AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

[Shrillland]

Nearly 60 years have passed since the events in part one. During the late 1820-early 1830s Britain has once again been passing intolerable acts in the American colonies. Meanwhile, further north in Canada, people are clamouring for what they call responsible government. The conquest of India is nearly complete, and Africa is ripe for the taking, after the British took the Dutch colonies of Cape and Natal in the early 1800s. America has grown with the annexation of Louisiana after the Napoloeonic Wars, and Manifest Destiny is taking hold. Another war is about to begin...

IC thread: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=255179

List of Players

Shrillland(Great Britain and her colonies)
Luziyca(Chinese Empire, Ireland, Republic of Guyane/Anglo-Guyanese Condominium)
Ruridova(British North America, the German Empire, the Caucasian Free State)
Unicario(Empire of Japan, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Ottoman Empire, Incan Empire)
Epraria(Kingdom of Italy, United Kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Denmark, Kingdom of Brazil)
Vaktovian Empire(Al-Andalus, Spain [Incorporating Incan Federation+Paraguay], 1st French Republic, Algerian Empire, Russia, Afghanistan)

Here is the application:

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NS nation:
Nation you wish to take:
Leader:
Colonies(where applicable):
Population:
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni):

And here's mine...

NS Nation: Shrillland
Nation you wish to take: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Leader: King William IV
Colonies(where applicable): The Americas: American and Canadian Colonies(played by Ruridova), Rupert's Land, Leeward Islands Colony, Windward Islands Colony, Jamaica(at this time includes British Honduras, the Caymans,), Dominica, St. Lucia, Trinidad, the Bahamas(includes Turks and Caicos at this time), British Guiana, Bermuda, St. Helena, Falklands
Africa: Cape Colony, Leased territory of Bioko, British West Africa(including the Gambia, Senegal[never ceded to France since Britain crushed the rebellion in America], Liberia, and Sierra Leone), the Protectorate of Walvis Bay, Seychelles, Mauritius,
Asia: British India(now including Burma west of the Irrawaddy), British Malaya, Ceylon
South Pacific: New South Wales(including New Zealand until 1835), Van Diemen's Land(Tasmania), Western Australia, New Hebrides Colony
Europe: Gibraltar
Population: 160,000,000 empire-wide(the bulk of which is in India)
Brief History since part 1: Modernisation continued apace throughout the empire, with steam power on the rise, and now the first railroads will soon be built in Britain, and in several colonies. Quebec was divided into upper and lower Canada in 1791, and Australia was settled by convicts in 1788. Britain's hold in Africa has grown to include much of the west, and some of the eastern islands such as the Seychelles, which it gained along with Louisiana at the end of the Napoleonic wars. King George III died in 1820, and his son George IV died in 1827, after an unpopular reign. Now George IV's brother William IV is king, and Parliament's authority is growing. Between 1828-1834 many laws have been passed overruling American colonial laws, and even Canada is becoming opposed.

Please be realistic and accurate in your apps
Keep OOC in OOC thread
No double-posting, though edits are allowed within reason
You can play as a colony/dominion if your mother country says it's all right, otherwise the Mother country RPs its respective Colonies

Let's go!

[Luziyca]

NS nation: Luziyca
Nation you wish to take: The Celestial Empire of China
Leader: Daoguang Emperor
Colonies(where applicable): Here, although we are setting our eyes on Africa
Population: 395,784,700
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni):

[Ruridova]

Reserving British North America and the early-unified Germany.

[Ruridova]

NS nation: the Federated Republic of Ruridova
Nation you wish to take: British North America(the Dominions of Labrador, Canada, and America)
Leader: Field Marshal John Colborne, 1st Baron Seaton, Governor-General of British North America; King William IV of Great Britain and Ireland
Colonies(where applicable): None.
Population: 15 million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): Following its disastrous defeat at the hands of the British, Japanese, and Fijians in the American Rebellion of 1774, America has not-so-secretly longed for a second try at independence, with terrorist groups such as the Sons of Liberty and the Order of Saint Tammany being massively supported by the common man. Even in Canada, republican sentiment is growing, and anti-British sentiment is fostering there. In addition, in the south, Britain's movement towards abolitionism is highly worrying. The colonies are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with British authority and are on the verge of open rebellion...

