[ON HOLD] Commend Fauzjhia

[Millenhaal]

Hi! Today we’re recognizing Fauzjhia, a player with immense cards and statistical prowess. Enjoy!

This Security Council,

Aware that, in the cutthroat and vicious world of international artwork, while individual actors are so often pushed by greed, callousness, and an insatiable drive to hoard as much priceless international artwork as they can so as to inflate their own personal wealth, very few ever show any desire to share that wealth with others who might need it to build a collection of their own,

Celebrating the nation of Fauzjhia for going against the precedent set by other less-than-savory international artwork connoisseurs in the same field by giving away staggering quantities of Legendary artwork in an unabashed act of selflessness:

• Allowing nations unable to invest large amounts of time and effort into sophisticated artwork retrieval techniques, through their system of giveaways, to own rare and valuable pieces of art, and give said pieces of art out indiscriminately to any nation who files a request;
• Using the incentive of desirable artwork to encourage members of The Rejected Realms to endorse the delegate of said region, increasing the region’s stability by offering extra artwork for those who take up the offer;
• Expanding the opportunity to receive Legendary artwork to the artwork-collection organization known as the Card Gardens, where Fauzjhia runs regular giveaways via a lottery system, exciting all Card Gardeners when it occurs and driving activity there;
• Creating a system of trades through the North Pacific Card Guild’s Card Sharks program, where nations can gift copies of Fauzjhia’s various satellites to them and accumulate points, which are then used to retrieve legendary art;

Astounded by Fauzjhia’s gargantuan art museums maintained in the nearby satellite states of Sunhizria, Japanese Beetles, and Llunazshia, which serve to showcase every single Legendary piece of art from every edition of artwork presently known, with each hosting first, second, and third edition Legendary artworks respectively,

Revering Fauzjhia’s commitment to collecting not only Legendary artwork, but also those of Fauzjhia itself and its satellites, amassing thousands and thousands of copies of anything that depicts them, and eventually gathering enough pieces to ensure that any Fauzjhian satellite possesses at least one complete gallery of impressive work from their compatriots,

Praising Fauzjhia’s impressive commitment to developing harmonious and well-functioning societies in their satellites that display diverse forms of government, unique cultures, and good governance within each, while almost all other nations notable for artwork collecting tend to leave theirs in absolute ruin, with nothing to offer their entrapped citizens. Examples of Fauzjhia’s sphere of influence include the regions of:

• Lunaria, the planets of Fauzjhia’s vast solar system, who specialize in creating societies that focus on the reduction of any threat that can be seen to human life, and succeed immensely at this goal, ranking consistently as some of the most safe, compassionate, and peaceful polities to be identified by the World Census;
• Jeinnhezslhaunia, a collection of mineral-rich nations who take great pride in the gemstones that can be found there, with every nation having a favorite gem that their nation is named for and prizes above all else. Jeinnhezslhaunian nations are driven by a desire to make life free for all who reside there, and they have succeeded in this so much that artwork from the region is consistently desired by other collectors for their own museums;
• World of Beetles, a pocket dimension filled with sentient insectoid creatures originating from simple lawn bugs. The beetles of this land are afflicted with an insatiable desire for pizza and other fast food items, but they have not let this genetic craving get in the way of them being among the healthiest nations around. World of Beetles nations also possess a staggeringly high food quality for a region so dominated by food that is cheap and easy to make;

Noting that, since the collapse of Drasnia, Fauzjhia has maintained an in-depth database of humorous and whimsical events that many nations strive to encounter for the amusement of their leaders, making valuable contributions in the search of finding the most accurate national information and statistics needed for each of these events, using the aforementioned satellites in the community’s favor to test the conditions, and providing tips for other nations that allow them to come across several of these events;

Concluding that the nation of Fauzjhia has become an immense force for good in the world of cards through their extreme generosity, and has built something truly impeccable in each and every Fauzjhian satellite, proving that any nation, satellite or no, can strive for greatness like Fauzjhia's have.


The Security Council hereby Commends Fauzjhia.

