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by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:55 pm
by The Vaktovian Empire » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:57 pm
by Shrillland » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:58 pm
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Also, any plans for America that I could have any country there? I was kinda wondering of a sort of Chicago-like faction or something. I might of already asked that too. IDK, it's been a while. Anyway, here are the plans between now and August, which relatively do not involve much action, so they should be good:
-Afghanistan: Muslims retake parts of the government, and the control of British and American leaders as well as the unified spectrum of Christianity in Afghanistan begins to deteriorate. Inspired by coups in Europe and the war in America, these Islamic radicals are the industrial-era version of Al-Qaeda. They succumb to sabotage, hostage-taking, and terrorism to get what they want. Eventually, the government will in a nutshell somewhat collapses. Therefore, this sect of Islamic rebels and supporters of them take power, and a subsequent decision to join Al-Andalusian territory is enacted, which may or may not pass.
-Russia: Minor skirmishes with Socialists. Regime becoming more tight and pressures anyone who dare defy their words. Nicholas I enacts several laws that make Russia better in the long run though.
-Spain: Civil War continues to rage on. Torres is imprisoned for the entire time, with negotiations with Al-Andalus failing between itself and the Portuguese Junta, after realizing Hamid Andoni defected, try to barter with Andalusian Government forces. Meanwhile, the communication between both Portugal and its Northern Forces, and Andalus and its Northern-fighting forces deteriorates even more, and skirmishes line the Northern part of Portugal, with both sides giving no control to the other, and both killing hundreds of civilians in the process. Both's commanding officers will be charged for war crimes later on, and only few will be successfully charged. In August, Torres will be evaluated for release, as his 5,000 man original army, now numbering only 1,500 sits in ram-shackle tents and such under arrest by Portuguese troops, which in Lisbon alone number 10,000. They sit, weaponless, hungry, and full of partial-disease, and include Portuguese Rebels, Spaniard Catholics, and Andalusian Soldiers. The Junta and Caliph discuss things by telegram over and over, until finally, the Caliph demands his troops be allowed to return. As such, the Andalusians are released, and the Spaniards and Rebels forced to stay. In the North, however, even Andalusian troops fight on, as the Caliph has no direct contact. Andoni's defected men stay with Portugal, and the Caliph backs out of the situation, fleeing, and fearing a war with a Portugal he didn't realize had been so unaffected at home vs. in colonial pockets like Mozambique. The Spaniards begin to hate the Andalusians for betraying them by both abandoning them, and for Andoni betraying them. The Caliph holds nothing to the Spaniards, and forces the remainder of those still in reserve that had been waiting to go to Portugal for later battle,s including all clerics, supporters, and officers of the Spaniard Catholic Faction, into Portugal, and become entrenched in a long, bloody war right near the border. Over time between now and August, they push on, but never too far as to reach Lisbon. All while in the North, Andalusians and Spaniards, though tired, continue to fight on together.
-1st French Republic: Not much, besides more heightened tensions with Algeria, and maybe a few small things with Italy, should I acquire it.
by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:59 pm
by Luziyca » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:02 pm
Luziyca wrote:Unicario wrote:We'll just have them as NPCs. What says that Brazil would collapse into civil war? o.o
I agree. Perhaps Guyane invades and occupies Amapa and assimilates the Brazilians living there into their order. The royal army loses disastrously against the Guyanese and a civil war occurs.
by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:13 pm
by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:23 pm
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:29 pm
Shrillland wrote:Ruridova wrote:Remind me: Washington burns but Baltimore is saved, right?
Here is the game plan for the rest of 1838-39 as you wrote it:The Confederacy and Union repel the attack at Baltimore, but are unable to hold Washington, which the British raze. A series of British campaigns in the Massachusetts Bay and along the Hudson and Delaware Rivers result in Union authority collapsing, its final acts being to give Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia to the CSA, and similar assaults on Deseret result in its annexation by the Confederacy as well. The British are confident that the CSA will fall as Canada, Oregon, and the Union have, and that Deseret and the Confederacy will soon be reclaimed. The Confederacy gathers as much strength as it can, and creates two armies. The first, the Army of the Potomac, is led by Winfield Scott. The other army, the Army of the Ohio, is led by George Meade and Robert E. Lee. The two armies head up the Potomac, with the Army of the Potomac meeting a small British expedition at Sharpsburg/Anteitam, a battle to hold them up just long enough to prevent them from fighting at Gettysburg.