NS nation: the Federated Republic of Ruridova
Nation you wish to take: the German Empire
Leader: Kaiser of Germany and of the Germans, Friedrich Wilhelm III, King of Prussia
Colonies(where applicable): None yet, though sights are set on Africa.
Population: 29 million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): During the Napoleonic Wars the Confederation of the Rhine successfully defeated Prussia and any other German resistance and thus became a unified Germany; however it was dissolved by the Congress of Vienna, and replaced with several smaller states: Rhineland, Saarland, Hesse, Hannover, Schwelsig-Holstein, Westphalia, Thuringia, Baden, Württemburg, Bavaria, Saxony, Anhalt-Brunswick, Mecklenburg, Brandenburg, Pomerania, Silesia, Prussia, and Posen. These nations formed the League of the Germanies, something of a recreation of a very loose Holy Roman Empire, led by the Chancellor of the League; the League decided fatefully in 1821 to forbid Austrian membership. The League remained a union until 1825 when the Frankfurt Congress was called and a unified German Empire was declared. Then in a brief war, from 1827 to 1829, Alsace-Lorraine was taken from France and made a member kingdom. The current Kaiser, elected from the Council of Nobles, is Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia.

[Unicario]

NS nation: Unicario
Nation you wish to take: The United Monarchy of Japan and Korea
Leader: Empress Akiko, age 80, preparing to celebrate her Diamond Jubilee.
Colonies(where applicable): Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, most of the Pacific Islands (includes Hawaii), Indochina, the part of Burma sold in 1776, Singapore, North Bombay, Malaya (I think that's everything Japan owned at the end of the last one)
Population: TBD
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni):

The Empire of Japan has experienced an age of golden glory. Empress Akiko, now called "The Divine Majesty" by her subjects, has ruled over the entirety of the new age. She was only 22 during the time of the American and Korean Revolutions, and is now a fragile old woman of 80, celebrating 60 years of her just reign. Japan has blossomed into a nation of freedom, the long-form of it called "The United Monarchy of Japan and Korea", symbolizing the Korean people's accession to equal status in the Japanese Empire.

Akiko, being 80, has outlived the absolute majority of her peers during the Revolution and Napoleonic Wars. Her best friend and childhood companion, George III von Hanover, passed away 14 years ago, and her husband died 8 years ago, leaving her embittered and alone. She was named the godmother to Victoria, a young princess related to George III, whom she saw much of herself in. She became her tutor, and Victoria recently left for her home, having a vast education in Japanese, English and other things.

Her heir, Prince George, is famous for being the first Anglo-Japanese Emperor in the history of the nation. Japan's sphere of influence has blossomed immensely due to the Asian Trade League, which remains in effect even in 1834.

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NS nation: Unicario
Nation you wish to take: The United Kingdom of the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg.
Leader: William I van Oranje, King of Netherlands
Colonies(where applicable): Several islands in the North American continent, Dutch Guinea, Dutch holdings in Ghana, Indonesia and Eastern Malaya (Japan owns western).
Population: TBD
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni):

The Netherlands was occupied by France, and it's empire shrank as Britain seized the Cape and Sri Lanka, but William I holds on to Belgium post-war, and intends to keep it that way.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Post to track this thread.

[Luziyca]

Part of me is really tempted to get a Tsardom of Russia whose Tsar lost all of his family except himself, his wife and his daughter, and said daughter marries the Chinese crown prince, and so when the Tsar dies, the Crown Prince becomes Tsar, but then abdicates, and transfer it to the Daoguang Emperor.

But I am not going to do that, although it would be fun.