Coauthored by Giovanniland

Aware that, in the cutthroat and vicious world of international artwork, while individual actors are so often pushed by greed, callousness, and an insatiable drive to hoard as much priceless international artwork as they can so as to inflate their own personal wealth, very few ever show any desire to share that wealth with others who might need it to build a collection of their own,

Celebrating the nation of Fauzjhia for going against the precedent set by other less-than-savory international artwork connoisseurs in the same field by giving away staggering quantities of Legendary artwork in an unabashed act of selflessness:

• Allowing nations unable to invest large amounts of time and effort into sophisticated artwork retrieval techniques, through their system of giveaways, to own rare and valuable pieces of art, and give said pieces of art out indiscriminately to any nation who files a request;
• Using the incentive of desirable artwork to encourage members of The Rejected Realms to endorse the delegate of said region, increasing the region’s stability by offering extra artwork for those who take up the offer;
• Expanding the opportunity to receive Legendary artwork to the artwork-collection organization known as the Card Gardens, where Fauzjhia runs regular giveaways via a lottery system, exciting all Card Gardeners when it occurs and driving activity there;
• Creating a system of trades through the North Pacific Card Guild’s Card Sharks program, where nations can gift copies of Fauzjhia’s various satellites to them and accumulate points, which are then used to retrieve legendary art;

Astounded by Fauzjhia’s gargantuan art museums maintained in the nearby satellite states of Sunhizria, Japanese Beetles, and Llunazshia, which serve to showcase every single Legendary piece of art from every edition of artwork presently known, with each hosting first, second, and third edition Legendary artworks respectively,

Revering Fauzjhia’s commitment to collecting not only Legendary artwork, but also those of Fauzjhia itself and its satellites, amassing thousands and thousands of copies of anything that depicts them, and eventually gathering enough pieces to ensure that any Fauzjhian satellite possesses at least one complete gallery of impressive work from their compatriots,

Praising Fauzjhia’s impressive commitment to developing harmonious and well-functioning societies in their satellites that display diverse forms of government, unique cultures, and good governance within each, while almost all other nations notable for artwork collecting tend to leave theirs in absolute ruin, with nothing to offer their entrapped citizens. Examples of Fauzjhia’s sphere of influence include the regions of:

• Lunaria, the scattered planets and moons of Fauzjhia’s vast solar system, who specialize in creating societies that focus on the reduction of any threat that can be seen to human life, and succeed immensely at this goal, ranking consistently as some of the most safe, compassionate, and peaceful polities to be identified by the World Census;
• Jeinnhezslhaunia, a collection of mineral-rich nations who take great pride in the gemstones that can be found there, with every nation having a favorite gem that their nation is named for and prizes above all else. Jeinnhezslhaunian nations are driven by a desire to make life free for all who reside there, and they have succeeded in this so much that artwork from the region is consistently desired by other collectors for their own museums;
• World of Beetles, a pocket dimension filled with sentient insectoid creatures originating from simple lawn bugs. The beetles of this land are afflicted with an insatiable desire for pizza and other fast food items, but they have not let this genetic craving get in the way of them being among the healthiest nations around. World of Beetles nations also possess a staggeringly high food quality for a region so dominated by food that is cheap and easy to make;

Impressed by Fauzjhian domestic policy analysts, who have catalogued most of the common problems faced by world leaders of today and compiled them in a way that brings forward the most obvious answers to suit the goals of any individual Fauzjhian satellite, all the while tracking the growth of Fauzjhian satellites to achieving what each believes to be the ultimate utopia over time,

Noting that, since the collapse of Drasnia, Fauzjhia has maintained an in-depth database of humorous and whimsical events that many nations strive to encounter for the amusement of their leaders, greatly expediting the process of searching for the right conditions by simple word of mouth alone,

The Security Council Hereby Commends Fauzjhia.

Co-authored by Giovanniland.

[Tinhampton]

Support. No comments save to suggest the possible addition of a final summary clause.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I like the writing, maybe a little over-flowery in places, but it’s a nicely put together draft. However, I’m still not convinced by it. It feels like an expanded version of your last attempt without adding anything extra in terms of achievement.

So, still not in favour of a Commendation.

[Saint Tomas and the Northern Ice Islands]

The fact that you included the last two clauses, one about a spreadsheet that they and only they use (for their own benefit) for getting high stats, and the other about being the OP of an Easter Egg spoiler thread where they didn't even make breakthroughs in the process of finding them, just maintaining a thread that someone else made, tells me that you're reaching very far to commend this nation and makes me wonder about the gravity of the other accomplishments

[Bormiar]

I don't know what the precedent is, but "season one", "season two", etc seem to be straying away from the International Artwork theme. Are you good with puns? You might be able to turn "season [X]" into a little pun by combining it with a style of art. (Season) Onestructivism. (Season) PoinTWOlism.

