[DEAFEATED] Repeal "Condemn the Pacific" (by DrWinner)

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Sorry to burst your ears, fellow Bhang Bhang Duc Ambassador, we're really glad to see this repeal failing, unlike you we suppose...let me guess, you are a Pacific sympathizer aren't you?

Dear gods you love the sound of your own voice, don't you.

While the West Pacific and the Pacific have had a long history of friendship, I personally have opposed any influence from the NPO on TWP all my time there. That time, dear newbie, is considerably longer than your presence in this game.

That said I believe there have been real changes in the Pacific under Pierconium and for that reason I support the repeal.

[Arpak]

I return with more evidence on the imperialist and manipulative ploys and schemes of the NPO, and the HYPOCRISY of DrWinner in particular. As posted in the Pacific RMB by DrWinner and provided to us by our Ministry of State Security: * takes out paper and begins to read *

Hey guys, I just had a borderline lock me in a mental asylum thought.

What if we continually push for the repeal of the condemnation. Think about it, with me.

While the repeal is visible, we've been gaining people who want to know why in hell a starter region is condemned. These people, once we explain it to them, normally become citizens of our region, and endorse Pierconium, becoming stalwart citizens like ourselves.

Another thought: We'll have up to the minute information on which regions support our leaders and which regions don't. This gives us a good idea of who we can reach out to with embassies and who we can cut diplomatic ties with. From there, we'll only gain supporters internationally.

Another thought: Eventually it will succeed, as people will vote just so that we won't bother them anymore about it. And then we're no longer condemned, which means that, technically, we're just as good as the rest of the world.

Now that is an imperialist plan if we ever saw one. A perfect, nefarious mix of manipulation, intel gathering, imperialist propaganda along with mass recruitment and SPAMMING the hell out of the Security Council until it repeals the condemnation. That is outright FASCISM!! It is also a representative sample of the NPO's strategy and way of thinking. If you don't believe us look it up in the Pacific's forum for that particular post. The Ministry of State Security has even provided us with photographic evidence of the post, which we will gladly provide, in case DrWinner or the NPO attempt to deny its existence.

That is WHY, fellow honorable regional Delegates and Ambassadors, we must VOTE AGAINST the repeal of the condemnation of the Pacific. It is not just DrWinner, if you thoroughly investigate the Pacific, you will see it is full of similar, imperialistic, devious and disrespectful plots against the WA and other regions and nations. We rest our case.

Sincerely,
WA Ambassador of the Arpakian People
Hans Dortman

[Reploid Productions]

It's a pity some of your *ehem* "not so bright* members, such as Myrth spoil it all and shed light on your region's TRUE SELF when they arrogantly say they should even receive a commendation by the WA for raiding and enslaving other "quote"-poorly governed- "end quote" regions. So spoke Myrth.

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[DrWinner]

Again, I have but two things to question.

1) I'm an "imperial propagandist" you say. Interesting, considering I hold no power within the Pacific, and am a mere citizen, one of those honorable libertarian nations, actually. Or, more accurately, as someone else pointed out to me this morning, a socialist like yourself. You don't see me preaching about the 'horrors' of living here, blardy blardy, do you? That's because these horrors you imagine don't exist.

2) You say the condemnation is driving people away? I say you're wrong on that. Since we've had these repeal proposals en vote, recruitment is way up, and Pierconium is just getting stronger. But wait, let me guess, these are all corrupt members of the Pacific returning home or something, right? No way these are people attracted by the stability and prosperity brought about by the NPO, oh no!

*Ambassador Dortman stands up obviously infuriated and red with anger*

Don't you even DARE TARNISH the name of Socialism by associating it with IMPERIALIST PUPPETS SUCH AS YOUR NATION!!! No true Socialist answers to an EMPEROR, an ABSOLUTE MONARCH!! If you truly had the faintest idea about Socialism you would know that.

*calms down and clears his throat*
Of course you're a newbie in the Pacific, no better agent to disemminate NPO propaganda than the nation with a clean slate in the WA. That's why i referred to your nation as a green collar previously. The RMB??? Ha!!! Don't make me laugh, our Ministry of State Security has been watching over your region for some time now, regional forum, RMB and all. The Pacific was the first region to be added to our Ministry's dossier, as it is a region we have great interest in, since we believe that the NPO's leadership poses a great threat to our nation and the Confederacy we belong to. Your region has the rightfully earned reputation of a Grand raider region staging coups in numerous other regions, after all. Indeed, the RMB seems as innocent as it can be, and of course it does so, as if there was a way Pierconium and his puppet lackeys would post their dirt in there. All great propaganda in all, which is why even more nations keep flooding the Pacific, as they are completely oblivious of all the closed-doors dealings and schemes as well as the top secret raiding plans. It is quite obvious that all the imperialist schemes and plans would be discussed BETWEEN PIERCONIUM AND TRUSTED MEMBERS via TELEGRAMS, PMs or other, maybe even encrypted means of communication. The RMB and forum serve as the public face of the Pacific, which despite its operations of conquest against other regions and nations, insists on presenting itself as a peace loving, democratic region. It's a pity some of your *ehem* "not so bright* members, such as Myrth spoil it all and shed light on your region's TRUE SELF when they arrogantly say they should even receive a commendation by the WA for raiding and enslaving other "quote"-poorly governed- "end quote" regions. So spoke Myrth.