[Ruridova]

Part of me is really tempted to get a Tsardom of Russia whose Tsar lost all of his family except himself, his wife and his daughter, and said daughter marries the Chinese crown prince, and so when the Tsar dies, the Crown Prince becomes Tsar, but then abdicates, and transfer it to the Daoguang Emperor.

But I am not going to do that, although it would be fun.

That's even worse than the Yamatos ruling Prussia.

[Unicario]

Part of me is really tempted to get a Tsardom of Russia whose Tsar lost all of his family except himself, his wife and his daughter, and said daughter marries the Chinese crown prince, and so when the Tsar dies, the Crown Prince becomes Tsar, but then abdicates, and transfer it to the Daoguang Emperor.

But I am not going to do that, although it would be fun.

That's even worse than the Yamatos ruling Prussia.

Heh. ^_^

[Ruridova]

That's even worse than the Yamatos ruling Prussia.

Heh. ^_^

Of course, y'know, that RP was... different. Me as an Ireland that succeeded where America failed, and that Chinese player...

[Shrillland]

How well I remember that... my first attempt which crashed spectacularly.

[Fortunagen]

NS nation:Fortunagen
Nation you wish to take: The Fijian Empire!(Now with less democracy!)
Leader: Commander Robert F. Hartford
Colonies(where applicable): Western Chile, Easter Island, New Zealand, Eastern New Guinea(Papua New Guinea), Micronesia, New Caledonia, Vanuatu, Tuvalu the Solomon Islands, Kiribati, French Polynesia, Samoa, Tonga, Marshall Islands, Romtuma, Grand Bahama, Palau, and a tiny piece of land on the Georgia/Florida border.
Population: 98,302,930
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): Well, With the Republic focusing more on the sciences, it led away from a Republic and into more of a scientific elitist government, with almost all focus being put on advancing tech and education. A President is still elected by the general populace, but instead of a Senate there is an Imperial Council, a team of the leading scientists and military generals of the nation. Dirt imported from Asia and South America has built Easter Island into a massive city, with cities such as New Ishima and Nova Roma(the only city in the Empire with a demographic made up mostly of Italians) thriving in South America. Finally, the cities of Freeport and Fort Hastings in North America serve a major trade outposts, and the Fijian Navy ensures that the logistics, while extremely challenging, are protected and given passage around the continents. Plantation Islands have also emerged, islands with a single dock and a massive plantation with a leading family from which provides all the needs to the other citizens of the island. These plantations ensure the large populations of the metropolitan islands are always fed and thus ensuring that the Empire can still operate.

[Arumdaum]

NS nation: Arumdaum

Nation you wish to take: Tawantinsuyu (Inka is a title meaning "lord" or "ruler," and originally referred to ruling class or family, Spain later made this refer to all citizens after conquering the empire, but that doesn't happen in this) I'm not entirely sure whether to keep this name, though, since it means "four quarters," and I'm planning on playing an expanded Tawantinsuyu. However, the name could simply have been kept I guess.

Leader: Túpac Amaru Yupanqui (if only 'Shakur' originated from Runa Simi...)

Colonies(where applicable): It's hard to say exactly just what would be a colony to Tawantinsuyu. The Inca would traditionally forcibly relocate the native ethnic groups to separate areas in which they would be forced to speak Runa Simi alongside other native groups who were forced to do the same with forced assimilation policies. However, I've made a map of the areas which I'd like to have. It's around a fifth of the size of the British Empire, a less than a fourth of the size of the Russian, less than half the size of China, smaller than what's left of Brazil, and smaller than Australia (though it may not look like it). The lands I've claimed are largely the Andes and everything east of it, as well as Panama, which itself is pretty mountainous. I've also taken the pampas and Patagonia, which both have mild climates which my population, which is generally used to an 'eternal spring' climate (subtropical highland) should be used to.