The Army of the Ohio and its British counterpart meet in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, a town that serves as a hub for several major roads.The British occupy Herr Ridge, taking control of the northern roads and pikes, while the Confederacy occupies the city. The first day of battle forces the Confederacy to retreat behind Seminary Ridge and Pilzter's Run, forcing them to give up the city and to retreat to Cemetery Hill. On the Second Day of Battle, the Confederacy would repel British assaults on the Baltimore Pike, Culp's Hill, the Emmitsburg Road, the Devil's Den, and Little Round Top, inflicting great casualties on the British, increasing the possibility of a stalemate or Confederate victory. On the third day, Confederate forces on Round Top and Little Round Top flank the British forces along the Emmitsburg Road, repel a British charge on Cemetery Hill at great cost, and push British forces on the east back to Wolf Hill. On the fourth day, the Confederates assault Cemetery Ridge, pushing the British back to the Chambersburg Pike and reclaiming Gettysburg, and push the British up to Hanover Road, with the exception of a pocket at Benner's Hill. On the fifth and final day, the Confederacy flanks the British forces on the Chambersburg Pike and claim Herr, McPherson, and Oak Ridges, totally destroying the British forces there. The remaining British forces surrender.
And I think Ol' Rough and Ready himself could win Gettysburg, he fits the time period, after all.
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:30 pm
Unicario wrote:Map
Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:31 pm
Unicario wrote:Does Quebec survive the war, or did it get beaten by the Brits?
by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:40 pm
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:Map
Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.
Is the 'Ottomans rape Italian empire' realistic, or fair to Ep? Also you left off Venezuela.
by Luziyca » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:42 pm
Unicario wrote:Map
Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:45 pm
Unicario wrote:Ruridova wrote:Is the 'Ottomans rape Italian empire' realistic, or fair to Ep? Also you left off Venezuela.
Venezuela is claimed?
The Ottoman Empire's seizure of the Italian N. African holdings would be realistic yes, since they'd likely be lightly manned and full of angry Muslims who detest Italian control and would prefer the arms of an Islamic state that could protect them. The Ottoman Empire is already the patron of the Muslims in North Africa anyway (sans Al-Andalus). But I'll hold off on that until the end of this part of the RP. If Ep doesn't return by then, it's all fair game.
by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:46 pm
Luziyca wrote:Unicario wrote:Map
Changes:
- France is no longer yellow as so it isn't confusing in comparison to Japan.
- Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain).
- Guyane/Little 1792!France is shown on the map. Condominium is not.
- Internal borders are drawn in places so they make more sense.
- Chinese centralization is shown by the dissolution of the "vassal kingdom" of Tibet, and the direct addition of Inner Mongolia to the direct Imperial state.
- Japanese control of most of the Oceanic islands is demonstrated (nobody else's islands have been messed with)
- The Indian Ocean islands will be changed eventually, but they're tiny and I don't know them by heart. I might just omit them.
If it is for 1890, no.
China may probably show Dungania (west of present day China borders) as light green, but everything else in the mainland should go green like the imperial state. Kenya and Uganda will remain as one colony, and will keep that green shade that Dungania has.
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:
Venezuela is claimed?
The Ottoman Empire's seizure of the Italian N. African holdings would be realistic yes, since they'd likely be lightly manned and full of angry Muslims who detest Italian control and would prefer the arms of an Islamic state that could protect them. The Ottoman Empire is already the patron of the Muslims in North Africa anyway (sans Al-Andalus). But I'll hold off on that until the end of this part of the RP. If Ep doesn't return by then, it's all fair game.
By Boji.
Until Arab, Zionist, Kurdish, Greek, and Slavic nationalism arise.
by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:51 pm
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:02 pm
Unicario wrote:Luziyca wrote:If it is for 1890, no.
China may probably show Dungania (west of present day China borders) as light green, but everything else in the mainland should go green like the imperial state. Kenya and Uganda will remain as one colony, and will keep that green shade that Dungania has.
Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.
The Ottoman Empire is not going to collapse, okay? It'll turn into a federation state. If we're going that way though, how come Germany is facing nationalist revolts in Bohemia, Polish regions and Alsace-Lorraine? You've only RP'd a small instance of nationalist fervor. And why won't the CSA have a horrific time subjugating Mexico? Hm?
by Luziyca » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:08 pm
Unicario wrote:Luziyca wrote:If it is for 1890, no.
China may probably show Dungania (west of present day China borders) as light green, but everything else in the mainland should go green like the imperial state. Kenya and Uganda will remain as one colony, and will keep that green shade that Dungania has.
Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:
Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.
The Ottoman Empire is not going to collapse, okay? It'll turn into a federation state. If we're going that way though, how come Germany is facing nationalist revolts in Bohemia, Polish regions and Alsace-Lorraine? You've only RP'd a small instance of nationalist fervor. And why won't the CSA have a horrific time subjugating Mexico? Hm?
Just like the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, right? It'll magically survive forever?
Germany has already gone through some nationalist hell with the Poles and as a result is basically working to totally and utterly destroy Polish culture, or at least integrate it into German culture. I'm not sure Alsace-Lorraine has the population. As for the Czechs and the Slovaks, I'm considering numerous bloody rebellions against Germany and Hungary in between this RP and the next, forcing the German kings of Bohemia, Moravia, and the Sudetenland into exile, leading to the establishment of Czechoslovakia.
