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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:55 pm

An assumption that South America is going to always collapse into civil war. Come now.
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:57 pm

Also, any plans for America that I could have any country there? I was kinda wondering of a sort of Chicago-like faction or something. I might of already asked that too. IDK, it's been a while. Anyway, here are the plans between now and August, which relatively do not involve much action, so they should be good:
-Afghanistan: Muslims retake parts of the government, and the control of British and American leaders as well as the unified spectrum of Christianity in Afghanistan begins to deteriorate. Inspired by coups in Europe and the war in America, these Islamic radicals are the industrial-era version of Al-Qaeda. They succumb to sabotage, hostage-taking, and terrorism to get what they want. Eventually, the government will in a nutshell somewhat collapses. Therefore, this sect of Islamic rebels and supporters of them take power, and a subsequent decision to join Al-Andalusian territory is enacted, which may or may not pass.
-Russia: Minor skirmishes with Socialists. Regime becoming more tight and pressures anyone who dare defy their words. Nicholas I enacts several laws that make Russia better in the long run though.
-Spain: Civil War continues to rage on. Torres is imprisoned for the entire time, with negotiations with Al-Andalus failing between itself and the Portuguese Junta, after realizing Hamid Andoni defected, try to barter with Andalusian Government forces. Meanwhile, the communication between both Portugal and its Northern Forces, and Andalus and its Northern-fighting forces deteriorates even more, and skirmishes line the Northern part of Portugal, with both sides giving no control to the other, and both killing hundreds of civilians in the process. Both's commanding officers will be charged for war crimes later on, and only few will be successfully charged. In August, Torres will be evaluated for release, as his 5,000 man original army, now numbering only 1,500 sits in ram-shackle tents and such under arrest by Portuguese troops, which in Lisbon alone number 10,000. They sit, weaponless, hungry, and full of partial-disease, and include Portuguese Rebels, Spaniard Catholics, and Andalusian Soldiers. The Junta and Caliph discuss things by telegram over and over, until finally, the Caliph demands his troops be allowed to return. As such, the Andalusians are released, and the Spaniards and Rebels forced to stay. In the North, however, even Andalusian troops fight on, as the Caliph has no direct contact. Andoni's defected men stay with Portugal, and the Caliph backs out of the situation, fleeing, and fearing a war with a Portugal he didn't realize had been so unaffected at home vs. in colonial pockets like Mozambique. The Spaniards begin to hate the Andalusians for betraying them by both abandoning them, and for Andoni betraying them. The Caliph holds nothing to the Spaniards, and forces the remainder of those still in reserve that had been waiting to go to Portugal for later battle,s including all clerics, supporters, and officers of the Spaniard Catholic Faction, into Portugal, and become entrenched in a long, bloody war right near the border. Over time between now and August, they push on, but never too far as to reach Lisbon. All while in the North, Andalusians and Spaniards, though tired, continue to fight on together.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:58 pm

