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by Bojikami » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:41 pm
by Shrillland » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:23 pm
by Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:29 pm
Bojikami wrote:Following the Great War, Ukraine-Romania will establish a pan-slavic alliance.
by Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:47 pm
Unicario wrote:Golda Meir will be one of Rum's most ardent anti-Zionists, same with Benjamin Netanyahu.
by Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:53 pm
Could foreign Jews be arrested for being Zionist? Because I could see that causing some serious trouble in terms of international relations.
Only if they do something illegal, like advocate the overthrow of the Empire, commit larsony, murder, assault, etc. etc -- Public support of Zionism is considered sedition and most foreigners who are arrested for are usually deported back to their home countries. Though for a period after the Zionist Revolt, the Rumite Empire put a suspension of Jewish immigration or pilgrimage into Palestine until the early 1960s, only repealed at Golda Meir's insistence as Grand Vizier.
The Jews of Rum don't like Zionism because they see it as other cultural varieties of Jews trying to impose their will on land that isn't theirs. They dislike Zionists because they feel that Zionists want to destroy their prosperity, as Jews have almost no restrictions imposed upon them. The Rumite Jews who had lived there for generations were extremely angry after the Zionist Revolt and made up about 80% of the people who committed violence against Jews in the aftermath. Rumite Jews were angry at foreign Jews for coming in and wrecking up their place in society, as now the public was more suspicious of Jews for Zionist sympathies.
So you'd see Jewish mobs robbing and attacking Zionists.
From 1964 to the early 1990s, Rum had a strict policy of immigration, everybody was thoroughly checked, as they didn't want a Zionist Revolt nor did they want another 1964 Mecca.
by Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:09 pm
by Luziyca » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:09 am
Shrillland wrote:Now, I'm thinking that once the New Orleans conference ends, that will be the end of Part 3. Part 4 will start immediately afterwards and be called "Yesterday, Today, and Forever."
by Unicario » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:34 am
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:Golda Meir will be one of Rum's most ardent anti-Zionists, same with Benjamin Netanyahu.
- Golda Meir is not Mizrahi(Middle Eastern). She was born in Kyiv and was Ashkenazi. If she's not a Zionist, there is no logical reason for her to move to Rum. It would be more feasible for her to become some sort of Ukrainian politician if she's anti-Zionist, seeing that she was born in Kyiv, and that without Zionism, she has no reason to move to Israel. And in her case, Boji could claim her at any time, because she's born a Ukranian citizen.
- Binyamin Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv- but he is not Mizrahi. His parents were both immigrants and Zionists(meaning he presumably would be raised as a Zionist). His father, Benzion Mileikowsky Netanyahu, was a Polish Sephardic Jew and Zionist activist(born in Warsaw, which makes him mine) who was sort of infamous for his harsh view on Palestinians and other Arabs and Muslims- many attribute Bibi's own harshness towards Benzion's influence over Bibi. His mother, Tzila Segal, was Mizrahi(so she is yours); she was less Zionist, but she was still definently Zionist. So if my understanding of Rum's relationships with Zionists is correct, Benzion- if he comes to Rum- is going to be expelled, jailed, or killed(if he comes as part of the uprising). That means that he is not likely to meet Tzila, which means they won't get married and have children. And if Benzion isn't Zionist, he won't have any reason to go to Rum, meaning he won't meet Tzila, meaning no marriage and children. Meaning it's more likely that Binyamin Netanyahu won't even exist ATL.
There is simply no feasible or reasonable way for Golda Meir and Binyamin Netanyahu to wind up in Rum(and, in Bibi's case, be alive at all) if a Zionist state of Israel does not exist. If Golda Meir is anti-Zionist, she stays in Ukraine. If Benzion Netanyahu is anti-Zionist, or if an anti-Zionist Rum controls the Holy Land, Binyamin Netanyahu will never be born.
by Ruridova » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:46 am
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:- Golda Meir is not Mizrahi(Middle Eastern). She was born in Kyiv and was Ashkenazi. If she's not a Zionist, there is no logical reason for her to move to Rum. It would be more feasible for her to become some sort of Ukrainian politician if she's anti-Zionist, seeing that she was born in Kyiv, and that without Zionism, she has no reason to move to Israel. And in her case, Boji could claim her at any time, because she's born a Ukranian citizen.
- Binyamin Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv- but he is not Mizrahi. His parents were both immigrants and Zionists(meaning he presumably would be raised as a Zionist). His father, Benzion Mileikowsky Netanyahu, was a Polish Sephardic Jew and Zionist activist(born in Warsaw, which makes him mine) who was sort of infamous for his harsh view on Palestinians and other Arabs and Muslims- many attribute Bibi's own harshness towards Benzion's influence over Bibi. His mother, Tzila Segal, was Mizrahi(so she is yours); she was less Zionist, but she was still definently Zionist. So if my understanding of Rum's relationships with Zionists is correct, Benzion- if he comes to Rum- is going to be expelled, jailed, or killed(if he comes as part of the uprising). That means that he is not likely to meet Tzila, which means they won't get married and have children. And if Benzion isn't Zionist, he won't have any reason to go to Rum, meaning he won't meet Tzila, meaning no marriage and children. Meaning it's more likely that Binyamin Netanyahu won't even exist ATL.
