AWWA-Yesterday, Today, and Forever(OOC-Closed)

by **Unicario** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:17 pm

EXPERTS BAFFLED -- HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF DIARIES SHOW COMMON HALLUCINATION OF EMPRESS MEIJI?

^ Inevitable headline sometime in the future

by **Ruridova** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:44 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Quick note: the main criterion I'm looking at to see which RL American politicians are ATL Confederate politicians is whether the state they were born in is a Confederate state, not the state they became a famous politician in.

Good examples: Rick Santorum and Elizabeth Warren rose to prominence representing the states of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, but were born in Virginia and Oklahoma, and are thus listed as Confederate. There are presently two exceptions that I've made to this rule- Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada already and his parents wouldn't be fleeing Fidel because ATL Fidel is a baseball star, and Hillary Clinton because it would be a bit odd for the wife of a Confederate president to be a Canadian politician.

This does mean I've dropped my claims to the Kennedeys(Massachusetts), the Bushes(Connecticut, though Jeb was born in Texas so that might be something to discuss), and Obama(born in Hawaii).

On a largely unrelated note, congratulations, Unicario, if Japanese Long Island is still a thing, because you are now the proud ATL owner of Bernie Sanders(born in Brooklyn) and the not-so-proud owner of Donald Trump(born in Queens). May your politics be ever-interesting.

Are you sure you want to give up Obama? I was willing to let him stay yours; particularly considering his mother is still American; he'd just be a dual citizen.

You can have him. Given that his college education was in New York City, and his political career was in Chicago, if he's coming to North America he's probably going to be a Canadian politician.

by **Ruridova** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:15 pm

CONFEDERATE ELECTIONS
Basic information on every election for the Presidency of the Confederate States of America

(Intervening elections coming soon!)

by **Unicario** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:37 pm

Bernard Sanders is a Amerikanjin elder statesman, and served as the President of the Provisional Council of the Japanese People during and following the 1980-1981 Rose Revolution. He served as Japanese Chancellor from 1981 to 1990.

John MacLeod is an Amerikanjin politician and businessman, and served as Chancellor of Japan from 1999 to 2008 as a member of the Social Democratic party. He is the owner of MacLeod Company, and owns things such as MacLeod Tower, and MacLeod Plaza, etc.

Barack Obama Jr. will either be Governor of Hawaii, or he'll be one of the Presidents of Kenya (depending on if Shrill still wants the Kenya mandate after China's defeat.)

About me · by **Luziyca** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:53 pm

Unicario wrote:EXPERTS BAFFLED -- HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF DIARIES SHOW COMMON HALLUCINATION OF EMPRESS MEIJI?

^ Inevitable headline sometime in the future

Not if the Republican regime burns all copies of his diaries.

by **Unicario** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:12 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Unicario wrote:EXPERTS BAFFLED -- HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF DIARIES SHOW COMMON HALLUCINATION OF EMPRESS MEIJI?

^ Inevitable headline sometime in the future

Not if the Republican regime burns all copies of his diaries.

I suppose without the Kuomintang around (since they'd be excluded from the Chinese Revolution), more bloodthirsty folk could come to power.

by **Ruridova** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:14 pm

Where's the most recent version of the map?

About me · by **Luziyca** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:47 pm

Unicario wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Not if the Republican regime burns all copies of his diaries.

I suppose without the Kuomintang around (since they'd be excluded from the Chinese Revolution), more bloodthirsty folk could come to power.

True, though the Emperor was probably forced by Japan to abdicate and dissolve the Empire and replace it with a Republic. Sun Yat-sen could have written the constitution, and Yuan Shikai became the first President...