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Also, any plans for America that I could have any country there? I was kinda wondering of a sort of Chicago-like faction or something. I might of already asked that too. IDK, it's been a while. Anyway, here are the plans between now and August, which relatively do not involve much action, so they should be good:
-Afghanistan: Muslims retake parts of the government, and the control of British and American leaders as well as the unified spectrum of Christianity in Afghanistan begins to deteriorate. Inspired by coups in Europe and the war in America, these Islamic radicals are the industrial-era version of Al-Qaeda. They succumb to sabotage, hostage-taking, and terrorism to get what they want. Eventually, the government will in a nutshell somewhat collapses. Therefore, this sect of Islamic rebels and supporters of them take power, and a subsequent decision to join Al-Andalusian territory is enacted, which may or may not pass.
-Russia: Minor skirmishes with Socialists. Regime becoming more tight and pressures anyone who dare defy their words. Nicholas I enacts several laws that make Russia better in the long run though.
-Spain: Civil War continues to rage on. Torres is imprisoned for the entire time, with negotiations with Al-Andalus failing between itself and the Portuguese Junta, after realizing Hamid Andoni defected, try to barter with Andalusian Government forces. Meanwhile, the communication between both Portugal and its Northern Forces, and Andalus and its Northern-fighting forces deteriorates even more, and skirmishes line the Northern part of Portugal, with both sides giving no control to the other, and both killing hundreds of civilians in the process. Both's commanding officers will be charged for war crimes later on, and only few will be successfully charged. In August, Torres will be evaluated for release, as his 5,000 man original army, now numbering only 1,500 sits in ram-shackle tents and such under arrest by Portuguese troops, which in Lisbon alone number 10,000. They sit, weaponless, hungry, and full of partial-disease, and include Portuguese Rebels, Spaniard Catholics, and Andalusian Soldiers. The Junta and Caliph discuss things by telegram over and over, until finally, the Caliph demands his troops be allowed to return. As such, the Andalusians are released, and the Spaniards and Rebels forced to stay. In the North, however, even Andalusian troops fight on, as the Caliph has no direct contact. Andoni's defected men stay with Portugal, and the Caliph backs out of the situation, fleeing, and fearing a war with a Portugal he didn't realize had been so unaffected at home vs. in colonial pockets like Mozambique. The Spaniards begin to hate the Andalusians for betraying them by both abandoning them, and for Andoni betraying them. The Caliph holds nothing to the Spaniards, and forces the remainder of those still in reserve that had been waiting to go to Portugal for later battle,s including all clerics, supporters, and officers of the Spaniard Catholic Faction, into Portugal, and become entrenched in a long, bloody war right near the border. Over time between now and August, they push on, but never too far as to reach Lisbon. All while in the North, Andalusians and Spaniards, though tired, continue to fight on together.
-1st French Republic: Not much, besides more heightened tensions with Algeria, and maybe a few small things with Italy, should I acquire it.


Hmm..I'm not sure. The Americas are all but taken or reserved already I believe.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:59 pm

Dibs on Italy's gains in the Greco-Turkish War and Italian Tunis and Libya. Turkmen stronkest >_>
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:02 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Unicario wrote:We'll just have them as NPCs. What says that Brazil would collapse into civil war? o.o

I agree. Perhaps Guyane invades and occupies Amapa and assimilates the Brazilians living there into their order. The royal army loses disastrously against the Guyanese and a civil war occurs.

Unless if others took Brazil.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:13 pm

Does Quebec survive the war, or did it get beaten by the Brits?
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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:23 pm

Map

Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:29 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Remind me: Washington burns but Baltimore is saved, right?


Here is the game plan for the rest of 1838-39 as you wrote it:

The Confederacy and Union repel the attack at Baltimore, but are unable to hold Washington, which the British raze. A series of British campaigns in the Massachusetts Bay and along the Hudson and Delaware Rivers result in Union authority collapsing, its final acts being to give Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia to the CSA, and similar assaults on Deseret result in its annexation by the Confederacy as well. The British are confident that the CSA will fall as Canada, Oregon, and the Union have, and that Deseret and the Confederacy will soon be reclaimed. The Confederacy gathers as much strength as it can, and creates two armies. The first, the Army of the Potomac, is led by Winfield Scott. The other army, the Army of the Ohio, is led by George Meade and Robert E. Lee. The two armies head up the Potomac, with the Army of the Potomac meeting a small British expedition at Sharpsburg/Anteitam, a battle to hold them up just long enough to prevent them from fighting at Gettysburg.
The Army of the Ohio and its British counterpart meet in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, a town that serves as a hub for several major roads.The British occupy Herr Ridge, taking control of the northern roads and pikes, while the Confederacy occupies the city. The first day of battle forces the Confederacy to retreat behind Seminary Ridge and Pilzter's Run, forcing them to give up the city and to retreat to Cemetery Hill. On the Second Day of Battle, the Confederacy would repel British assaults on the Baltimore Pike, Culp's Hill, the Emmitsburg Road, the Devil's Den, and Little Round Top, inflicting great casualties on the British, increasing the possibility of a stalemate or Confederate victory. On the third day, Confederate forces on Round Top and Little Round Top flank the British forces along the Emmitsburg Road, repel a British charge on Cemetery Hill at great cost, and push British forces on the east back to Wolf Hill. On the fourth day, the Confederates assault Cemetery Ridge, pushing the British back to the Chambersburg Pike and reclaiming Gettysburg, and push the British up to Hanover Road, with the exception of a pocket at Benner's Hill. On the fifth and final day, the Confederacy flanks the British forces on the Chambersburg Pike and claim Herr, McPherson, and Oak Ridges, totally destroying the British forces there. The remaining British forces surrender.