You could try mapping seasons one, two, and three to prehistoric, modernist, and contemporary art, respectively. But that's not scalable.

The most scalable option is also the dorkiest. Seasontwotionistic art. Seasononearoque art.

Is this NationStates-y or am I being an idiot?

[Giovanniland]

The fact that you included the last two clauses, one about a spreadsheet that they and only they use (for their own benefit) for getting high stats, and the other about being the OP of an Easter Egg spoiler thread where they didn't even make breakthroughs in the process of finding them, just maintaining a thread that someone else made, tells me that you're reaching very far to commend this nation and makes me wonder about the gravity of the other accomplishments

It's not any random spreadsheet, but a huge spreadsheet for the purpose of keeping track of issues and the respective options that are best for any nation, and also tracks progress for the many nations they have that they carefully build stats on.

As for the Easter Egg thread, arguing that "they didn't even make breakthroughs in the process of finding them" is incorrect, because Fauzjhia didn't just copy and paste the contents of Drasnia's thread and then call it a day. They've made many contributions additions to what custom fields and which values for each of them are possible ways to get an easter egg, plus other requirements such as stat thresholds needed — not to mention they have many puppets dedicated to stats means they can also extensively test it and share the results with the community.

Also, after some discussion with Millenhaal we've made some changes to the text. A closing clause has been added, and the above details pertaining to the easter egg thread were also included (although we're struggling to find an exact IC way to say custom fields, currently it's "national information" but we're open to suggestions). Due to character count issues the spreadsheet clause was removed, though.

[The Ice States]

No objections to this.

[Destructive Government Economic System]

Support; Fauz has continued to support many areas of the card community and this draft's looking good so far

[Pineappleistania]

No disrespect intended towards Fauzjhia, but I fail to see how they are commendable, despite the contents of this proposal.

Fauzjhia is undeniably a persistent and notable figure in the cards community, and they have certainly donated a large sum of legendary cards to users across NS. In addition, they can be helpful when it comes to building left wing utopias, the pizza industry, and easter eggs.

However, I do not believe that these are commendable on their own, nor do I think that Fauzjhia has made a level of impact on the game to warrant a commendation. Frankly, if the above items are the prerequisites, then I should be expecting my commendation soon, having given away a greater volume of cards, running one of the GI reference threads for a period of time, and maintaining a few extreme stat nations.

I do not feel like Fauzjhia has notably changed the game in the way every other cards c/c nominee has; they largely play their own game of collecting thousands of their own puppet cards at all costs while boosting the stats of dozens of nearly identical nations, much in the same vein as the Kyleden nations (who are a bit more diverse). With the existence of Trott's stat database, the spreadsheet isn't a particularly useful feat beyond a personal reference. Collecting every legendary from every season is impressive, but a number of users have accomplished that feat. Self collecting isn't particularly uncommon, and the regional initiatives are similarly common.

[Valentine Z]

Support, of my personal opinion that, as a few others might have put it - it's not just that they copy-pasted some data from elsewhere and call it a day. I know this is a relatively obscure place to see, but those in Got Issues Discord will see that they have been very, very consistent with keeping up their stats, and for not just one but for many, many of their nations.

I have no opinion on the Trading Cards side; I have not been playing that for a long time now.

[Bormiar]

I am selling my vote on this resolution for one epic card or best offer. Please buy. I have one WA nation.

[Zerphen]

Full support! Ever since I joined cards I've expected this would happen one day.

No disrespect intended towards Fauzjhia, but I fail to see how they are commendable, despite the contents of this proposal.

Fauzjhia is undeniably a persistent and notable figure in the cards community, and they have certainly donated a large sum of legendary cards to users across NS.
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However, I do not believe that these are commendable on their own, nor do I think that Fauzjhia has made a level of impact on the game to warrant a commendation.
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the regional initiatives are similarly common.

Look through Fauz's two forum threads and their gift dispatches and you should quickly understand that they are on a completely different level than anyone else in this regard. I don't think there is one nation, nay, any group, that has given away high value cards to the volume and level of consistency that Fauz has. If there is such a person or group, I would be happy to be corrected.

