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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:56 am

Yes, CT&T. AT&T was founded in 1885 by Alexander Graham Bell in New York; so instead of it being AT&T (American Telephone and Telegraph) -- it's CT&T (Canadian Telephone and Telegraph). :p

Baby Bells:

Canadian Technologies Corporation (instead of Ameritech, 1983-present, reacquired by CT&T, now a subsidiary)
Canadian Technologies was created by the End of the Bell System, and confederated the Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan local Bell Companies together, thus creating a large "Midwestern Bloc" for CTC to operate from. During the 1980s and early 1990s, they were largely focused on expanding infrastructure for the emerging "internet" that was becoming more popular every year. In 1999, they were acquired by another company, which took the name CT&T.


Bell Atlantic/Verizon Communications (1983-present, renamed/refounded)
Verizon was established by the Bell System's demise; and saw the confederation of most of the "Eastern" chunks of the Bell System, which included small forays into Confederate lands -- namely the C&P Telephone Company, which provided telecom service to the District of Columbia, Maryland, Virginia and Delaware. The other subsidies that came under the control of Bell Atlantic in 1983, included the New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Ojashī Bell services as well -- however, in 1992, the Japanese government nationalized Ojashī Bell, as part of their "telecommunications consolidation efforts", which lead to the state-owned Imperial Telecommunications organization.

After merging with NYNEX in 1997, the two companies formed Verizon Communications, which is now one of the largest telecom companies in the Western World.


BellSouth (1983-present, Confederate-based)
Established by the Bell System's demise, BellSouth is a reasonably-sized telecom company in the Confederate States; and has a small network of assets. BellSouth itself is a landline provider, and a pay phone operator in many parts of the Confederate heartland. However, they also have subsidiaries in the form of YellowPages.com and Cingular Wireless. BellSouth is the strongest opponent of the reunification of the CT&T assets, and as consistently blocked attempts by the CT&T to buy out Confederate Bells.


NYNEX (1983-1997, merged into Verizon)
Served the New England and New York/Carteria region. Merged with Bell Atlantic in 1997 and became the other founding half of Verizon.

Pacific Telesis (1983-1992, nationalized by Empire of Japan)
The last remains of Ma Bell's powers in the Japanese Empire, Pacific Telesis inherited a sizable operation in the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, and in the Pacific Rim, running from Alaska to Centroamerica. However, out of the gate, Pacific Telesis fought tooth and nail against Japanese government interference, citing their concerns that they were price gouging innocent Japanese citizens. In 1992, after a legislative push by the outgoing Chancellor Sanders, Japan nationalized the majority of their telecommunications corporations and consolidated their holdings into one state-owned asset -- Imperial Telecommunications. Imperial Telecom became the dominating controller of Bell assets in Asia, and later sold all Confederate and Mexican assets to local Confederate companies, such as MCI Communications and Sprint Corporation.

Later, they spun off their assets in Centroamerica into Centroamerica Telecom (CT). They have kept their assets in Canada as a direct response to the revival of CT&T as an aggressive force; however, in Alaska, they formally spun off their assets there into Alaskan Telecom, which was nationalized in 1991 by the Bolshevik government of the Eurasian Soviet Republic.


CS West, Inc. (1983-2000, merged into Qwest (later CenturyLink))
CS West, Inc. was founded in 1983 as another Baby Bell, and was a notable player in the Rocky Mountains region of Canada and the Confederate States -- as a result, they had a notable amount of power for local telecom. However, in 2000, CS West, Inc., facing competition from domestic Confederate companies like MCI and Sprint in the West, nearly went bankrupt and ended up merging into Qwest, another Denver-based company.

However, in 2011, Qwest also merged, but this time into CenturyLink, one of the largest Confederate telecom providers. CenturyLink fully absorbed the CS West, Inc. assets, and soon traded them down the line all over the western Canadian plains and Confederate region for more money and investment by bankers and foreign investors, looking to diversify.