Didn't end well.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:07 pm

CHINA - founded 221 BC but leaders won't be listed prior to 1820

GUYANE - founded 1797

CRIMEA - founded 1839 (assuming Ukraine or Rum doesn't take it over again)

GREENLAND - founded 1900

IRELAND - founded 1903

by **Bojikami** » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:32 pm

I'll probably get up a post soon, whether it be here or on the IC.

by **Unicario** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:41 pm

Chiang Kai-shek is leader of the Kuomintang in 1942 => William Jiang is the Chancellor of Japan in 1942.
Sun Yat-Sen was the first President of China (1912) => James Sun is a former Chancellor of Japan, and is an old man, and a diplomat.
Wang Jingwei is a collaborationist leader of China-Nanjing in 1942. => Alexander Wang is the Governor of the Hebei Mandate (Beijing/Tianjin/that area).
Isoroku Yamamoto is an IJN Admiral about to engage against the USN in Guadacanal in the coming weeks => Isoroku Yamamoto is a former Chancellor, and an Admiral in charge of the Home Fleet.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:40 pm

Ruridova wrote:Where's the most recent version of the map?

No idea, really.

by **Bojikami** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:04 pm

Full list of nations I currently have: (Implying no changes occur)

Ukraine

Romania

Venezuela

Italy

Greater Nigeria

Chad

Ilkhanate

Russia

About me · by **Luziyca** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:27 pm

Boji, for the Ukraine, you forgot Crimean Tatar, since IIRC, Crimea's going to you.

by **Bojikami** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:54 pm

Luziyca wrote:Boji, for the Ukraine, you forgot Crimean Tatar, since IIRC, Crimea's going to you.

Ah, thanks for reminding me.

by **Unicario** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:23 pm

End of World War II (1919) -- latest map. I changed the colour palette significantly, many nations now have different colours. I also have made a differentiation between Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and the British Raj, from the UK + immediate colonies. As well, I have coloured Tibet and Mongolia as "vassal states" of the Raj and Russia respectively; this is done to free up any colors for future nations.

Also: TVTropes.

by **Unicario** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:08 pm

Feel the Bern, guys.

by **Bojikami** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:00 am

Perhaps after the funeral, a time skip to 1900 would be in order?

by **Shrillland** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:42 am

Bojikami wrote:Perhaps after the funeral, a time skip to 1900 would be in order?

That's fine with me...or we could just do it now, it's already May and the funerals should be well done by now.

by **Unicario** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:12 pm

World War II will be one of the most confusing wars ever. Have you guys seen the alliance blocs?

Quadruple Entente (Fascists; anti-German)
Mitteleuropa (Germany + her sphere of influence)
Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (Japan + her dominions/sphere of influence - Tawantinsuyu and Rum as well)
Commonwealth Realms (Britain + her dominions and sphere of influence)
Intermarium (Czechoslovakia/Poland/Baltics/etc; anti-German)
Unnamed Sino-Confederate Alliance (anti-Japanese)
The Tripartite of Liberty (anti-Confederate alliance between Tawantinsuyu, Venezuela and Guyane)

There's always the question of where the Dutch are gonna go; They aren't guaranteed to align with much of anybody; they're pinned between the Commonwealth Realms, the Entente, and the Mitteleuropa powers. There's no real "exit strategy" for the Dutch besides neutrality.

There's also the Russians who are a wildcard; they currently have no fealty to any power bloc, but they're certainly a strong-ass wildcard.

by **Shrillland** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:15 pm

Unicario wrote:World War II will be one of the most confusing wars ever. Have you guys seen the alliance blocs?

Quadruple Entente (Fascists; anti-German)
Mitteleuropa (Germany + her sphere of influence)
Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (Japan + her dominions/sphere of influence)
Commonwealth Realms (Britain + her dominions and sphere of influence)
Intermarium (Czechoslovakia/Poland/Baltics/etc; anti-German)
Unnamed Sino-Confederate Alliance (anti-Japanese)

There's always the question of where the United Republics of Centroamerica, Venezuela, Nigeria, among other places, all fall in the alliance system.

Well, ultimately it'll boil down to two superblocs like the First War, yet it will be caused by the actions of a single nations like the second.

by **Unicario** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:18 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Unicario wrote:World War II will be one of the most confusing wars ever. Have you guys seen the alliance blocs?