And I think Ol' Rough and Ready himself could win Gettysburg, he fits the time period, after all.

True.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:30 pm

Unicario wrote:Map

Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.

Is the 'Ottomans rape Italian empire' realistic, or fair to Ep? Also you left off Venezuela.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:31 pm

Unicario wrote:Does Quebec survive the war, or did it get beaten by the Brits?

Quebec and the CSA survive.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:40 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:Map

Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.

Is the 'Ottomans rape Italian empire' realistic, or fair to Ep? Also you left off Venezuela.


Venezuela is claimed?

The Ottoman Empire's seizure of the Italian N. African holdings would be realistic yes, since they'd likely be lightly manned and full of angry Muslims who detest Italian control and would prefer the arms of an Islamic state that could protect them. The Ottoman Empire is already the patron of the Muslims in North Africa anyway (sans Al-Andalus). But I'll hold off on that until the end of this part of the RP. If Ep doesn't return by then, it's all fair game.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:42 pm

Unicario wrote:Map

Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.

If it is for 1890, no.

China may probably show Dungania (west of present day China borders) as light green, but everything else in the mainland should go green like the imperial state. Kenya and Uganda will remain as one colony, and will keep that green shade that Dungania has.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:45 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Is the 'Ottomans rape Italian empire' realistic, or fair to Ep? Also you left off Venezuela.


Venezuela is claimed?

The Ottoman Empire's seizure of the Italian N. African holdings would be realistic yes, since they'd likely be lightly manned and full of angry Muslims who detest Italian control and would prefer the arms of an Islamic state that could protect them. The Ottoman Empire is already the patron of the Muslims in North Africa anyway (sans Al-Andalus). But I'll hold off on that until the end of this part of the RP. If Ep doesn't return by then, it's all fair game.

By Boji.

Until Arab, Zionist, Kurdish, Greek, and Slavic nationalism arise.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:46 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Unicario wrote:Map

Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.

If it is for 1890, no.

China may probably show Dungania (west of present day China borders) as light green, but everything else in the mainland should go green like the imperial state. Kenya and Uganda will remain as one colony, and will keep that green shade that Dungania has.


Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Venezuela is claimed?

The Ottoman Empire's seizure of the Italian N. African holdings would be realistic yes, since they'd likely be lightly manned and full of angry Muslims who detest Italian control and would prefer the arms of an Islamic state that could protect them. The Ottoman Empire is already the patron of the Muslims in North Africa anyway (sans Al-Andalus). But I'll hold off on that until the end of this part of the RP. If Ep doesn't return by then, it's all fair game.

By Boji.

Until Arab, Zionist, Kurdish, Greek, and Slavic nationalism arise.


:mad: :mad: The Ottoman Empire is not going to collapse, okay? It'll turn into a federation state. If we're going that way though, how come Germany is facing nationalist revolts in Bohemia, Polish regions and Alsace-Lorraine? You've only RP'd a small instance of nationalist fervor. And why won't the CSA have a horrific time subjugating Mexico? Hm?
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Postby Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:51 pm

Map

Changes:
- Heavy centralization of China by 1890
- Venezuela marked
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:02 pm

Unicario wrote:
Luziyca wrote:If it is for 1890, no.

China may probably show Dungania (west of present day China borders) as light green, but everything else in the mainland should go green like the imperial state. Kenya and Uganda will remain as one colony, and will keep that green shade that Dungania has.


Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.

Ruridova wrote:By Boji.

Until Arab, Zionist, Kurdish, Greek, and Slavic nationalism arise.


:mad: :mad: The Ottoman Empire is not going to collapse, okay? It'll turn into a federation state. If we're going that way though, how come Germany is facing nationalist revolts in Bohemia, Polish regions and Alsace-Lorraine? You've only RP'd a small instance of nationalist fervor. And why won't the CSA have a horrific time subjugating Mexico? Hm?

Just like the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, right? It'll magically survive forever?

Germany has already gone through some nationalist hell with the Poles and as a result is basically working to totally and utterly destroy Polish culture, or at least integrate it into German culture. I'm not sure Alsace-Lorraine has the population. As for the Czechs and the Slovaks, I'm considering numerous bloody rebellions against Germany and Hungary in between this RP and the next, forcing the German kings of Bohemia, Moravia, and the Sudetenland into exile, leading to the establishment of Czechoslovakia.
As for Mexico, they'll be forced into largely the same situation that blacks were in the South under Jim Crow: not enslaved, but inferior. This means that the Mexican territories are likely going to see the same things that the Southern US did: protests, lynching, discrimination, violence, and so forth, which will end with the Civil Rights Act in 1960s. By contrast, the segregation laws do not go into effect in Cuba or Puerto Rico, making Hispanics there legally equal due to their status as Commonwealth Territories until the 1980s. Besides, Hispanics can always move to Rio Grande. Or the Confederate ally in Venezuela.
Yugoslavia will likely face trouble from the Bulgarians, Slovenians, and (if it takes it) the Macedonians. Serbo-Croat-Montenegrin-Bosnian won't really divide into its subgroups until the late 1900s like IRL, resulting in a bloody civil war that likely ends in multiple small states.
Transcaucasia is a psychotic dictatorship that will begin implementing 'Georgification' policies if it has not already. This will result in some of the world's first genocides. Ethnic tensions may erupt, but most non-Georgians will be killed.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:08 pm

Unicario wrote:
Luziyca wrote:If it is for 1890, no.

China may probably show Dungania (west of present day China borders) as light green, but everything else in the mainland should go green like the imperial state. Kenya and Uganda will remain as one colony, and will keep that green shade that Dungania has.


Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.

Well, save for Dungania (with their all power), they still exist, but for all intents and purposes, they no longer have any sovereignty, and their internal affairs are really controlled by Beijing. All their citizens are eligible to vote in national elections, so while there are still theoretical leaders, it was essentially centralized by China. They officially were only abolished in 1907, but by the 1890s, it was seen by everyone including those within those areas (except some isolated groups) as Chinese.

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.



:mad: :mad: The Ottoman Empire is not going to collapse, okay? It'll turn into a federation state. If we're going that way though, how come Germany is facing nationalist revolts in Bohemia, Polish regions and Alsace-Lorraine? You've only RP'd a small instance of nationalist fervor. And why won't the CSA have a horrific time subjugating Mexico? Hm?

Just like the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, right? It'll magically survive forever?

Germany has already gone through some nationalist hell with the Poles and as a result is basically working to totally and utterly destroy Polish culture, or at least integrate it into German culture. I'm not sure Alsace-Lorraine has the population. As for the Czechs and the Slovaks, I'm considering numerous bloody rebellions against Germany and Hungary in between this RP and the next, forcing the German kings of Bohemia, Moravia, and the Sudetenland into exile, leading to the establishment of Czechoslovakia.
As for Mexico, they'll be forced into largely the same situation that blacks were in the South under Jim Crow: not enslaved, but inferior. This means that the Mexican territories are likely going to see the same things that the Southern US did: protests, lynching, discrimination, violence, and so forth, which will end with the Civil Rights Act in 1960s. By contrast, the segregation laws do not go into effect in Cuba or Puerto Rico, making Hispanics there legally equal due to their status as Commonwealth Territories until the 1980s. Besides, Hispanics can always move to Rio Grande. Or the Confederate ally in Venezuela.
Yugoslavia will likely face trouble from the Bulgarians, Slovenians, and (if it takes it) the Macedonians. Serbo-Croat-Montenegrin-Bosnian won't really divide into its subgroups until the late 1900s like IRL, resulting in a bloody civil war that likely ends in multiple small states.
Transcaucasia is a psychotic dictatorship that will begin implementing 'Georgification' policies if it has not already. This will result in some of the world's first genocides. Ethnic tensions may erupt, but most non-Georgians will be killed.