As for Mexico, they'll be forced into largely the same situation that blacks were in the South under Jim Crow: not enslaved, but inferior. This means that the Mexican territories are likely going to see the same things that the Southern US did: protests, lynching, discrimination, violence, and so forth, which will end with the Civil Rights Act in 1960s. By contrast, the segregation laws do not go into effect in Cuba or Puerto Rico, making Hispanics there legally equal due to their status as Commonwealth Territories until the 1980s. Besides, Hispanics can always move to Rio Grande. Or the Confederate ally in Venezuela.
Yugoslavia will likely face trouble from the Bulgarians, Slovenians, and (if it takes it) the Macedonians. Serbo-Croat-Montenegrin-Bosnian won't really divide into its subgroups until the late 1900s like IRL, resulting in a bloody civil war that likely ends in multiple small states.
Transcaucasia is a psychotic dictatorship that will begin implementing 'Georgification' policies if it has not already. This will result in some of the world's first genocides. Ethnic tensions may erupt, but most non-Georgians will be killed.
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:13 pm
Luziyca wrote:Unicario wrote:
Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.
Well, save for Dungania (with their all power), they still exist, but for all intents and purposes, they no longer have any sovereignty, and their internal affairs are really controlled by Beijing. All their citizens are eligible to vote in national elections, so while there are still theoretical leaders, it was essentially centralized by China. They officially were only abolished in 1907, but by the 1890s, it was seen by everyone including those within those areas (except some isolated groups) as Chinese.Ruridova wrote:Just like the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, right? It'll magically survive forever?
Germany has already gone through some nationalist hell with the Poles and as a result is basically working to totally and utterly destroy Polish culture, or at least integrate it into German culture. I'm not sure Alsace-Lorraine has the population. As for the Czechs and the Slovaks, I'm considering numerous bloody rebellions against Germany and Hungary in between this RP and the next, forcing the German kings of Bohemia, Moravia, and the Sudetenland into exile, leading to the establishment of Czechoslovakia.
As for Mexico, they'll be forced into largely the same situation that blacks were in the South under Jim Crow: not enslaved, but inferior. This means that the Mexican territories are likely going to see the same things that the Southern US did: protests, lynching, discrimination, violence, and so forth, which will end with the Civil Rights Act in 1960s. By contrast, the segregation laws do not go into effect in Cuba or Puerto Rico, making Hispanics there legally equal due to their status as Commonwealth Territories until the 1980s. Besides, Hispanics can always move to Rio Grande. Or the Confederate ally in Venezuela.
Yugoslavia will likely face trouble from the Bulgarians, Slovenians, and (if it takes it) the Macedonians. Serbo-Croat-Montenegrin-Bosnian won't really divide into its subgroups until the late 1900s like IRL, resulting in a bloody civil war that likely ends in multiple small states.
Transcaucasia is a psychotic dictatorship that will begin implementing 'Georgification' policies if it has not already. This will result in some of the world's first genocides. Ethnic tensions may erupt, but most non-Georgians will be killed.
I am probably thinking that perhaps China tries to get Transcaucasia to relocate their entire Azeri and Armenian populations to Dungania or even Chinese Africa, and ships sailing in the Caspian launch a mission to "save the Azeris and the Armenians from Georgian rule." As a result, Transcaucasia and China would likely be foes.
by Bojikami » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:50 pm
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:54 pm
For Amazonas?Bojikami wrote:Also, if Brazil is collapsing, Venezuela will invade.
by Ruridova » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:02 pm
by Unicario » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:12 pm
Ruridova wrote:Unicario wrote:
Oh, I didn't know China was already going to have annexed Manchuria and Mongolia by then. Let me fix thaaaaaaaaat.
The Ottoman Empire is not going to collapse, okay? It'll turn into a federation state. If we're going that way though, how come Germany is facing nationalist revolts in Bohemia, Polish regions and Alsace-Lorraine? You've only RP'd a small instance of nationalist fervor. And why won't the CSA have a horrific time subjugating Mexico? Hm?
Just like the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, right? It'll magically survive forever?
by Luziyca » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:22 pm
Ruridova wrote:Luziyca wrote:Well, save for Dungania (with their all power), they still exist, but for all intents and purposes, they no longer have any sovereignty, and their internal affairs are really controlled by Beijing. All their citizens are eligible to vote in national elections, so while there are still theoretical leaders, it was essentially centralized by China. They officially were only abolished in 1907, but by the 1890s, it was seen by everyone including those within those areas (except some isolated groups) as Chinese.
I am probably thinking that perhaps China tries to get Transcaucasia to relocate their entire Azeri and Armenian populations to Dungania or even Chinese Africa, and ships sailing in the Caspian launch a mission to "save the Azeris and the Armenians from Georgian rule." As a result, Transcaucasia and China would likely be foes.
Relocate them? That's like the Nazis founding Israel to relocate the Jews, or the DPRK founding the ROK to relocate dissidents. They wouldn't do that, they'd just kill them. Transcaucasia is also very close to Germany, and that ties China's hands due to the Sino-German alliance.
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