CS Midwestern Bell (1882-present, survived)
CS Midwestern Bell is the predominant Confederate telecom company in the central region of the country, primarily centralized in Texas. They have a dominant share of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas telecom, as well as Missouri and parts of Illinois. The CS Midwestern Bell empire is rather strong, and forms a solid opposition bloc to CenturyLink and BellSouth. All three companies generally compete dangerously for customers in cities where they are competitive.


Here's some info on what I'm talking about. And here is some info on the Bell Labs, who, ironically, today, is owned by Nokia. AT&T sold them off at some point, I suppose.
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Postby Unicario » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:21 am

I'm holding off any further explanation of the Baby Bells until I'm sure Ruri is okay with me creating Bells in the CSA.

EDIT: He can't really comment, so I'm hoping nothing I write makes him angry. In that case.
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"...the Venezuelans are very good at this sort of thing. I'm speaking to you from behind a pair of fake Ray-Bans, wearing a fake Armani jacket, carrying a fake Louis Vuitton bag, in which we find a fake iPad and a fake iPhone. And if we consult my fake Omega watch, we see that it's 2:35, probably, which means that it's time to pop into the fake Starbucks over there for a cup of fake coffee. It seems, then, that the expression 'copyright infringement' doesn't translate very well into Venezuelan Spanish."
- Jeremy Clarkson, former host of the British TV show Top Gear

"It's like David and Goliath, but I'm not sure who is David, and who is Goliath."
- Takeshi Kitano on Comedy Hour during the 2014 Czechoslovak War

"Yesterday, December 7, 1891; a date which will live in infamy, the Empire of Japan was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Confederate States of America..."
- Emperor Alexander addressing an emergency meeting of the Japanese Senate on December 8, 1891.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
- Incorrectly attributed to Joseph Blackburn, President of the CSA on December 8, 1891, real source unknown.

"You cannot invade the Japanese mainland. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
- Unknown Confederate military commander on Okinawa, 1892

"We welcome change and brotherhood, for we believe that freedom and brotherhood go together, that the advance of world peace can only strengthen the cause of human liberty. There is one sign the German government can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. Chancellor Kohl, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Holy Roman Empire and its allies of Hungary and Denmark, if you seek reconciliation, come here to this gate. Chancellor Kohl, open this gate. Chancellor Kohl, tear down this wall!

As I looked out a moment ago from the town hall, looking towards Bratislava just across the Iron Curtain, I noticed words crudely spray-painted upon the wall, perhaps by a young German. It said, 'This wall will fall. Beliefs become reality.' Yes, across Central Europe, this wall will fall. For it cannot withstand fraternity; it cannot withstand truth. This wall cannot withstand freedom."

- Ronald Reagan, 1987, speaking in the German town of Kittsee, near the Czechoslovak border

"We, the People of the Empire of Japan, hold these truths to be self-evident, that all humans, of all creeds, races, colors and faiths are equal, and are invested by their creator with the capacity to great good, and great evil, and the capacity to know right from wrong, therefore their sovereign right to personal liberties shall never be infringed upon..."
- Preface to the Japanese Constitution, ratified 1789

"We, the People, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and ensure the blessings of liberty unto ourselves and our posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America."
- Preamble to the CS Constitution, ratified 1834

"The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
-Oleksandr Kostiuk, 1903

"Death solves all problems. No man, no problem."
"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
-Stanislav Pavlenko

"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them in parliament."
-Grigori Petrovsky, on western governments

"It is about time this "Axis of Evil" is dealt a good blow and is put back into their place."
-Horatius Agrioli, 1894

"The truth is that men are tired of liberty."
"Every anarchist is a baffled dictator."
-Benito Mussolini, 1901

"The socialist movement in Venezuela and the feeling of Pan-Latin-Americanism are inseparable."
-Che Guevara

"The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end."
-Antoni Belinsky, to Stanislav Pavlenko on the Balkan Wars.