[Noahs Second Country]

TNL, the card gardens, me, are all probably at similar or greater magnitudes.

[Millenhaal]

I should be expecting my commendation soon.

Most of this was a matter of opinion, and I can’t really change that. You think what you think. However, this bit in particular stood out, because haven’t you already gotten an equivalent? If you think what you do is worthy of recognition, and I believe it is, then allow me to congratulate you because you’ve got it.

[Noahs Second Country]

I should be expecting my commendation soon.

Most of this was a matter of opinion, and I can’t really change that. You think what you think. However, this bit in particular stood out, because haven’t you already gotten an equivalent? If you think what you do is worthy of recognition, and I believe it is, then allow me to congratulate you because you’ve got it.

The factors I mentioned played little to no role in my condemnation or happened after it. It was also not a serious proposition; I imagine that they would not be factors if I were ever to get additional recognition at any point.

[Giovanniland]

TNL, the card gardens, me, are all probably at similar or greater magnitudes.

On the contrary, Fauzjhia's giveaways in the Card Gardens alone surpass in value the ones that I host, not even counting the others they do. As for your giveaways, to my understanding they were one-time events, whereas Fauzjhia has been doing giveaways much more continuously and for over two years, consistently farming and outputting legendaries and other high value cards that are then gifted.

Which leaves out TNL/r3n, and I'd argue that they're similar in terms of the huge effort and generosity put on farming and gifting so many cards to other people. R3n's commendation that you wrote dedicates three clauses to the giveaways (Acknowledging, Understanding and Noting).

It's also worth mentioning that, while access to TNP's legendary lotteries required the commitment of having one's World Assembly nation there and regularly endotarting/voting to get the full benefits, after Fauzjhia's initial TRR lottery in a similar style they have since then expanded it to more people, for example TRR citizens (only residency needed), TNP Cards Guild members (only citizenship needed, and for that, residency), and Gardeners (no regional commitment). Another big difference is allowing people to choose cards from the list of available cards in their puppets.

Besides, after r3n's retirement Fauzjhia has played a significant role in continuing some previous TNP card programs, like the Great Cards Giveaway, and giving life to the Card Sharks, mentioned in the text. In my opinion the incredible, consistent commitment and generosity in hosting giveaways for several different places and offering a wide range of ways in which people can get valuable cards they want is a key detail that sets Fauzjhia apart from others.

[One Small Island]

Opposed.

I have never had an interaction with Fauz which I would call positive. I do not like being TG'd constantly to sell my cards to someone, but that's just annoying and part of the game. What is not, or should not be, part of the game is after telling someone that you will not sell them your card, they hunt you down on offsite platforms to continue bothering you about selling them your card, which Fauz did to me. What should not be part of the game is someone whining about you on RMBs when you do not sell them your cards in attempts to shame you into selling them your cards, which is something Fauz has done.

Fauz's attitude, behavior, and sense of entitlement absolutely disqualify them from commendation in my view.

[Noahs Second Country]

TNL, the card gardens, me, are all probably at similar or greater magnitudes.

On the contrary, Fauzjhia's giveaways in the Card Gardens alone surpass in value the ones that I host, not even counting the others they do. As for your giveaways, to my understanding they were one-time events, whereas Fauzjhia has been doing giveaways much more continuously and for over two years, consistently farming and outputting legendaries and other high value cards that are then gifted.

Which leaves out TNL/r3n, and I'd argue that they're similar in terms of the huge effort and generosity put on farming and gifting so many cards to other people. R3n's commendation that you wrote dedicates three clauses to the giveaways (Acknowledging, Understanding and Noting).

It's also worth mentioning that, while access to TNP's legendary lotteries required the commitment of having one's World Assembly nation there and regularly endotarting/voting to get the full benefits, after Fauzjhia's initial TRR lottery in a similar style they have since then expanded it to more people, for example TRR citizens (only residency needed), TNP Cards Guild members (only citizenship needed, and for that, residency), and Gardeners (no regional commitment). Another big difference is allowing people to choose cards from the list of available cards in their puppets.

