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[Kamchastkia]

Hate speech is already a crime

Since when? What clause? I must have voted without reading the whole bill for once.

Also, if hate speech is defined there as including insults that do not incite violence, then we best leave it unpunished, because that's ridiculous.

Uhm, the ILA was passed by vote...

[Ainin]

Hate speech is already a crime

Since when? What clause? I must have voted without reading the whole bill for once.

Also, if hate speech is defined there as including insults that do not incite violence, then we best leave it unpunished, because that's ridiculous.

The International Law Act ratified (through a friendly amendment proposed by *GN senator name*) the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which states any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

[Phocidaea]

Since when? What clause? I must have voted without reading the whole bill for once.

Also, if hate speech is defined there as including insults that do not incite violence, then we best leave it unpunished, because that's ridiculous.

The International Law Act ratified (through a friendly amendment proposed by *GN senator name*) the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which states any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

Ah, never mind, no problem then.

That doesn't ban what I think is the most ridiculous overextension of "hate speech" as a term, which means we can still conceivably vote against the new act.

[The Nihilistic view]

Hate speech is already a crime

Since when? What clause? I must have voted without reading the whole bill for once.

Also, if hate speech is defined there as including insults that do not incite violence, then we best leave it unpunished, because that's ridiculous.

Seconded.

This would effectively outlaw free speech given what some wimps think is insulting and take offence too *Insert well known Stephen Fry quote here*

Hate speech fine, but all insults?

[New Waterford]

Since when? What clause? I must have voted without reading the whole bill for once.

Also, if hate speech is defined there as including insults that do not incite violence, then we best leave it unpunished, because that's ridiculous.

Seconded.

This would effectively outlaw free speech given what some wimps think is insulting and take offence too *Insert well known Stephen Fry quote here*

Hate speech fine, but all insults?

Not all insults are banned by this Act.

[Jack Holland]

I stand for a DIRECT NO for the bill about Hate Speech. This is a slippery slope argument as who decides what is hate speech. Today, hate speech could be using the "N" word to a person of African descent or saying Hitler was justified in the Holocaust but Tommorrow, Hate Speech could mean anything offensive about the government and could be used as an excuse to attack the Freedom of Press and Freedom of Speech. Hatefull words are the price of free speech just like gridlock and efficiency are the price of democracy.

[Maklohi Vai]

Order
To deal with issues pertinent to the Interior and Justice ministries

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Section C
- Restriction of Corporal Punishment Act
- Criminalisation of Hate Speech Act
- First Amendment to the Internal Security Act
-Improved Firearms Safety and Licencing Act
-Private Security Regulation and Licencing Act
-Aurentine Information Sharing Act
-Blues and Twos Act

I have updated the queue, somewhat stupidly... This queue is so inefficient it's unbelievable... Might have to propose some more amendments myself and people wonder why we have bills from ages ago waiting to be voting on.

Please debate the bills above, time will not be extended etc..

- Battlion

Which is exactly why I was against adding a bill limit to the original SIMBEDS bill when I wrote it. We either choose efficiency and a lot of bills at once or a slow pace with fewer bills.

Now, about the category. Ainin is right that my previous ruling was made under different circumstances, and I don't fault him for that judgement. By law, we must split the category into C and D, so that is what we will do.

And I'll be writing a bill to repeal the category limits, or at least change them significantly. This is out of hand.

[New Bierstaat]

Order
To deal with issues pertinent to the Interior and Justice ministries

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Section C
- Restriction of Corporal Punishment Act
- Criminalisation of Hate Speech Act
- First Amendment to the Internal Security Act
-Improved Firearms Safety and Licencing Act
-Private Security Regulation and Licencing Act
-Aurentine Information Sharing Act
-Blues and Twos Act

I have updated the queue, somewhat stupidly... This queue is so inefficient it's unbelievable... Might have to propose some more amendments myself and people wonder why we have bills from ages ago waiting to be voting on.

Please debate the bills above, time will not be extended etc..

- Battlion

Which is exactly why I was against adding a bill limit to the original SIMBEDS bill when I wrote it. We either choose efficiency and a lot of bills at once or a slow pace with fewer bills.

Now, about the category. Ainin is right that my previous ruling was made under different circumstances, and I don't fault him for that judgement. By law, we must split the category into C and D, so that is what we will do.

And I'll be writing a bill to repeal the category limits, or at least change them significantly. This is out of hand.

Even raising the limit by one or two would really help cut it down - we'd probably never see a D again.

[Ainin]

This is a slippery slope argument as who decides what is hate speech.

And that is a slippery slope fallacy.

"Because we ban speech that incites violence and hate, we will soon ban sedition!"

[The Nihilistic view]

Which is exactly why I was against adding a bill limit to the original SIMBEDS bill when I wrote it. We either choose efficiency and a lot of bills at once or a slow pace with fewer bills.

Now, about the category. Ainin is right that my previous ruling was made under different circumstances, and I don't fault him for that judgement. By law, we must split the category into C and D, so that is what we will do.

And I'll be writing a bill to repeal the category limits, or at least change them significantly. This is out of hand.

Even raising the limit by one or two would really help cut it down - we'd probably never see a D again.