"Saying you do not believe in the use of force is like saying you do not believe in gravity."
-Antoni Belinsky, 1891

"It is easy to romanticize poverty, to see poor people as inherently lacking agency and will. It is easy to strip them of human dignity, to reduce them to objects of pity. This has never been clearer than in the view of Africa from the American media, in which we are shown poverty and conflicts without any context."
"I am the hero of Africa."
-His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Amadi Nkruma, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Roman Empire in Africa in General and Chad in Particular

"The final solution to the infidel question is extermination. I shall rid the world of all others but Indonesian Muslims. Every nation shall burn under the mighty boots of Indonesia, and we shall rid the world of Japan, of China, of Britain, of Germany and of the Confederacy, the Islamic World shall be enlightened under one house!"
- Admiral Wahyu of Indonesia, 1958

"Today is truly a day of victory. A victory for not only the Russian people but a victory in the name of peace at last. I only wish Trotsky and Belinsky had lived to see this."
-Vladimir Lenin giving a speech in Moscow after the overthrow of the Republic by the communists, 1991.

"There is no such thing as the nation. There is only humanity. And if we do not come to understand this soon, then there will be no nations, because there will be no humanity."
- Confederate President Adlai Stevenson I, in 1906

"Whatever our beliefs, we must cherish three things above all: cooperation, tolerance, and righteousness. For these three values, there is no substitute."
- Hayim ben Tziyon, the Zionist Papers

"I want there to be two mottoes on this coat of arms you have given to me: above the shield, the words veritas vos liberabit, the truth will set you free, and below the shield, the words calamus gladio fortior, the pen is mightier than the sword. These are the words that I have lived by, and I hope those who come after me shall live by them as well."
- Georg von Licht, after being told that the Emperor of Germany was allowing the von Licht family a coat of arms, 1837

Revere the Empress, Expel The Barbarians!
- Rallying cry of the Syndicalist rebels, 1979

"I have graduated from the Georg von Licht School of Book-Writing."
- Rumite author Ludwig Eichemann, following the success of his book Along the Ehre

"The French Republic was not evil, nor was it a mistake, nor was it decadent or corrupt. It was ran by incompetence, and it will never return, for it has never worked for the French people."
- Ferdinand Foch, 1898

"Before us is none but Brennus, enemy of Rome, and destroyer of civilization. It is this brute and others like him that sought to drive this world back into the dark ages of eternal war. I make no further statement today other than 'Non auro, sed ferro, recuperanda est patria'."
-Benito Mussolini, at the execution of Gaius leFevre

"Jefferson told us of the door of liberty; Washington set out to find it; Scott showed us to it; Lee unlocked it; Blackburn opened it; Kennedy led us through."
- Confederate President Lyndon B. Johnson, 1964

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
- excerpt from the 1st Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson

"Peace, Land and Bread is our absolute goal, for every man, woman and child in France."
- Ferdinand Foch, December 25, 1897

"But life has a way of reminding you of big things through small incidents. Once, back before the Reconciliation, and during my time as Foreign Minister in the 1940s, I attended a summit in Washington D.C. I decided to break off from the entourage one afternoon to visit the shops near the Mall, where the great statues to the Martyred and Victorious Fathers stand.

Even though our visit was a surprise, every American there immediately recognized us, and called out my name and reached for my hand. I was just about swept away by the warmth - you could almost feel the possibilities in all that joy. But within seconds, an FBI detail pushed their way toward me and began pushing and shoving the people in the crowd. It was an interesting moment. It reminded me that while the man on the street in the Confederate States had yearned for peace and brotherhood, the Government was still - and those who run it were still reluctant to reach out their hand - and that means we and they view such issues as freedom and human rights very differently, and that still has not changed now, in 1975. 'Keep Up Our Guard', is something we must practice."

