durovernum and Londonium as his fiefdom.
424: Æthelweard leads the High Chief's army into battle against a second invasion, this time by the another Celtic tribe, who launch an invasion through one of the sections of Hadrian's Wall. They nearly capture Arbeia, before the Britannic army drives them back across the frontier.
427: A compact by the Chiefs formally recognizes Cyrus as "Rex Britannorum", granting him even greater temporal power over the lords, as each lord formally begins to assume the Roman title "Dux", over each province.
433: Cyrus dies of a sudden bout of disease. His hereditary lands of Durovernum pass to his son, Albus. The crown opens up for election.
434: Æthelweard of Dumnonia is elected Rex Britannorum by a large margin. Northern Lords are not happy at a Saxon being picked.
435: Northern Lords Rebellion erupts as several northern lords elect an Antirex, they choose to support the King of the Picts as the heir of Britannia -- Drest of the Picts descends south to support the Northern Lords with the full force of Britannia.
The lords of the Welsh swear fealty to Æthelweard and promise to devote soldiers to the cause against the Picts and their loyal lords.
435-446: The Northern Lords Rebellion engulfs England as the Saxons, Romano-Brits and Gaels unite against the Picts and the Northern Lords. Rex Æthelweard's authority is strengthened significantly as a result.
447: Drest retreats beyond Hadrian's Wall as the Britannian legions cross into Alba.
449: Alba is overrun by Æthelweard's armies, Drest is captured in battle and surrenders -- Alba is completely taken over by Æthelweard, who then assigns all of the land out to loyal retainers of Saxon, Roman or Gaelic origin.
453: The death of the Hunnic Emperor leads to several hundred Saxons leaving England to reclaim their homeland. They fail in their mission and of the original 800 departed Saxons, 300 return. The rest of the Saxon people who once lived in the region begin a mass exodus to Ængland, and soon begin to out number the Gaels. Interloping between the Romans and Saxons begins as more and more blood mixing occurs.
455: Æthelweard, Rex Britannorum et Rex Caledonia passes away at the age of 67. His eldest son Cynebald (age 30) inherits his territory in Dumnonia and Norþhymbra. The electors assemble again in Londonium, and elect his son Cynebald to succeed him. Cynebald of Dumnonia is formally coronated in 456.
460: The erupting of warfare across the Roman frontier leads to a radical band of Gallic warriors attempting to draw Britannia into the fight against Rome. Britannia refuses, and the Gallic warriors leave without note.
461-475: The reign of Cynebald is a time of extensive peace and prosperity. Londonium becomes a hub of trade as the Roman Empire begins to collapse. In 474 AD, Cynebald and the elective lords formally vote to establish the Britannicum Imperium (British Empire), ruled from Londonium. Their control over the British Isles is now absolute.
September 476: The fall of Rome occurs. Cynebald is shocked at this revelation and prevents British involvement in the continent, he does not want to draw the ire of the Goths or Latins.
by Unicario » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:26 am
by Bojikami » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:34 pm
by Ruridova » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:53 pm
by Ruridova » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:18 pm
HISTORY OF THE BULGAR PEOPLES (warning: this is still very much a rough draft/work in progress, and all dates are fluid)
700s BCE: the Bulgars(Bulgar: Bolqaryin) emerge as a distinct Turkic people living in what is OTL Mongolia; they follow a unique religion, Itmanism(from the word "itman", meaning "faith"), focused around a warrior-trickster god(Ukhavcili) and a goddess of prosperity and fertility(Qerembolor).
552 BCE: the Bulgars are exiled for heresy by Bumin Illig Qhagan of the Gokturks. Led by Boyikhchan Khaliyesi, they begin to cross the steppes. Boyikhchan Khaliyesi declares himself Khagan(Haqaan) of the Bulgars, and decrees that further kings shall be elected by the Kurultai(Qurultayin), a collection of Bulgar warriors and nobles(which, in Bulgar society, are roughly the same). A caste system develops: on the top, the priests; in the middle, the warriors; on the bottom, everyone else. The bottom caste has three subcastes: merchants and artisans, farmers and laborers, and slaves and servants.