I am probably thinking that perhaps China tries to get Transcaucasia to relocate their entire Azeri and Armenian populations to Dungania or even Chinese Africa, and ships sailing in the Caspian launch a mission to "save the Azeris and the Armenians from Georgian rule." As a result, Transcaucasia and China would likely be foes.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:13 pm

Luziyca wrote:
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Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.

Well, save for Dungania (with their all power), they still exist, but for all intents and purposes, they no longer have any sovereignty, and their internal affairs are really controlled by Beijing. All their citizens are eligible to vote in national elections, so while there are still theoretical leaders, it was essentially centralized by China. They officially were only abolished in 1907, but by the 1890s, it was seen by everyone including those within those areas (except some isolated groups) as Chinese.

Ruridova wrote:Just like the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, right? It'll magically survive forever?

Germany has already gone through some nationalist hell with the Poles and as a result is basically working to totally and utterly destroy Polish culture, or at least integrate it into German culture. I'm not sure Alsace-Lorraine has the population. As for the Czechs and the Slovaks, I'm considering numerous bloody rebellions against Germany and Hungary in between this RP and the next, forcing the German kings of Bohemia, Moravia, and the Sudetenland into exile, leading to the establishment of Czechoslovakia.
As for Mexico, they'll be forced into largely the same situation that blacks were in the South under Jim Crow: not enslaved, but inferior. This means that the Mexican territories are likely going to see the same things that the Southern US did: protests, lynching, discrimination, violence, and so forth, which will end with the Civil Rights Act in 1960s. By contrast, the segregation laws do not go into effect in Cuba or Puerto Rico, making Hispanics there legally equal due to their status as Commonwealth Territories until the 1980s. Besides, Hispanics can always move to Rio Grande. Or the Confederate ally in Venezuela.
Yugoslavia will likely face trouble from the Bulgarians, Slovenians, and (if it takes it) the Macedonians. Serbo-Croat-Montenegrin-Bosnian won't really divide into its subgroups until the late 1900s like IRL, resulting in a bloody civil war that likely ends in multiple small states.
Transcaucasia is a psychotic dictatorship that will begin implementing 'Georgification' policies if it has not already. This will result in some of the world's first genocides. Ethnic tensions may erupt, but most non-Georgians will be killed.

I am probably thinking that perhaps China tries to get Transcaucasia to relocate their entire Azeri and Armenian populations to Dungania or even Chinese Africa, and ships sailing in the Caspian launch a mission to "save the Azeris and the Armenians from Georgian rule." As a result, Transcaucasia and China would likely be foes.

Relocate them? That's like the Nazis founding Israel to relocate the Jews, or the DPRK founding the ROK to relocate dissidents. They wouldn't do that, they'd just kill them. Transcaucasia is also very close to Germany, and that ties China's hands due to the Sino-German alliance.
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Also, if Brazil is collapsing, Venezuela will invade.
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Bojikami wrote:Also, if Brazil is collapsing, Venezuela will invade.
For Amazonas?
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Bojikami wrote:Also, if Brazil is collapsing, Venezuela will invade.
For Amazonas?

Sí.
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Ruridova wrote:For Amazonas?

Sí.

For a giant jungle.
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Bojikami wrote:Sí.

For a giant jungle.

Yes. And just because imperialism.
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Unicario wrote:
Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.



:mad: :mad: The Ottoman Empire is not going to collapse, okay? It'll turn into a federation state. If we're going that way though, how come Germany is facing nationalist revolts in Bohemia, Polish regions and Alsace-Lorraine? You've only RP'd a small instance of nationalist fervor. And why won't the CSA have a horrific time subjugating Mexico? Hm?