- Sakura Kamakura's final address to Japan as PM, 1975

"Stop sending people to kill me! We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle... If you don't stop sending killers, I'll go down to Moscow myself and make you feel regret for even being born."
-Antoni Belinsky to Alexander Kerensky, 1954

"I do not do things part-way. I finish every job handed before me, and believe me, I shall do my job well."
- Empress Rikugun (Masako) of Japan to her Geisha trainer, 1925

"The limitation of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win... hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Her Majesty proved that a monarch must be responsible to it's people, and must sacrifice their own luxuries and lavish life so that democracy may not perish."
- Unknown soldier in the Imperial Japanese Army, c. 1963

"I believe our old enemy, Joseph Blackburn, said it best. I paraphrase. Only through sacrifice and dedication can we ensure that any nation dedicated to democracy may long endure, that democracy shall never perish from this earth."
- Empress Masako, 1964

"I remember a poetic moment. After we took the ruins of Batavia, I remember Her Majesty hoisting the flag of Japan over the parliamentary house. The sight was magnanimous, if I may say so. The photo of the sun behind her was what I saw, and it was even stronger in person, than it was on a photograph. The crowd swelled into choruses of Umi Yukaba, but she silenced them and said, 'This is your victory, my soldiers. This was your triumph.'... all of us were floored at that. She was a hero, but she did not accept such honors, she gave that to her soldiers."
- Lt. Junichi Smith, recalling the Fall of Batavia in his memoirs.

"If I die for the Empire, it will not be a regret to me, for I know that I have died so that my daughters may be free, and my ancestor's spirits may rest peacefully. I do not fear death -- I shall conquer it."
- Empress Masako on the eve of the Battle of Batavia

"It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small."
- Neil Armstrong, Canadian astronaut and first man on the moon

"You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, 'Look at that, you son of a bitch.'"
- Edgar Mitchell, Confederate astronaut

"As I look out upon the great yonder of the stars, I often think of how petty it can all seem... war, trade disputes, conflicts, revolution. The universe is so vast and infinite, and we live on a but a needlehead."
- Ranko Yamato, first woman in space, first woman on the moon

"Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there- on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

- Japanese astronomer Carl Sagan, referencing a photograph taken by the CSA's Voyager 1 probe

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

"We must always remember that William Walker and George Wallace were Confederates. But we must never forget that Cesar Chavez and Martin Luther King were Confederates too."
- Confederate President Loretta Lynch, 2011

"I attended a funeral once in Pickens County in my state of Georgia. This funeral was peculiarly sad... They buried him in the midst of a marble quarry and cut through solid marble to make his grave, and yet the little tombstone they put above him was from Vermont. They buried him in the heart of a pine forest, and yet the pine coffin was imported from Cincinnati. They buried him within touch of an iron mine, and yet the nails in his coffin and the iron in the shovel that dug his grave were imported from Pittsburgh. They buried him by the side of the best sheep-grazing country on the earth, and yet the wool in the coffin bands and the coffin bands themselves were brought from Cleveland. The Confederacy didn’t furnish a thing on earth for that funeral but the corpse and the hole in the ground. There they put him away and the clods rattled down on his coffin, and they buried him in a New York coat and a Boston pair of shoes and a pair of breeches from Chicago and a shirt from Philadelphia, leaving him nothing to carry into the next world with him to remind him of the country in which he lived, and for which he once fought for, but the chill of blood in his veins and the marrow in his bones."
- Confederate journalist Henry W. Grady, 1889

"Naw, Jem, I think there's just one kind of folks. Folks."
- Confederate author Harper Lee, To Kill A Mockingbird


"I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the black man bearing slavery’s scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek-
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

....

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the black man, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today- O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I’m the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That’s made America the land it has become.
O, I’m the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home-
For I’m the one who left dark Ireland’s shore,
And Poland’s plain, and England’s grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa’s strand I came
To build a 'homeland of the free'.

The free?
Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we’ve dreamed
And all the songs we’ve sung
And all the hopes we’ve held
And all the flags we’ve hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay-
Except the dream that’s almost dead today.