There is simply no feasible or reasonable way for Golda Meir and Binyamin Netanyahu to wind up in Rum(and, in Bibi's case, be alive at all) if a Zionist state of Israel does not exist. If Golda Meir is anti-Zionist, she stays in Ukraine. If Benzion Netanyahu is anti-Zionist, or if an anti-Zionist Rum controls the Holy Land, Binyamin Netanyahu will never be born.
It was already established that I got Meir and Netanyahu. Come on, man. Meir's movement to Rum was more on hand that her husband was a Zionist and she wasn't, and she ended up being permitted to stay behind and her marriage fell apart. She ended up getting involved in politics in Rum as a Jewish person to make their voice known without resorting to Zionism. There was this whole irony that the Zionists were crying like babies during the 1940s-1970s when the leader of Rum was a Jew. I'll give up Netanhayu since that's fine. Meir though, if Boji doesn't object, I'm taking her!
Anyway -- ZWC will be prosecuted with extreme prejudice, and when they try to mount the 1948-1953 Zionist Revolution, they'll be grinded into mincemeat by the Rum Army.
After the 1960s, Rum would no longer prosecute Zionists for being Zionists, they'd make it more like, trying to commit sedition by trying to cause revolution, or other things, with the intent of the State of Israel being illegal. Zionist views would be tolerated to an extent.
by Unicario » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:02 am
Ruridova wrote:There's also likely to be a small private security force, to make sure that Rum doesn't try to kill members, and also to be 'deployed' to protect Jews in states that are openly hostile to them...
by Unicario » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:09 am
by Ruridova » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:20 am
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:There's also likely to be a small private security force, to make sure that Rum doesn't try to kill members, and also to be 'deployed' to protect Jews in states that are openly hostile to them...
Rum would refuse them entry into the country as they are an armed paramilitary force; not even because they represent Zionism.
Unicario wrote:For the sake of diplomacy, Iulia II / Aysun has invited the leader of the ZWC to Ithaca, as well as the leader of Rum's Jewish League for a discussion. Also, the Jerusalem government (three Governors that rule over the city of Jerusalem proper) have assembled and proposed a plan to build a replica of the Old Temple in a different area of Jerusalem.
by Unicario » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:26 am
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:
Rum would refuse them entry into the country as they are an armed paramilitary force; not even because they represent Zionism.
I think the ZWC would understand that, and respect the decision. It's highly unlikely they would be sent to Rum, anyways.Unicario wrote:For the sake of diplomacy, Iulia II / Aysun has invited the leader of the ZWC to Ithaca, as well as the leader of Rum's Jewish League for a discussion. Also, the Jerusalem government (three Governors that rule over the city of Jerusalem proper) have assembled and proposed a plan to build a replica of the Old Temple in a different area of Jerusalem.
So I suppose the ZWC will have to hurry up and elect a President and a Knesset, so that the President and Speaker positions can be filled for the Ithaca meeting.
by Ruridova » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:28 am
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:I think the ZWC would understand that, and respect the decision. It's highly unlikely they would be sent to Rum, anyways.
So I suppose the ZWC will have to hurry up and elect a President and a Knesset, so that the President and Speaker positions can be filled for the Ithaca meeting.
Indeed. Also: Check the IC again, a Japanese soldier penned a song that ended up not existing ATL because the American Revolution failed and Washington got rekt'd. Hail Columbia is a song of peace to the Confederates.
by Unicario » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:30 am
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:
Indeed. Also: Check the IC again, a Japanese soldier penned a song that ended up not existing ATL because the American Revolution failed and Washington got rekt'd. Hail Columbia is a song of peace to the Confederates.
Will do. I have to do something IRL right now, but I'll post as soon as I can.
If you're going to invite the President of the ZWC, you might have to drop the ban on Chaimas Galvanauskas entering the country, at least for a bit, because I plan for him to be elected as an independent.
by Ruridova » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:32 am
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:Will do. I have to do something IRL right now, but I'll post as soon as I can.
If you're going to invite the President of the ZWC, you might have to drop the ban on Chaimas Galvanauskas entering the country, at least for a bit, because I plan for him to be elected as an independent.
That was actually who I intended to invite! Don't worry about the "persona non grata" thing. Since he is in the company of the Calipha/Empress, he won't be accosted. But she's revoked it anyway.
by The Vaktovian Empire » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:52 am
Shrillland wrote:Now, I'm thinking that once the New Orleans conference ends, that will be the end of Part 3. Part 4 will start immediately afterwards and be called "Yesterday, Today, and Forever."
by Bojikami » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:14 pm
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Shrillland wrote:Now, I'm thinking that once the New Orleans conference ends, that will be the end of Part 3. Part 4 will start immediately afterwards and be called "Yesterday, Today, and Forever."
And part IV is the last part right? Because were not going to be doing anymore timeskips after this?
by Ruridova » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:53 pm
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