Just like the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, right? It'll magically survive forever?


if u cared to read my statements on the matter, Japan is going to pull a Britain and make stable allies out of the lot of them and withdraw from most of her colonies by the end of the 20th century, except for Korea.
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Luziyca wrote:Well, save for Dungania (with their all power), they still exist, but for all intents and purposes, they no longer have any sovereignty, and their internal affairs are really controlled by Beijing. All their citizens are eligible to vote in national elections, so while there are still theoretical leaders, it was essentially centralized by China. They officially were only abolished in 1907, but by the 1890s, it was seen by everyone including those within those areas (except some isolated groups) as Chinese.


I am probably thinking that perhaps China tries to get Transcaucasia to relocate their entire Azeri and Armenian populations to Dungania or even Chinese Africa, and ships sailing in the Caspian launch a mission to "save the Azeris and the Armenians from Georgian rule." As a result, Transcaucasia and China would likely be foes.

Relocate them? That's like the Nazis founding Israel to relocate the Jews, or the DPRK founding the ROK to relocate dissidents. They wouldn't do that, they'd just kill them. Transcaucasia is also very close to Germany, and that ties China's hands due to the Sino-German alliance.

Damn.

Dungania is basically just Central Asia with Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Turkmen, Tajiks, and Uzbeks, ruled by an Uzbek Emir. Perhaps the Dungans attempt to try and save some Azeri and Armenians?

As for Dungania, by 1939, the Emir of Dungania and the Empress of China negotiate a treaty to give Dungania sovereignty, and the Uzbeks create a constitutional monarchy (well, inherit the Legislature that the Chinese made that allowed universal suffrage to all races) and only allow Uzbeks to vote, much to the chagrin of the Kazakhs, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, and Dungan Chinese. Especially the Kyrgyz. By 1941, they stripped ethnic minorities of citizenship, and in 1942, the Uzbeks abolish the constitutional monarchy altogether after a referendum (with Uzbek vote only).

In 1943, the Kyrgyz declare independence as a Republic, and the Uzbeks attempt to commit genocide against the Kyrgyz, the Chinese find out, and invade Uzbekistan to depose their Emir while assisting the Kyrgyz, resulting in having them in gratitude create a personal union. The rest after finding out declare their independence, leaving Uzbekistan landlocked.

Kyrgyz were by the 1930s more favored than the Uzbeks among the Han, and so the Uzbeks were angered. As a result, Kyrgyzstan today is the richest nation in Central Asia, mainly due to being allies with Beijing. They have a stable Parliamentary government and still keep the Empress of China as their Queen. Bishkek is now seen as the Jewel of Central Asia, or even Paris of Central Asia.

Uzbekistan after 1944 remained an Emirate but with the deposed Emir's brother now an Emir. He reinstates a Legislature, but voter fraud and corruption makes Bukhara no longer the Jewel of Central Asia. In 1969, the Emir dies, and the Karakalpaks declare independence as a People's Republic under Marxism-Leninism. Meanwhile, communists in Tashkent declare a People's Republic of Uzbekistan and ally with the Karakalpaks against the Uzbeks. To make things complicated, in 1970, the military coups the Emir in Bukhara, but the Emir flees to Namangan with some of his loyal soldiers. Later that same year, Karakalpak falls to the military, who declares a pro-Chinese republic while Namangan falls to the communists from Tashkent, and the Emir flees to Tajikistan. A ceasefire was signed in 1971, but in 1975, the communists violate the ceasefire, and the military-governed republic as a result invades and by 1979, Tashkent falls, and then has sarin targeted against Tashkent as punishment, before razing the entire city to the ground and barring access to Tashkent. As a result, Kyrgyzstan and China depose the military in 1980 and try and set up a constitutional monarchy with the Empress as Queen of Uzbekistan, and despite Islamists ruling from 1980 to 1994, it was peaceful and Bukhara was seen as a future competitor with Bishkek (Tashkent was rebuilt and by 1988 was again the largest city, Bukhara being the second, like Tashkent was the largest from the mid-1950s to 1979), but in 1994, protests against voter fraud cause a civil war, but in 1998, the Chinese stepped in again with an agreement with a new legislature under a republican system, and it has been peaceful with a variety of checks and balances to prevent another civil war. Bukhara and Tashkent are recovering but won't be candidates for Jewel of Central Asia like they were back in the 1980s and early 1990s for a while.