436 BCE: Under Qiravci Khoyorci Haqaan, the Bulgars finally reach what is OTL the Novorossiya region of Ukraine; they name it Bulgaria(Bolqaryca). The Bulgars also first appear in Roman writings, as the Bulgarii.
311 BCE: Deivasci Ihmalsev Haqaan begins Bulgar expansion. They take OTL Romania, Crimea, Ukraine, Abkhazia, southern Russia, and Bulgaria within the century; the Bulgars largely settle in these regions.
275 BCE: Khubret Lazdineriig Haqaan decides to create a new script for the Bulgars; he takes the Syriac abjad and makes it into an alphabet that works with Bulgar. He mandates that, from now on, the Bulgars use the script.
90s CE: The Bulgars, under Sherenlitai Tusgalduulsan Haqaan, encounter the Huns. An attempt in 91 to invade Bulgar territory fails drastically for the Huns, who instead opt for easier prey to the north. The Romans attempt to take Dacia and Moesia(both under Bulgar rule); the attempt is a humiliating failure.
178 CE: Qanichin Aldaasizluq Haqaan is assassinated by Evcelki Nertirhasi, another noble, the day after Qanichin's election to the title by the Qurultayin. Evcelki is elected Haqaan, and begins to initiate Bulgar raids on the aging Roman Empire. Philippopolis, Adrianople, and Naissus are all repeatedly subjected to attacks by the Bulgars.
241 CE: Khuvirste Isiqin Haqaan becomes a Manichaean; much of the realm follows suit. Many Bulgars abandon their traditional Itmanism for Manichaeism, and Itmanism begins to die out.
269 CE: Sapikir Ekhlekiq Haqaan is elected, and reveals himself to be an Itmanist, not a Manichaean, and he begins attempting to restore Itmanism by thrusting Manichaeans from power and replacing them with Itmanists. Most notably, he decrees that Manichaeans cannot participate in the Qurultayin, which leads to a string of Itmanists ruling the country again.
274 CE: Mani, the founder of Manichaeism, dies in Persia. A Manichaean priest named Teqib Khavidletmek declares himself to be successor to Mani, establishing the Bulgar Manichaean Church.
314 CE: Khamunin Qetilyik Haqaan, the final Itmanist Haqaan, is assassinated by Tanrusakh Qayitmek, a Manichaean warrior. Tanrusakh Qayitmek and the armies of many other Manichaean Bulgars forces the Qurultayin to allow Manichaeans to participate alongside Itmanists. Tanrusakh Qayitmek is elected Haqaan, and reverses the measures passed to try and quash Manichaeism, replacing them with the persecution of Itmanists and the establishment of the Bulgar Manichaean Church as the state religion, sealing the fate of the Bulgars' traditional religion.
368 CE: The Bulgars, under Kheylev Dhuroveti Haqaan, switch from raiding Rome to taking its land. Soon, the Bulgars have reached the Adriatic and Aegean Seas, devastating and humiliating Rome. All the blue-colored territory on this map is now under Bulgar control.
450 CE: The Huns return with a venegance, but Qalip Yagachni Haqaan repels Attila, forcing him to turn his attention on what remains of Rome. The Roman Empire collapses.
~480 CE: The incompetent Serkhrike Becersegui Haqaan causes the empire to lose some border regions to Rus and other neighboring kingdoms. His two sons, Buyuukuglu Becersegui and Khuuchik Becersegui, kill their father and divide the empire into two sections. The Qurultayin does not decide who his successor is, the first time in history this is the case; Buyuukuglu Becersegui declares himself Haqaan of Western Bulgaria(Qerbatuun Bolqaryca); Khuuchik Becersegui declares himself Haqaan of Eastern Bulgaria(Sherdoguun Bolqaryca). They vow that the Qurultayins of each country will pick their heirs, and that the two Bulgarias shall remain "united as brother nations".