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Population: The population estimate of the Inca Empire in 1527, shortly before a smallpox epidemic had reached it from the hinterlands and wiped out half of its population in a single epidemic, including the emperor Wayna Qhapaq and his designated heir, ruined agriculture, industry, and launched a horrific civil war between two men who vied for the throne, before Pizarro came to Tawantinsuyu in the midst of that civil war, before when right after that a measles epidemic hit and took away 2/3 of the survivors of smallpox, and then another smallpox epidemic, and then another epidemic, and so on... was around 20,000,000 people, according to Wikipedia, with some estimates going as high as 34,000,000. This is generally in line with historians, archaeologists, etc. who are constantly raising the population estimates of the Americas before Columbus' arrival.

I've been wondering if I could have a nation in which the diseases wrought from the domestication of large mammals such as horses, cattle, and camels (which didn't exist or had long ago, before the Neolithic revolution, gone extinct) don't end up killing >97% of my population, launching a shitty civil war in which the largest and most powerful empire doesn't fall from a few hundred guys on horseback finding the recent victor of the civil war and killing him. Pizarro himself later said that it would have been impossible for him to conquer the empire (even after its population was decimated by an amount much more than Europe during the Black Death) if Wayna Qhapaq had not died and the empire was not thrown into civil war.

I was also thinking perhaps, that like Japan beginning in the Meiji Era, or the failed attempts of Egypt, the Ottoman Empire, or China during the late 19th century, that Tawantinsuyu itself would seek to modernize, although around this time I'm assuming that no one would really know what industrialization was since it's sort of too early (maybe not if it's 1830 instead of 1773). Horses would definitely be adopted due to the speed at which they travel (much faster than messengers going by foot), how they can be used for farming, how you can actually ride them unlike llamas or alpacas, etc. There's the problem though than Tawantinsuyu roads were stepped, which was great for llamas and people, but really shitty for horses. We should also have adopted cattle, sheep, goats, donkeys, the wheel, steel and iron weapons, gunpowder, etc.

There's also where in this I've had Tawantinsuyu conquer the pampas of Uruguay and Argentina and pacified the Mapuche and other groups in Patagonia.

Thus I would like to choose a population of around 54,000,000, if that's possible. Of course, being a newcomer to modernization and industrialization (we'd still be mostly dependent upon agriculture rather than industry), our GDP per capita should be much lower. This is, of course, somewhat less than Russia's population in 1830, and nothing near Qing China's population of around 400 million during this period (China would later undergo a significant population decline and then read 400 million again in 1900). It should also be considerably less than British India's population of around 275 - 300 million during this time.

[Luziyca]

-snip-

It was because of the Taiping Rebellion which I may not have happen.

[Arumdaum]

Also, what's the Alternate History for Fiji? Depending on how early it it forms, and how powerful it gets, and whether it reaches Rapa Nui, a voyage can be made from Rapa Nui to Tawantinsuyu, and from Tawantinsuyu to Rapa Nui. Early Fijian contact with the inhabitants of Rapa Nui can result in the transfer of pigs to the island, which can then be transferred to the Americas, making the effects of diseases an pigs less deadly than they were in real life later on.

[Fortunagen]

Also, what's the Alternate History for Fiji? Depending on how early it it forms, and how powerful it gets, and whether it reaches Rapa Nui, a voyage can be made from Rapa Nui to Tawantinsuyu, and from Tawantinsuyu to Rapa Nui. Early Fijian contact with the inhabitants of Rapa Nui can result in the transfer of pigs to the island, which can then be transferred to the Americas, making the effects of diseases an pigs less deadly than they were in real life later on.

Well, I believe we had it where Fiji was a Japanese colonial expedition gone awry, and over time many different ethnicities formed a nation.

I'm not remembering the specifics at this time...

[Unicario]

Also, what's the Alternate History for Fiji? Depending on how early it it forms, and how powerful it gets, and whether it reaches Rapa Nui, a voyage can be made from Rapa Nui to Tawantinsuyu, and from Tawantinsuyu to Rapa Nui. Early Fijian contact with the inhabitants of Rapa Nui can result in the transfer of pigs to the island, which can then be transferred to the Americas, making the effects of diseases an pigs less deadly than they were in real life later on.