Quadruple Entente (Fascists; anti-German)
Mitteleuropa (Germany + her sphere of influence)
Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (Japan + her dominions/sphere of influence)
Commonwealth Realms (Britain + her dominions and sphere of influence)
Intermarium (Czechoslovakia/Poland/Baltics/etc; anti-German)
Unnamed Sino-Confederate Alliance (anti-Japanese)

There's always the question of where the United Republics of Centroamerica, Venezuela, Nigeria, among other places, all fall in the alliance system.

Well, ultimately it'll boil down to two superblocs like the First War, yet it will be caused by the actions of a single nations like the second.

I'm not sure that's a guarantee. Nations like Japan, who have little stake in the European feud between Germany and the fascists, may abstain from declaring war on the Quadruple Entente unless treaties are invoked (see: the Entente attacking the British Empire). Japan has no quarrel with the fascists, and has no reason to declare war unless Britain invokes the clauses in the alliance treaties they've signed since the dark ages.

We're shaping up for it to be something like:

Entente + Intermarium + Sino-Confederates vs. GEACPS + Commonwealth Realms + Mitteleuropa + Tripartite of Liberty + ???.

by **Ruridova** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:31 pm

Unicario wrote:World War II will be one of the most confusing wars ever. Have you guys seen the alliance blocs?

Quadruple Entente (Fascists; anti-German)
Mitteleuropa (Germany + her sphere of influence)
Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (Japan + her dominions/sphere of influence - Tawantinsuyu and Rum as well)
Commonwealth Realms (Britain + her dominions and sphere of influence)
Intermarium (Czechoslovakia/Poland/Baltics/etc; anti-German)
Unnamed Sino-Confederate Alliance (anti-Japanese)
The Tripartite of Liberty (anti-Confederate alliance between Tawantinsuyu, Venezuela and Guyane)

There's always the question of where the Dutch are gonna go; They aren't guaranteed to align with much of anybody; they're pinned between the Commonwealth Realms, the Entente, and the Mitteleuropa powers. There's no real "exit strategy" for the Dutch besides neutrality.

There's also the Russians who are a wildcard; they currently have no fealty to any power bloc, but they're certainly a strong-ass wildcard.

I'm really not sure what to do with Brazil. Brazil strongly dislikes the nations in the Tripartite of Liberty(which have taken or tried to take Brazilian land), and they like the Confederacy, but I'm not sure if they're sufficiently tied in with the alliance network to get involved.

by **Unicario** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:29 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:World War II will be one of the most confusing wars ever. Have you guys seen the alliance blocs?

Quadruple Entente (Fascists; anti-German)
Mitteleuropa (Germany + her sphere of influence)
Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (Japan + her dominions/sphere of influence - Tawantinsuyu and Rum as well)
Commonwealth Realms (Britain + her dominions and sphere of influence)
Intermarium (Czechoslovakia/Poland/Baltics/etc; anti-German)
Unnamed Sino-Confederate Alliance (anti-Japanese)
The Tripartite of Liberty (anti-Confederate alliance between Tawantinsuyu, Venezuela and Guyane)

There's always the question of where the Dutch are gonna go; They aren't guaranteed to align with much of anybody; they're pinned between the Commonwealth Realms, the Entente, and the Mitteleuropa powers. There's no real "exit strategy" for the Dutch besides neutrality.

There's also the Russians who are a wildcard; they currently have no fealty to any power bloc, but they're certainly a strong-ass wildcard.

I'm really not sure what to do with Brazil. Brazil strongly dislikes the nations in the Tripartite of Liberty(which have taken or tried to take Brazilian land), and they like the Confederacy, but I'm not sure if they're sufficiently tied in with the alliance network to get involved.

Tawantinsuyu certainly doesn't care much about Brazil at this stage.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Guyane would not, unless if Brazil tries to retake the parts of Amapa that Guyane acquired.

Since Amapa's capital OTL Macapa probably falls under Guyanese control, I might rename it to "Ville des Dames", or the City of the Ladies in reference to the mythological Amazons, and would probably be the second largest city in the country after Pichegru, and ahead of Georgetown/Ville de Guerrier Marat.

And now, I have an urge to at some point do something with the Peoples Temple. Maybe it could be a radical sect of the Temple of Reason...

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