We should not be seeing a D or even a C now if the Yan had not screwed up the process last week then gone inactive.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Can I ask all discussion of the topic not related to Order C to go to the lobby please.

[Oneracon]

The Transparent Pricing Act has enough sponsors to be added to Business & Finance.

Transparent Pricing Act
Urgency: Low | Author: Oneracon [RG] | Category: Business & Finance
Sponsors: The Nihilistic view [IP], Kamchastkia [SAP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Geilinor [NDP], Fulflood [NDP]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

SEEKING to ensure that customers are aware of the full cost of the goods and services so as to make informed decisions about purchasing,

FURTHER SEEKING to ensure that the share of cost originating from retailers and service providers is made distinct from costs originating from government taxes;

HEREBY ENACTS the following:

Definitions

1. For the purposes of this Act, "sales tax" shall be defined as any tax levied by the Commonwealth of Aurentina and any subdivisions thereof on goods and/or services.
2. For the purposes of this Act, "price tag" shall be defined as a label, sticker, tag or other written medium for expressing the price of a specified good.
3. For the purposes of this Act, "sales receipt" shall be defined as a printed or written record given to a consumer at the point of sale which lists the purchases made.
4. For the purposes of this Act, "invoice" shall be defined as a document issued to a consumer indicating the products, quantities, and agreed-upon prices for products or services rendered.
   
   Taxes Included in Price Tags
5. All goods sold in the Commonwealth of Aurentina by public or private entities shall be accompanied by a price tag displaying the price of the goods including all relevant sales tax(es).
   
   Taxes Included in Menus
6. All menus and equivalents used by food purveyors shall display the price of an item including all relevant sales tax(es).
   
   Sales Receipts and Invoices
7. All sales receipts and invoices shall include the total price(s) of goods and services rendered including all relevant sales tax(es) as well as the amounts of all relevant sales tax(es) on separate lines below the total price.

[Skeckoa]

This is a slippery slope argument as who decides what is hate speech.

And that is a slippery slope fallacy.

"Because we ban speech that incites violence and hate, we will soon ban sedition!"

It has happened before in many counties, and all it takes is one bad situation to go public and make the whole Senate loo horribly bad to the populace.

[Oneracon]

And that is a slippery slope fallacy.

"Because we ban speech that incites violence and hate, we will soon ban sedition!"

It has happened before in many counties, and all it takes is one bad situation to go public and make the whole Senate loo horribly bad to the populace.

And what, pray tell, would be such a bad incident?

[The Nihilistic view]

It has happened before in many counties, and all it takes is one bad situation to go public and make the whole Senate loo horribly bad to the populace.

And what, pray tell, would be such a bad incident?

The Iron party takes power!

[Oneracon]

And what, pray tell, would be such a bad incident?

The Iron party takes power!

Well then we all might as well flee the country, because there's no going back if that ever happens.

[The Nihilistic view]

The Iron party takes power!

Well then we all might as well flee the country, because there's no going back if that ever happens.

Nah, you'll be alright as long as your a citizen.

[Venaleria]

If the admins could update the archive straight away that would be very helpful, I will update it myself if possible.

- Battlion

Again, I must note that you are not SPpT, you are Temporary Secretary, therefore, there is no jurisdiction allowing the Secretary to update the archives. Besides, the admins have come to the conclusion that they will only include links to bills instead of posting them on the thread.

[Ainin]

It has happened before in many counties,

Like?

(preferably a country similar to us, and not some hellhole like North Korea)

[Kamchastkia]

It has happened before in many counties,

Like?

(preferably a country similar to us, and not some hellhole like North Korea)

(North Korea isn't a hellhole)

[The Nihilistic view]

Like?

(preferably a country similar to us, and not some hellhole like North Korea)

(North Korea isn't a hellhole)

When I think of hell, North Korea is the place on earth I imagine it to be like.

[Kamchastkia]

(North Korea isn't a hellhole)

When I think of hell, North Korea is the place on earth I imagine it to be like.

When you imagine hell, you imagine a place you've never seen and most the information you've heard about it is plain propaganda. If north korea is hell I wouldn't mind going there.

[Ainin]

Like?

(preferably a country similar to us, and not some hellhole like North Korea)

(North Korea isn't a hellhole)

*sigh*

(preferably a country similar to us, and not some nation generally accepted by the public to be a hellhole like North Korea)

Better now?

[Kamchastkia]

(North Korea isn't a hellhole)

*sigh*

(preferably a country similar to us, and not some nation generally accepted by the public to be a hellhole like North Korea)

Better now?

Nope. It's still implying falsities, a better one would be (preferably a country similar to us, and not some country that leaves its poor on the streets to die of hunger and thirst like the United States).

[The Nihilistic view]

When I think of hell, North Korea is the place on earth I imagine it to be like.

When you imagine hell, you imagine a place you've never seen and most the information you've heard about it is plain propaganda. If north korea is hell I wouldn't mind going there.

I have seen some actually, an illegally filmed BBC documentary. From what I saw and the testimony of numerous escapees it is the country on earth most like hell. Close second would probably be Zimbabwe but NK is easily the worst nation on earth in which to live.