HISTORY OF BHARATA (warning: this is still very much a rough draft/work in progress, and all dates are fluid)
~33 CE: Isho ha-Nasrath, a poor carpenter from the Roman province of Judaea who is said to be the Messiah by his followers, is crucified by the Roman government of the province. According to Bharatan Christian tradition, he tells the Apostles of his impending death, and declares Shemayon Kepah to be his successor.
64 CE: Shemayon Kepah is crucified by the Roman Empire; according to Bharatan Christianity, he passes the leadership of the followers of the followers of Isho to Sha'ul ha-Tarsa. Sha'ul begins the process of separating the Jewish tradition and the tradition of the followers of Isho, who have now become the Christian church.
67 CE: Sha'ul ha-Tarsa is beheaded by the Roman Emperor Nero. According to Bharatan Christianity, he passes leadership of the church to Thoma Shliha, who has gone to preach Isho's teachings to the Dravidian and Aryan inhabitants of what will become Bharata. He calls for an end to India's caste system, which earns him the ire of the Tamil princes who control the area.
72 CE: The Tamil rulers attempt a mass slaughter of Thoma Shliha and his followers; Thoma and the early Bharatan Christians flee north to the principalities of Bengal. There, they successfully convert several princes, who swear allegiance to Thoma. Thoma begins using the Bengali transliteration of his name, Tamasa, instead of the original Aramaic.
74 CE: Led by the prince Kornoshushangko Mahimanbijeta(who adopts the Christian name Jana-Pabitrasnana Mahimanbijeta), the Bengali princes under Tamasa conquer the entirety of Bengal. Jana-Pabitrasnana becomes ruler of Bengal.
75 CE: On his deathbed, Tamasa declares Jana-Pabitrasnana to be his successor as head of the Christians, and declares that it will be his blood which will purify India. Jana-Pabitrasnana destroys the caste system in Bengal, and orders the armies of Bengal south towards the Tamil states of Kerala and Tamizh. The Tamil states are conquered, with Bengal now controlling most of India's eastern coast. Jana-Pabitrasnana now focuses on converting the population of the country to Christianity. He orders a set of Scriptures compiled, and serves both as secular and spiritual head of the country.
476 CE: Jana-Pabitrasnana III, the young and ambitious new ruler of Bengal, orders the expansion of Bengali rule across the subcontinent; he focuses on taking control on the rest of the southern part of the Indian subcontinent. The campaign is successful; Jana-Pabitrasnana III names himself the ruler of all Bharata, and begins to dream of conquering the entire world.
478 CE: Pitara Pala, Jana-Pabitrasnana III's younger brother and heir, convinces his brother that Bharata needs the funding that would come from control of the Straits of Melacca. Bharata's armies set off to seize control of Sumatra and Malaysia.
479 CE: Jana-Pabitrasnana III is severely wounded and rendered mentally incapable in battle, leaving him unfit to rule. Pitara Pala becomes regent. Pitara Pala continues the war for the Straits, and succeeds in creating a vassal kingdom named Selattanah, appointing a Christian Malay prince, Parameswara Makmur, to be its leader. Parameswara takes the Christian name Yusuf.
by Arkadum » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:22 pm
by Unicario » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:48 pm
Arkadum wrote:Can I make a claim on the Burgundians and Moors?
by Arkadum » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:49 pm
by Unicario » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:57 pm
by Arkadum » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:58 pm
Unicario wrote:Arkadum wrote:
Ok, how about Armenia, or perhaps a south Indian state?
South India is primarily under the control Bhartia. It's up to Ruridova if he will let you play a Princely state there. Armenia? Hmm, I think we can arrange that. It was marked as Arabic expansion, but I'd rather not be greedy. There's also a rump Byzantine state in Anatolia that's gotten beaten up by the Bulgars, you can play as most of the steppe nomads, there's the Visigoths and Vandals as well.
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