Besides, after r3n's retirement Fauzjhia has played a significant role in continuing some previous TNP card programs, like the Great Cards Giveaway, and giving life to the Card Sharks, mentioned in the text. In my opinion the incredible, consistent commitment and generosity in hosting giveaways for several different places and offering a wide range of ways in which people can get valuable cards they want is a key detail that sets Fauzjhia apart from others.

Using r3n's commendation is a disingenuous argument, you know very well that r3n did a lot more than farm and give away cards, and frankly even without the giveaway aspect r3n's contribution to providing resources for and building TNP's card community far outweighs the magnitude of their giveaway and the entirety of what Fauzjhia has accomplished.

People can choose cards that were largely pre-selected, it's not like you can choose to claim an aoci if they happen to pull it. Fauzjhia also places little value on legendary collecting, selling the vast majority of what they pull. While Fauzjhia maintains a number of regional programs, these are fairly low effort and Fauzjhia didn't really contribute to building them in the first place; much of it seems to be a way for them to get more of their puppets cards than anything else.

Support, of my personal opinion that, as a few others might have put it - it's not just that they copy-pasted some data from elsewhere and call it a day. I know this is a relatively obscure place to see, but those in Got Issues Discord will see that they have been very, very consistent with keeping up their stats, and for not just one but for many, many of their nations.

I have no opinion on the Trading Cards side; I have not been playing that for a long time now.

For those not in the GI discord, Fauzjhia primarily posts periodic updates to this spreadsheet: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719996726559113277/1135985023590334505/beetles_stats_July_2023.png?ex=65aff4ff&is=659d7fff&hm=6fe733cc95a475a6ae11f1d51f685d67fa7fc6142eb4d51cdaa7694326d1cf6e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless. This is impressive stat-tracking, but is useful to nobody; it's just a summary of rankings across their many puppets. As I've mentioned, almost every puppet has the same set of stats. This is not particularly outstanding or impressive besides the fact that Fauzjhia maintains and tracks their goals. This is not helpful to the community, nor is having a bunch of the same nation at any scale. Fauzjhia rarely engages in conversation otherwise. This remains true in the Card Gardens (lottery + collecting updates) and other servers that they have involvement in.

Opposed.

I have never had an interaction with Fauz which I would call positive. I do not like being TG'd constantly to sell my cards to someone, but that's just annoying and part of the game. What is not, or should not be, part of the game is after telling someone that you will not sell them your card, they hunt you down on offsite platforms to continue bothering you about selling them your card, which Fauz did to me. What should not be part of the game is someone whining about you on RMBs when you do not sell them your cards in attempts to shame you into selling them your cards, which is something Fauz has done.

Fauz's attitude, behavior, and sense of entitlement absolutely disqualify them from commendation in my view.

I can corroborate this claim - on a number of occasions where I am otherwise occupied for a few hours before responding to a message, I come back to telegrams across multiple puppets, pings in multiple discord channels, dms, and sometimes Fauz calling me out in public discussion channels for failing to respond.

[Tape]

Full support

I do agree with One Small Island in that they are a bit aggressive when trying to get one of their cards, but other than that they've helped me a lot in getting my cards among other things.

[The Seven levels of Heaven]

Opposed.

I have never had an interaction with Fauz which I would call positive. I do not like being TG'd constantly to sell my cards to someone, but that's just annoying and part of the game. What is not, or should not be, part of the game is after telling someone that you will not sell them your card, they hunt you down on offsite platforms to continue bothering you about selling them your card, which Fauz did to me. What should not be part of the game is someone whining about you on RMBs when you do not sell them your cards in attempts to shame you into selling them your cards, which is something Fauz has done.

Fauz's attitude, behavior, and sense of entitlement absolutely disqualify them from commendation in my view.

Yikes. While I can get sending a TG or two asking about cards (which I've gotten myself from other folks, I just ignore them), bothering you constantly on offline platforms about it and guilt tripping on RMB when you say no seems a bit far. That isn't just "aggression" that we should give a pass to, that's borderline obsession followed with borderline harassment.

Hard no from me.

[Giovanniland]

On the contrary, Fauzjhia's giveaways in the Card Gardens alone surpass in value the ones that I host, not even counting the others they do. As for your giveaways, to my understanding they were one-time events, whereas Fauzjhia has been doing giveaways much more continuously and for over two years, consistently farming and outputting legendaries and other high value cards that are then gifted.