O, let America be America again-
The land that never has been yet-
And yet must be- the land where every man is free.
The land that’s mine- the poor man’s, Indian’s, Negro’s, ME-
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose-
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people’s lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!"

- Confederate poet Langston Hughes, excerpted from Let America be America Again, 1936
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Postby Bojikami » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:03 am

That reminds me, I have to change some of these quotes. The dating for a few is off.

Also, I may be revising my Soviet leaders list. Trotsky might become General Secretary at some point.
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Postby Ruridova » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:20 am

Unicario wrote:
You sure? The two largest Catholic countries in Latin America and the world as a whole- Brazil and Mexico- are both mine, and neither of them is converting to your Shinto-Catholic hybrid theology.


Quite sure. Tawantinsuyu has a population and economic power that grossly exceeds that of Brazil; and Mexico is a balkanized puppet regime of the Confederacy.

The point still stands that Mexico and Brazil are very large parts of Latin America, whether you like it or not, and I will not in any circumstance tolerate you telling me how my nations act without my consent or input in any way, shape, or form.
1,300 years of intense theological rivalry being undone by a single alliance or marriage? If that's the case, then yeah, you're right. Any pretense of realism or sanity has gone right out the fucking window.


Yep. Fundamentally built upon the fact that secular realpolitik will often trump theological rivalry. It also takes only a few reformist-minded imams and Caliphs to push into action a grand reform and reunification. The Caliph of Sunni Islam and the leader of the varying Shiite groups in the Rumite and Iranian states, they all sit down, and agree to discuss compromises in the name of Allah and the Prophet. It's not an impossible gesture -- at least in this timeline. In the real world, yes, there is too much bad blood, radicalism, and general barbarianism. But in this TL, where Rum is a progressive civilization which has built a Turkish-themed Roman state; and Iran, a state that upholds it's ancestry as a Mongol Khanate, and it's heritage as Persia, not just Iraniraniran -- why can't they put aside the theological differences and reconcile?

Just as well, it doesn't mean that there won't be opposition to the idea -- not every Imam, Muslim and ideologue is going to convert to the new "compromise" faith. A lot of people will, but Sunni-Shiite issues are going to remain in the edge.

And I assume the secular realpolitik of progressive and democratic Western Europe, combined with the meetings between Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant clergy, is why IRL the Reformation and the Great Schism have since been undone and the Christian Church reunified?

Religion is composed of deeply-held and highly-valued moral and theological traditions. It's not something that changes easily for most people, and this is particularly true when the differences in question have been solidified by centuries of bad blood. Furthermore, religion is a very personal, emotional thing; applying the cold logical calculus of realpolitik to such an emotional issue won't really work.
EDIT: One of the main things about becoming an adult is that you realize that threatening to leave every time something crosses into something you're not entirely comfortable with is childish. I'm certain you'll learn this in time, but it's a pretty core tenement of the real world. Fundamentally speaking, while I value your contributions to this RP; I feel that you're largely acting unnecessary.

Excuse me? You were the one who was dictating to me how my nations would respond to your Alien Space Bats schism. When I mentioned this, you did go back and remove those sections of your post. However, instead of admitting to that mistake, you instead claimed you had never made it in the first place.

Meanwhile, you're the person making snide jabs, which makes it seem almost as if you're trying to provoke a hostile reaction from me.
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Ruridova » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:28 pm

I will admit that I'm short-tempered right now, for a variety of reasons. However, I explicitly recall that retconning the Catholic schism, and Orthodox and Islamic mergers, were conditions I insisted upon before returning, and to see them apparently going ahead anyways- and to have Unicario telling me what happens in my nations without my consent- is incredibly frustrating.
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
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Postby Unicario » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:32 pm

Ruridova wrote:I will admit that I'm short-tempered right now, for a variety of reasons. However, I explicitly recall that retconning the Catholic schism, and Orthodox and Islamic mergers, were conditions I insisted upon before returning, and to see them apparently going ahead anyways- and to have Unicario telling me what happens in my nations without my consent- is incredibly frustrating.