Fiji was founded in the 1500's by Japanese colonists who got lost at sea.

[Arumdaum]

Also, what's the Alternate History for Fiji? Depending on how early it it forms, and how powerful it gets, and whether it reaches Rapa Nui, a voyage can be made from Rapa Nui to Tawantinsuyu, and from Tawantinsuyu to Rapa Nui. Early Fijian contact with the inhabitants of Rapa Nui can result in the transfer of pigs to the island, which can then be transferred to the Americas, making the effects of diseases an pigs less deadly than they were in real life later on.

Fiji was founded in the 1500's by Japanese colonists who got lost at sea.

What's Japan's alternate history?

If there's not many changes before the 1700's, I think Japanese colonists taking over Fiji would be much easier following the mass production of guns in Japan during the end of the Sengoku period, when it was producing more guns than in all of Europe at the time.

[Arumdaum]

Actually, should I create an empire based in Africa rather than in the Americas? I think that might be easier.

Also, what year are we starting in again? If it's 1830, Africa really shouldn't be ripe for the taking, as technology had not advanced sufficiently enough yet to allow the navigation of the African interior, nor to prevent the heavy amount of European deaths from malaria (horses fared even worse, iirc). African rivers couldn't really be navigated until the invention of steam riverboats, and tonic to help lessen the effects of malaria. Furthermore, the tropical climate was not suitable towards European crops or animals either.

[Luziyca]

Actually, should I create an empire based in Africa rather than in the Americas?

I'd recommend Ethiopia, but I prefer Americas.

[Unicario]

Fiji was founded in the 1500's by Japanese colonists who got lost at sea.

What's Japan's alternate history?

If there's not many changes before the 1700's, I think Japanese colonists taking over Fiji would be much easier following the mass production of guns in Japan during the end of the Sengoku period, when it was producing more guns than in all of Europe at the time.

It's entirely likely Japan traded with the Inca. Japan overthrew the bafuku in the 1330's, and has seeked to expand her empire. So it's pretty likely Japan traded with the Inca and gave them stuff that prevented their fall by Spain.

[Fortunagen]

I'm wondering if I should establish the city-state of Zanzibar...

Should I?

[Arumdaum]

I'm wondering if I should establish the city-state of Zanzibar...

Should I?

Like have Fiji found it or you want to RP it?

[Epraria]

NS nation: Epraria
Nation you wish to take: Il Regno d'Italia
Leader: Re Charles Albert
Colonies(where applicable): None as of yet.
Population: 19 million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): After the Napoleonic wars the kingdom of Sardinia got hold of Corsica after the Vienna congress. After this Sardinia was obsessed with uniting Italy and 1832 an expedition was sent to sicily that made the kingdom of two sicilies collapse and join Sardinia. With most of Italy at its control Sardinia decisively defeated Austria 1835 and gained control of northern Italy and after a short campaign 1837 Italy conquered the papal states in a short campaign. So after this the king of Sardinia Charles albert declared himself the Re of Italia.

[Arumdaum]

What's Japan's alternate history?

If there's not many changes before the 1700's, I think Japanese colonists taking over Fiji would be much easier following the mass production of guns in Japan during the end of the Sengoku period, when it was producing more guns than in all of Europe at the time.

It's entirely likely Japan traded with the Inca. Japan overthrew the bafuku in the 1330's, and has seeked to expand her empire. So it's pretty likely Japan traded with the Inca and gave them stuff that prevented their fall by Spain.

Successful Kemmu restoration?

Ah, but that's great! Interacting with the Japanese and shipping large enough amounts of horses, cattle, sheep, and other animals should give us protection against Afro-Eurasian germs in the long run, causing smallpox to not kill off 50% of the population in a single year and launching a civil war during which Spanish soldiers arrived to conquer the area (which was suffering from huge famines from the death of farmers from disease, everyone dying and killing each other, destruction of the bureaucracy, etc.).