Which leaves out TNL/r3n, and I'd argue that they're similar in terms of the huge effort and generosity put on farming and gifting so many cards to other people. R3n's commendation that you wrote dedicates three clauses to the giveaways (Acknowledging, Understanding and Noting).

It's also worth mentioning that, while access to TNP's legendary lotteries required the commitment of having one's World Assembly nation there and regularly endotarting/voting to get the full benefits, after Fauzjhia's initial TRR lottery in a similar style they have since then expanded it to more people, for example TRR citizens (only residency needed), TNP Cards Guild members (only citizenship needed, and for that, residency), and Gardeners (no regional commitment). Another big difference is allowing people to choose cards from the list of available cards in their puppets.

Besides, after r3n's retirement Fauzjhia has played a significant role in continuing some previous TNP card programs, like the Great Cards Giveaway, and giving life to the Card Sharks, mentioned in the text. In my opinion the incredible, consistent commitment and generosity in hosting giveaways for several different places and offering a wide range of ways in which people can get valuable cards they want is a key detail that sets Fauzjhia apart from others.

Using r3n's commendation is a disingenuous argument, you know very well that r3n did a lot more than farm and give away cards, and frankly even without the giveaway aspect r3n's contribution to providing resources for and building TNP's card community far outweighs the magnitude of their giveaway and the entirety of what Fauzjhia has accomplished.

My intent isn't to be disingenuous since I was comparing solely the giveaway aspects of r3n and Fauzjhia, not the other contributions. My point is that among r3n's many contributions there's his great work on giveaways, and since that was mentioned in the commendation, I don't see why not also mention giveaways in this proposal when Fauzjhia has been a pivotal person in this area.

People can choose cards that were largely pre-selected, it's not like you can choose to claim an aoci if they happen to pull it. Fauzjhia also places little value on legendary collecting, selling the vast majority of what they pull. While Fauzjhia maintains a number of regional programs, these are fairly low effort and Fauzjhia didn't really contribute to building them in the first place; much of it seems to be a way for them to get more of their puppets cards than anything else.

Although not for a giveaway, they did pull and then gift a copy of AoCI so W&S's legendary collection could be completed. But AoCI is obviously an extreme example, so I'll note that from a cursory search I can see gifts from Fauzjhia's puppets to other people in various high-value legendaries, like The Stalker, Testlandia, and my own card just to name a few. The claim that they place little value on legendary collecting doesn't seem true, given that they have completed legendary collection for every season so far and donate a significant amount of them. That they sell legendaries shouldn't come off as surprising, after all they have to secure a ton of bank for their other projects such as the many iterations of self-collections in several of their nations.

That Fauzjhia didn't contribute to building the programs they oversee isn't true, I can personally attest that the idea to host more giveaways in the Gardens aside from the ones I host was entirely theirs, they came to me with the idea and I gladly accepted (in fact it has even inspired others to also contact me and join in). Same with TRR lottery and its successor giveaway thread open to a wider audience. For those programs that previously existed and Fauzjhia only got involved in later, that doesn't the contributions any less important, if anything they have made possible for the programs to continue active.

As for your last point regarding their own cards, as far as I know that applies mainly to the Card Sharks and to a lesser extent the NS forums thread (via the Estellium card), with the others being for free. Even then, I don't see any issue with offering that method side by side with giveaways.

Support, of my personal opinion that, as a few others might have put it - it's not just that they copy-pasted some data from elsewhere and call it a day. I know this is a relatively obscure place to see, but those in Got Issues Discord will see that they have been very, very consistent with keeping up their stats, and for not just one but for many, many of their nations.

I have no opinion on the Trading Cards side; I have not been playing that for a long time now.

For those not in the GI discord, Fauzjhia primarily posts periodic updates to this spreadsheet: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719996726559113277/1135985023590334505/beetles_stats_July_2023.png?ex=65aff4ff&is=659d7fff&hm=6fe733cc95a475a6ae11f1d51f685d67fa7fc6142eb4d51cdaa7694326d1cf6e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless. This is impressive stat-tracking, but is useful to nobody; it's just a summary of rankings across their many puppets. As I've mentioned, almost every puppet has the same set of stats. This is not particularly outstanding or impressive besides the fact that Fauzjhia maintains and tracks their goals. This is not helpful to the community, nor is having a bunch of the same nation at any scale. Fauzjhia rarely engages in conversation otherwise. This remains true in the Card Gardens (lottery + collecting updates) and other servers that they have involvement in.

