Namorese presidential debate.
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by Luziyca » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:14 pm
by Ruridova » Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:12 pm
by Luziyca » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:00 am
by Ruridova » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:39 am
Luziyca wrote:To be fair, I haven't made an AWWA reference in over a few months in Esquarium.
by Ruridova » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:13 pm
by Luziyca » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:14 pm
by Luziyca » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:04 pm
by Ruridova » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:07 pm
by Luziyca » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:15 pm
Ruridova wrote:
really
really luz
i tell you not to do something so you find an oblique loophole and do that
jfc you're frustrating
by Shrillland » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:21 am
by Unicario » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:36 pm
by Unicario » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:37 pm
Shrillland wrote:Well, with things relatively inactive, I was thinking we should jump ahead to March. I was going to go to '02, but there's something that starts in March of '01 that needs to be addressed beforehand: The rise of the falangists in Ireland.
by Luziyca » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:51 pm
Unicario wrote:
Right up until the "Emperor overthrows the Shogunate, and the Shogun overthrows the Emperor" thingy, I love it. After that I'd have to rewrite the whole damn thing.
by Unicario » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:39 am
by Shrillland » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:31 pm
Unicario wrote:
Taiwan is not a country. Formosa is a sovereign province of the Empire of Japan.
Also: I wonder how the Bush War will go when Japan intervenes to protect Ian Douglas-Smith's government. Japan wouldn't want Rhodesia to collapse as it would set the precedent for African militants to start a civil war in Mozambique and Ethiopia. So Japan would probably intervene against the nationalist militias, and commit to be the arbiter of a peace agreement. After the CAF/Rhodesia-Nyasaland fails in the 60s, Japan would be extremely interested in the on-goings of the situation at hand, and then would recognize Rhodesia's independence in 1965 (most countries didn't because it was unilateral), and would then back it over the militias; and largely attempt to secure a ceasefire/peace agreement/victory.
But they'd probably not put up with apartheid -- in fact, they'd down right loathe it, to the extent of embargoing South Africa until South Africa agrees to a power-sharing plan and/or releases Nelson Mandela. And if Japanese citizens are discriminated against, well... let's just say Vladimir Putin's Japanese cousin has some ideas.
by Unicario » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:07 pm
Shrillland wrote:Unicario wrote:
Taiwan is not a country. Formosa is a sovereign province of the Empire of Japan.
Also: I wonder how the Bush War will go when Japan intervenes to protect Ian Douglas-Smith's government. Japan wouldn't want Rhodesia to collapse as it would set the precedent for African militants to start a civil war in Mozambique and Ethiopia. So Japan would probably intervene against the nationalist militias, and commit to be the arbiter of a peace agreement. After the CAF/Rhodesia-Nyasaland fails in the 60s, Japan would be extremely interested in the on-goings of the situation at hand, and then would recognize Rhodesia's independence in 1965 (most countries didn't because it was unilateral), and would then back it over the militias; and largely attempt to secure a ceasefire/peace agreement/victory.
But they'd probably not put up with apartheid -- in fact, they'd down right loathe it, to the extent of embargoing South Africa until South Africa agrees to a power-sharing plan and/or releases Nelson Mandela. And if Japanese citizens are discriminated against, well... let's just say Vladimir Putin's Japanese cousin has some ideas.
Well, I'd already planned on Southern Rhodesia playing a part in the Fifty Days War, Smith was one of the four targets for assassination that CSIS and the ANC try to orchestrate in an attempt to remove racist governments while remaining friendly to the Commonwealth.
by Shrillland » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:28 pm
Unicario wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Well, I'd already planned on Southern Rhodesia playing a part in the Fifty Days War, Smith was one of the four targets for assassination that CSIS and the ANC try to orchestrate in an attempt to remove racist governments while remaining friendly to the Commonwealth.
Hmm, in that case, I'll defer to your canon, surely; but I will interject that Japan may be agitated by the whole affair. While Mozambique is an independent state by the 1960s, it is still a Japanese dominion, and Japan feels that the rise of xenophobia in Southern Africa may force Mozambique into a state of emergency.
by Unicario » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:35 am
Shrillland wrote:Unicario wrote:
Hmm, in that case, I'll defer to your canon, surely; but I will interject that Japan may be agitated by the whole affair. While Mozambique is an independent state by the 1960s, it is still a Japanese dominion, and Japan feels that the rise of xenophobia in Southern Africa may force Mozambique into a state of emergency.
Well, the ultimate plan is for Southern Rhodesia to receive independence as Zimbabwe, Natalia to become a Japanese protectorate until the end of Apartheid and the dissolution of the Zulu Bantustan as a consequence.
by Ruridova » Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:32 pm
by Bojikami » Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:36 pm
Ruridova wrote:So, one question... does what we call "modern music" really exist on the same scale ATL?
That may seem silly at first, but let me explain:
OTL, most modern music derives in some form from more traditional African and European styles. The mixture of blues, descended from slave spirituals, with European march music led to the rise of jazz. The further mixture of jazz with country and R&B elements led to the rise of rock 'n roll, which evolved into rock music and its subgenres- punk, progressive, alternative, et cetera. Pop, electronic, and hip-hop themselves evolved from rock infused with various other concepts and instrumentations. These mixtures of African and European styles, leading to the rise of these genres took place mostly within the United States, where European- and African- derived cultures both existed; they gained their global prominence because of American geopolitical and cultural clout.
ATL, however, there is no United States, and neither Canada nor the Confederacy has the cultural dominance of the OTL United States. While the simultaneous presence of whites and blacks exists in both countries- probably more so in the CSA than Canada, though a Great Migration may have occurred ATL and OTL, allowing for large black communities in Detroit, Chicago, and New York- they lack the global dominance of the USA. Without that global dominance, are jazz, rock, pop, and rap all just North American, and not global, phenomena? Without a culturally dominant US, is there a British Invasion? Are there genres like K-pop and J-pop? Or is what we consider most all of modern music just a Confederate/Canadian cultural oddity ATL?
by Unicario » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:28 pm
by Luziyca » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:56 pm
by Bojikami » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:54 pm
by Unicario » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:40 am
Luziyca wrote:In China, the late 19th century and early 20th century would see Chinese music being melded with Japanese music, but after WW2, China basically collapses, and so it would not really be able to do much. During the 1940s to the 1970s, traditional Chinese music was emphasized, with nationalist messages. Now, China is desperately playing catch up, but it will never rise again.
The East may be red, but it is Japan, not China.
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