Turkmenistan becomes a Republic and until 1975 was very stable when the Uzbek War spilled over, resulting in communists taking power until 1979 when the military deposed the communists, and restored the Republic. In 1985, Saparmurat Niyazov gets elected, and when he approached his two-term limit in 1995, a referendum was held making him President-for-Life, serving in that role until 2006, complete with cult of personality. Since 2006, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow has served as President of Turkmenistan, dismantling the former's cult while building up his own cult.

Kazakhstan was ruled by nationalists who seek to invade Russian-controlled Kazakhstan (RL Kazakhstan), and was a rigid single party state with the capital in Almaty, ruled from 1943 to 1983 by Ismail Yusupov, and from 1983 to 1990 by. In 1988, they invade those areas and take control with a referendum in 1989, and by 1990, the nationalists end their rule (they only kept until unification of Kazakhstan), and it has been a multiparty democracy. The only post-democratic President, Nursultan Nazarbayev has seen tremendous economic growth and a closer policy to China and Japan: it has adopted the yuan as a common currency, and in 1997, the capital was moved to Akmola and renamed Astana. Astana and Bishkek are now essentially rivals, if Bishkek were the Paris of Central Asia, Astana would be the Atlanta of Central Asia.

Tajikistan entered a personal union with Uzbekistan, and had its own constitutional monarchy with Kokhir Remona serving as Prime Minister from 1943 to 1977. After the civil war began in 1969, the rural areas wage their own civil war, mainly due to neglect to areas outside Dushanbe, especially amongst the Pamirs. The Pamirs started the Pamir Independence Movement and by 1970, conflict was in full swing, with the PIM and the Islamic Front of Tajikstan fighting the central government in Dushanbe, which was well off by Central Asian standards (not as much as Bukhara in the 1960s or Bishkek, but still better off than many). By 1973, the PIM controlled all of OTL Gorno-Badakhshan, and Khrough was declared the capital of the Islamic Republic of Pamiristan. Imam Alimamad Niyozmamadov was designated Supreme Leader while Kadyr Kasim was elected President. The Islamic Front's safe area was in Pamiristan, which they agreed to recognize as independent, and they had control of Khatlon Province, while central government maintained control of Sugdh and Karotegin Provinces. A ceasefire was signed, and three nations were formed: the Emirate of Tajikistan (ruled by the exiled Emir of Uzbekistan who is the Emir of Tajikistan as head of state, capital in Dushanbe), the Islamic Republic of Pamiristan (Khrough), and the Islamic Republic of Tajikistan with its provisional capital in Qurghonteppa, but saying its official capital was in Dushanbe. However, by 1974, the Emir ordered the invasion of Pamiristan, which violated the ceasefire, and the war resumed. In 1975, the royalists fought a battle in Khrough and lost, and later that year, they fought a battle at Qurghonteppa and lost, ending any chance of them winning. In 1976, Sugdh Province fell to the Islamic Front (Pamiristan was now effectively sovereign), and many areas of Karotegin Provinces were under Islamic control, leaving Dushanbe under siege. By 1977, the Battle of Dushanbe was a Muslim victory and the Islamic Republic of Tajikistan was set up. Emomali Rahmon became President, while Rahmon Nabiyev became Supreme Leader. In 1981, Tajikistan invaded Pamiristan, which was seen as a Tajik puppet state and by the end of the year, it was annexed. Tajikistan then joined the Chinese Commonwealth in 1984, and pegged its currency to the yuan. However, it is not that fond of Beijing.
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