Because of the inherent nature of building one's national statistics and this affecting mainly oneself, previous stat resolutions have leaned much more into the argument of how impressive the effort put into reaching where one gets with the nations than the impact to other players, and I don't see it as a problem nor why it should be different this time. I disagree that it isn't outstanding or impressive, the sum of nations in the three regions cited amounts to 189 and being so consistent throughout them is an uniqueness of its own; to my knowledge the number of players that can manage high stats in more than a few nations is very few, let alone nearly two hundred.

I can't comment on their activity in the GotIssues server as I'm not there, but I've seen plenty of activity from Fauzjhia in the cards server and the Card Gardens outside what you mentioned. Seems to me only a third of their messages in the Gardens are in the giveaways channel, and in the larger cards server I can see other kinds of messages like trades and general conversation.

However, if people feel any of these points aren't clear enough in the proposal, we're open to suggestions on how to fix those.

[One Small Island]

My intent isn't to be disingenuous since I was comparing solely the giveaway aspects of r3n and Fauzjhia, not the other contributions. My point is that among r3n's many contributions there's his great work on giveaways, and since that was mentioned in the commendation, I don't see why not also mention giveaways in this proposal when Fauzjhia has been a pivotal person in this area.

Can you clarify something for me?

How many times did r3n use his giveaways to manipulate people into giving him their cards, or to guilt them into selling cards to him? Because Fauz does it, and it taints absolutely all of their giveaways.

[Fauzjhia]

Opposed.

I have never had an interaction with Fauz which I would call positive. I do not like being TG'd constantly to sell my cards to someone, but that's just annoying and part of the game. What is not, or should not be, part of the game is after telling someone that you will not sell them your card, they hunt you down on offsite platforms to continue bothering you about selling them your card, which Fauz did to me. What should not be part of the game is someone whining about you on RMBs when you do not sell them your cards in attempts to shame you into selling them your cards, which is something Fauz has done.

Fauz's attitude, behavior, and sense of entitlement absolutely disqualify them from commendation in my view.

My intent isn't to be disingenuous since I was comparing solely the giveaway aspects of r3n and Fauzjhia, not the other contributions. My point is that among r3n's many contributions there's his great work on giveaways, and since that was mentioned in the commendation, I don't see why not also mention giveaways in this proposal when Fauzjhia has been a pivotal person in this area.

Can you clarify something for me?

How many times did r3n use his giveaways to manipulate people into giving him their cards, or to guilt them into selling cards to him? Because Fauz does it, and it taints absolutely all of their giveaways.

You are going a bit overboard, here.
Yes I am very active and aggressive when it comes to hunting for my cards. (although remind you r3n did not collect his own cards, he did not need to worry about this.)
I did message some farmers twice about a card trade, but it was because the offer from the time, and the offer when I sent the 2nd message was not the same, things has change, and I though that while peoples might reject the old offer, maybe they could take the new one.
that message you show us, mark a moment, when I tried to gather a junk a few cards for transfer, and their owner never gave me any reply at all, I send a telegram, no answer. I never though about this as a way of guiltying peoples, just waking them up.

Would like to remind that my understand of the English language is not the same as your, I speak and think in french and french can't always just translated into english.

I don't force peoples into giving me cards, I make offer, some traders refused (New Sollex) and I can perfectly respect this.
Also, I have way too much cards for the numbers of persons who ask for giveaway cards. you might think it could be more pure to 300 cards in my stocks, buts it simple useless for me. If peoples don't want legendary cards, they can say no, or even ask me what they want. its simply voluntary exchange and not blackmail.

i get that critics always happen, and that there will be always peoples who will refuse to deal with you. but manipulation is a excessive critic.

[Noahs Second Country]

My intent isn't to be disingenuous since I was comparing solely the giveaway aspects of r3n and Fauzjhia, not the other contributions. My point is that among r3n's many contributions there's his great work on giveaways, and since that was mentioned in the commendation, I don't see why not also mention giveaways in this proposal when Fauzjhia has been a pivotal person in this area.