For point of fact I took back what I said about Quebec, and there's nothing else to be mentioned about your nations in my Christian thing.

Secondly, I explicitly came to you before I wrote up about the Confederate side of the Baby Bells -- The Canadian Bell/American Bell system was largely the sole telecom provider for much of the 19th and 20th centuries -- the Bell System was an uncontrollable monopoly, to the point where AT&T had to be broken up by the U.S. government in 1982. In this case, Canada does it for us, and the Bells shatter into pieces -- I simply extrapolated data from the RL Bell System and applied it across the North American landscape. It's an interesting topic, mind you. That, and how am I supposed to exactly know what your intricate thoughts were about telephone service in the Confederate States?

Note that I largely only shifted around names and changed the fate of one company.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:28 pm

Ruridova wrote:I will admit that I'm short-tempered right now, for a variety of reasons. However, I explicitly recall that retconning the Catholic schism, and Orthodox and Islamic mergers, were conditions I insisted upon before returning, and to see them apparently going ahead anyways- and to have Unicario telling me what happens in my nations without my consent- is incredibly frustrating.


I understand perfectly. I will keep Bell Canada as part of CT&T(and NLT&T until 1912), but I won't force the BTS on you if you don't want it.
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Postby Ruridova » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:47 pm

My problem isn't with the telecommunications. Unicario did actually consult with me on that one before saying anything, and quite frankly I don't know or care that much about the in-depth telecom situation. My problem was and is the religious schisms and mergers.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:55 pm

Ruridova wrote:My problem isn't with the telecommunications. Unicario did actually consult with me on that one before saying anything, and quite frankly I don't know or care that much about the in-depth telecom situation. My problem was and is the religious schisms and mergers.


As to that, I can't provide too much counsel apart from insisting that Uni not try to force you into anything you don't want to do. Some of the schisms do, admittedly, fit within the changed contexts of the countries that she runs while others might need to be dispensed with. I'll have to look through them sometime before I make a final decision.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:54 pm

Now, on to March, the start of the tour and the Irish Chaos, and then, on to June 1902 and Edward's near death before the Durbar!

BTW, by 1902, all the dominions have Universal suffrage with Australia granting it late in 1901, but Britain itself won't until 1905 when the Liberals under Ishikawa go back into power.
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So when should Ireland start going up in flames?
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Luziyca wrote:So when should Ireland start going up in flames?


Well, independence is in 1903, so I'll say September of '02 perhaps. Of course, you can light things up anytime before that if you'd like.
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Luziyca wrote:So when should Ireland start going up in flames?


Well, independence is in 1903, so I'll say September of '02 perhaps. Of course, you can light things up anytime before that if you'd like.

Okay.
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Allow me to note that I'm not really forcing these religion schisms on anyone -- I mean, Catholicism remains Catholicism, but I'm saying that the evisceration of the Church has lead to growing regionalism -- a very real symptom of church devolution. With the Papal State gone and no Holy See to govern the Church, whom takes orders from whom? The Catholic faith could remain strong in the hearts of many, but we'd see the devolution of the Roman Catholic church into various state churches.

But under no circumstances is adherence to my religious off-shoots required. I don't know where it was implied that they are. And your American faiths (Mormonism, Baptism, etc.) are mentioned because they're Christian faiths, I was going to list them because they're part of Christianity as off-shoots. :/
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Postby Ruridova » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:46 pm

Unicario wrote:Allow me to note that I'm not really forcing these religion schisms on anyone -- I mean, Catholicism remains Catholicism, but I'm saying that the evisceration of the Church has lead to growing regionalism -- a very real symptom of church devolution. With the Papal State gone and no Holy See to govern the Church, whom takes orders from whom? The Catholic faith could remain strong in the hearts of many, but we'd see the devolution of the Roman Catholic church into various state churches.