Fellow Dr.Winner Ambassador...we thought you were one of the NPO's lackeys and still believe you are one...but your last speech made me think of another possibility as well. Maybe you're not. Maybe your nation is just another nation misguided by Pierconium's silver tongue and long, epic speeches of sovereignty, prosperity and power. Maybe you were seduced by his promises of regional pride and domination, as well as democracy...blinded by the flashy forum and regional board, the opulence of banners and flags...these delusions of grandeur...and played right into the NPO's hands. In no time, you were turned into nothing more but a mindless protectorate, praising and hailing Pierconium, his supposed "virtues and wisdom" and praising The Pacific's New Order as one of "freedom, justice, equality and democracy"...just like all these other young nations. Maybe you truly believe and are hypnotized by all this rubbish, maybe your nation hopes that if it spreads the NPO's propaganda enough and carries out its agenda will climb up the leadership ladder, slowly and steadily. If that's the case, we sympathize with your People and pity your nation and its leadership. We suggest to your government to wake up from this maddening dream and face the ugly truth...before it's too late for your People...

Sincerely,
WA Ambassador of the Arpakian People
Hans Dortman

Oh damn it, he's got us all figured out, Pier! He knows all of the shady deals we make over on the regional forums! He knows everything! (sarc mark needed) With such people as these as our enemies we'll never survive! (Bolded sarc mark needed)

On a more serious note, you might want to get yourself checked out. Lots of twisted uncertainties running round your head that you should really get straightened.

[Zurago Demataro]

The Security Council:
Acknowledging that the Pacific Order, formerly known as the New Pacific Order (NPO), the regional government against which the charges of SC#177 were made, continues to govern The Pacific;

Recognizing, however, that under the leadership of Pierconium, the Pacific Order has issued a public apology for past wrongdoing against other regions, most recently including its involvement in the 2015 conflict in Lazarus;

Recalling that senior nations involved in the Lazarus conflict have been expelled from leadership positions in the Pacific Order, and in several cases expelled from the Pacific Order altogether, by Pierconium;

Noting that the Pacific Order has conducted its affairs with other regions in a responsible and respectful manner in the year since condemnation of The Pacific;

Citing the precedent set by SC#71: Repeal "Condemn Unknown," in which the resolution of condemnation against Unknown for much greater offenses than those committed by The Pacific was repealed, following a change in both leadership and behavior in Unknown similar to that which has occurred in The Pacific;

Respecting the ideological and political diversity that characterizes regional governments chosen by their regional populations throughout the world, and recognizing the sovereign right of these regional populations to self-determination in selecting their forms of government;

Observing that, contrary to the claims made by SC#177, the regional government of The Pacific has enjoyed the support of its regional population for more than a decade, and that many nations actively involved in The Pacific's regional affairs find the long-term stability provided by the Pacific Order conducive to national, international, and regional development, rather than finding it oppressive;

Asserting that the attempt made by SC#177 to impose foreign ideological and political proclivities on the regional population of The Pacific is imperialistic in nature, disrespecting the sovereign right of the nations of The Pacific to choose their regional form of government; and

Repudiating the imperialistic approach undertaken by SC#177, to spread interregional peace and goodwill through rigid conformity and uniformity rather than through mutual respect and tolerance, as inconsistent with the values and aims of this Security Council:

Hereby Repeals SC#177: Condemn The Pacific.

This has been posted here on the behalf of DrWinner. I noticed after it went to vote that no thread exists for this. May the revolution be victorious! If any mod feels that this is not proper, please change the author of the original post as you may.

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Important quote from the original author, Cormactopia II, on the topic of DrWinner's resolution:

Just for the record, beyond publicly giving my permission to DrWinner to use my draft earlier in this thread and approving the repeal proposal, I have nothing else to do with the newly submitted proposal.

(There is no need for this I am against.)

[The New Commonwealth of America]

Wait I'm new here, Can you actually start a war and how?

[DrWinner]

Wait I'm new here, Can you actually start a war and how?

One cannot actually start a war. With the help of a large enough group of people, however, one can go raiding, and forcibly take over other regions.

[Funkadelia]

Just because a public apology was made does not excuse the horrible things they did. That's incredibly weak, especially where the Lazarus-related parts are the entire crux of the original resolution.

I invite you, sir, to look at the previous iteration of this thread, and see the counters to your statement, as I will not go find them for you.

Apparently also an incredibly weak author, refusing to respond to such criticism. It deserved to fail.

[Wallenburg]

"Repeal "Condemn the Pacific"" was defeated 11,909 votes to 6,455.

[Myrth]

Aaah, it's like having the good old days of the ADN back again. I almost miss the hilarious hypocrisy.