It's not a problem to mention it, but let's be real -- these giveaways are most users' primary reason for supporting this proposal. There are very few other actions accomplished by Fauz that are notable in the context of a commendation.

Although not for a giveaway, they did pull and then gift a copy of AoCI so W&S's legendary collection could be completed. But AoCI is obviously an extreme example, so I'll note that from a cursory search I can see gifts from Fauzjhia's puppets to other people in various high-value legendaries, like The Stalker, Testlandia, and my own card just to name a few. The claim that they place little value on legendary collecting doesn't seem true, given that they have completed legendary collection for every season so far and donate a significant amount of them. That they sell legendaries shouldn't come off as surprising, after all they have to secure a ton of bank for their other projects such as the many iterations of self-collections in several of their nations.

Completing one legendary collection every two years doesn't indicate that they place much stock in collecting legendary cards -- they only have a couple dozen copies of crazy girl on their primary collecting nation. Searching trades to see what is being gifted isn't really an effective way to show what's being given away; most of the gifts from their main or puppet nations are not gifts (I am a beneficiary of this system). Instead, look at their gifting dispatch -- note that all of the cards available are low value legendary cards.

That Fauzjhia didn't contribute to building the programs they oversee isn't true, I can personally attest that the idea to host more giveaways in the Gardens aside from the ones I host was entirely theirs, they came to me with the idea and I gladly accepted (in fact it has even inspired others to also contact me and join in). Same with TRR lottery and its successor giveaway thread open to a wider audience. For those programs that previously existed and Fauzjhia only got involved in later, that doesn't the contributions any less important, if anything they have made possible for the programs to continue active.

Hosting more giveaways isn't really something particularly revolutionary (or even effective at growing programs). TNP's card ministry doesn't even exist anymore, and I can tell you that Fauz made little to no transformative change to it whatsoever during their period of involvement -- Card Sharks is a program they take advantage of in order to gain more of their puppet's cards. And as One Small Island points out, they leverage the giveaways for goodwill and more of their puppet cards.

Because of the inherent nature of building one's national statistics and this affecting mainly oneself, previous stat resolutions have leaned much more into the argument of how impressive the effort put into reaching where one gets with the nations than the impact to other players, and I don't see it as a problem nor why it should be different this time. I disagree that it isn't outstanding or impressive, the sum of nations in the three regions cited amounts to 189 and being so consistent throughout them is an uniqueness of its own; to my knowledge the number of players that can manage high stats in more than a few nations is very few, let alone nearly two hundred.

I don't believe that anyone has looked at one of the beetles nations and gone "wow this is such an amazing statistical anomaly, I strive to become this nation one day" because the reality is that there are dozens of more developed nations of this type, in both volume of badges and polarity. If someone is being recognized for quantity, especially in the realm of stats, the quality has to be there too; as far as I can tell the best stats Fauz has across any nation are on their main; and nothing even cracks the top 10. The Left Wing Utopia is probably the most common highly polarized nation across NS (this is a player observation, not an Editor insight fyi, haven't actually checked) since it is so easy to build with time.

It's like if someone had 20 nations that had the same stat badges as Kindjal, but were in the top 20-30 across all of them. Nobody would bat an eye, because those nations are still years behind and all require exactly the same issue answers from the user, so it's not really a demonstration of issue-answering skill beyond that singular stat set.

I would consider it impressive if Fauz had 20 legendary nations next season, but currently that is not the case.

I can't comment on their activity in the GotIssues server as I'm not there, but I've seen plenty of activity from Fauzjhia in the cards server and the Card Gardens outside what you mentioned. Seems to me only a third of their messages in the Gardens are in the giveaways channel, and in the larger cards server I can see other kinds of messages like trades and general conversation.

In the past 20 issues of the Gardener's Gazette (which notably, you publish) Fauzjhia is mentioned solely due to giveaways -- almost never noted in the Insight section, which frequently mentions users and the discussions they participate in. The only other mentions appear to be Fauz submitting preexisting collections to a couple of contests. Most of their discussion is them bringing up their own collection goals and progress unprompted, which often results in little engagement but it does up the message count, I guess.

[Millenhaal]

Due to the argument that has occurred here, we fear that the thread may become toxic and unpleasant for all involved, so we'd like to place this draft on hold. We may revisit it in the future when the parties involved have had time to reconcile. For now, that will be all.