If the schisms are canon, I plan on most of my nations turning towards the tried-and-true practice of an anti-papacy, possibly based anywhere from Cologne to Mexico City. I don't plan on forming a million smaller national churches.
But under no circumstances is adherence to my religious off-shoots required. I don't know where it was implied that they are. And your American faiths (Mormonism, Baptism, etc.) are mentioned because they're Christian faiths, I was going to list them because they're part of Christianity as off-shoots. :/

Yes, and because most of those haven't really been affected by the changes- or the effects have been well-enumerated by myself previously- I'm not concerned, really, about those. But with Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Islam, RL is being thrown out the window, and I want to determine what happens.
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Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:Allow me to note that I'm not really forcing these religion schisms on anyone -- I mean, Catholicism remains Catholicism, but I'm saying that the evisceration of the Church has lead to growing regionalism -- a very real symptom of church devolution. With the Papal State gone and no Holy See to govern the Church, whom takes orders from whom? The Catholic faith could remain strong in the hearts of many, but we'd see the devolution of the Roman Catholic church into various state churches.

If the schisms are canon, I plan on most of my nations turning towards the tried-and-true practice of an anti-papacy, possibly based anywhere from Cologne to Mexico City. I don't plan on forming a million smaller national churches.
But under no circumstances is adherence to my religious off-shoots required. I don't know where it was implied that they are. And your American faiths (Mormonism, Baptism, etc.) are mentioned because they're Christian faiths, I was going to list them because they're part of Christianity as off-shoots. :/

Yes, and because most of those haven't really been affected by the changes- or the effects have been well-enumerated by myself previously- I'm not concerned, really, about those. But with Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Islam, RL is being thrown out the window, and I want to determine what happens.


The anti-Papacy is just as good. The Nicene Church has not much at all to do with the Catholic Church, and is simply a "cohesion" of various rebellious Catholics and Orthodox in the eastern world.
Gallic Church is just a renamed version of Catholicism which favors charity more so than anything, and rejects Papal Supremacy.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:50 am

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:If the schisms are canon, I plan on most of my nations turning towards the tried-and-true practice of an anti-papacy, possibly based anywhere from Cologne to Mexico City. I don't plan on forming a million smaller national churches.

Yes, and because most of those haven't really been affected by the changes- or the effects have been well-enumerated by myself previously- I'm not concerned, really, about those. But with Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Islam, RL is being thrown out the window, and I want to determine what happens.


The anti-Papacy is just as good. The Nicene Church has not much at all to do with the Catholic Church, and is simply a "cohesion" of various rebellious Catholics and Orthodox in the eastern world.
Gallic Church is just a renamed version of Catholicism which favors charity more so than anything, and rejects Papal Supremacy.
Sanguinist/Syncretic Shinto-Christian is limited to Japan's sphere of influence. No more, no less.


Until 1936, when Canada threatens to pull itself from the Anglican Communion and embrace Sanguinism, mostly as a form of political brinkmanship. Sangunist Christianity will have a small but robust following on Canada's west coast.
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Shrillland wrote:
Unicario wrote:
The anti-Papacy is just as good. The Nicene Church has not much at all to do with the Catholic Church, and is simply a "cohesion" of various rebellious Catholics and Orthodox in the eastern world.
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Until 1936, when Canada threatens to pull itself from the Anglican Communion and embrace Sanguinism, mostly as a form of political brinkmanship. Sangunist Christianity will have a small but robust following on Canada's west coast.


Everyone in Japan: "u wot m8!?"

Then again, I'm not very surprised. Canada does sit wedged between Japan's sphere of influence and Britain's. It's no surprise that Japan's cultural influences in the Pacific Rim would rub off on them, considering they've even had an influence on their sworn frenemies, the Confederates.

I assume that this event is caused by the ascent of Edward VIII as King of the United Kingdom -- but isn't Wallis Simpson Canadian ATL? Or is he going to pursue a Confederate instead? :p
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You know what's the strangest thing? I was at work last night, and I had the idea there being a both live-action and historical footage film being made in the late 1980s in the Japanese Empire, where it juxtaposes events from Japan's history with British, Canadian, Confederate and "Anglo-Japanese" music. It'd be interesting. :p

The Beatles - Mother Nature's Son - Emperor Jimmu understanding his divinity -- The Beatles are English.
Simon and Garfunkel - Mrs. Robinson - Emperor Alexander's affairs with the Turkish Sultana -- Simon is Canadian, Garfunkel is Ojashiijin
Queen - Princes of the Universe - Go-Daigo vs. The Shogun -- Mercury was born in British India, the rest of Queen are English.
The Buggles - Video Killed The Radio Star - Start of the Age of Television -- The Buggles are English.
Aerosmith - Living on the Edge - Growing chaos of the Indonesian War -- Aerosmith are Canadian.
Jimi Hendrix Experience - All Along The Watchtower - Japanese invasion of Java -- Jimi Hendrix is Canadian.
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Bad Moon Rising - Nuclear attack on Mecca / Assassination of President Kennedy / Confederate invasion of Java and Guinea -- CCR is Confederate.
Pink Floyd - Welcome to the Machine - Prelude to the Rose Revolution
Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall - Outbreak of the Rose Revolution
etc. etc.

It would be very fascinating if something like this existed IRL. :p
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:36 am

Unicario wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Until 1936, when Canada threatens to pull itself from the Anglican Communion and embrace Sanguinism, mostly as a form of political brinkmanship. Sangunist Christianity will have a small but robust following on Canada's west coast.


Everyone in Japan: "u wot m8!?"

Then again, I'm not very surprised. Canada does sit wedged between Japan's sphere of influence and Britain's. It's no surprise that Japan's cultural influences in the Pacific Rim would rub off on them, considering they've even had an influence on their sworn frenemies, the Confederates.

I assume that this event is caused by the ascent of Edward VIII as King of the United Kingdom -- but isn't Wallis Simpson Canadian ATL? Or is he going to pursue a Confederate instead? :p


Oh, she is indeed Canadian, but it wasn't her country of birth that led to the abdication, it was her divorce, and that still stands. When Baldwin and the other Prime Ministers meet to confront King Edward, FDR will go so far as to say-with Baldwin's prior consent since neither of them believe it will actually come to this-that if he insists on marrying her, then Canada cannot continue to follow the Church of England in even a symbolic gesture(Canada is disestablished in all but name at this point), and will instead consider following Meiji since there are a large number a followers in the West. Australia will make similar threats after Edward practically tells them to drop dead...which he actually did IRL.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:57 pm

In regards to the Dublin Papacy, the last Pope would probably resign in 1982 because of the political situation in Ireland, and advocate that the next Pope be chosen from the anti-Papacy.
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Thinking about it, given that most of my Catholic nations will be turning to the Papacy in Cologne, whereas really only Ireland turns to the Papacy in Dublin, wouldn't it be the Cologne Papacy that's the true Papacy and the Dublin Papacy that's the anti-Papacy?

Because the combined Catholic population of Brazil, Mexico, Aztlan, the CSA, Quebec, Vasconia, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Denmark, Norway, etc. is significantly larger than the population of Ireland, so a majority of the world's Catholic faithful and clergy will consider the Cologne Papacy the true Papacy and the Dublin Papacy the anti-papacy.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:02 pm

Ruridova wrote:Thinking about it, given that most of my Catholic nations will be turning to the Papacy in Cologne, whereas really only Ireland turns to the Papacy in Dublin, wouldn't it be the Cologne Papacy that's the true Papacy and the Dublin Papacy that's the anti-Papacy?

Because the combined Catholic population of Brazil, Mexico, Aztlan, the CSA, Quebec, Vasconia, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Denmark, Norway, etc. is significantly larger than the population of Ireland, so a majority of the world's Catholic faithful and clergy will consider the Cologne Papacy the true Papacy and the Dublin Papacy the anti-papacy.

But if the Pope flees to Ireland... wouldn't that be considered the true Papacy?
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