Infantry Discussion Thread, Mk. 8 Mod. 0 [No Kaiju]

[Gallia-]

why cant you just give them carbines rly

[Theodosiya]

The amazingly ridiculous SMG reminded me of something I've always done in my militaries for rule-of-cool purposes: SMGs issued to armored vehicle crews y/n? Pros: shorter than an assault rifle and easier to fit in and out of a tank hatch. Cons: one extra firearm and caliber for the supply staff to keep track of. More pros: muh MP-40.

Use carbine. SMG are nearly useless nowadays.

[Purpelia]

Honestly I'd lean toward giving them a SMG/PDW rather than a carbine because it's worse. Basically you don't want your tankers thinking they can fight an infantry battle.

[Gallia-]

Honestly I'd lean toward giving them a SMG/PDW rather than a carbine because it's worse. Basically you don't want your tankers thinking they can fight an infantry battle.

give them a pistol then

so they can blow their brains out idk

tbh tankmen will just end up acquiring carbines and assault rifles anyway by virtue of spontaneous generation so might as well give them proper guns to begin with

[Sediczja]

Honestly I'd lean toward giving them a SMG/PDW rather than a carbine because it's worse. Basically you don't want your tankers thinking they can fight an infantry battle.

It's not like they're going to think "fuck yes I have a carbine let's leave the tank behind".

Just gives them the ability to better protect themselves should they be forced to bail for whatever reason.

[Crookfur]

The amazingly ridiculous SMG reminded me of something I've always done in my militaries for rule-of-cool purposes: SMGs issued to armored vehicle crews y/n? Pros: shorter than an assault rifle and easier to fit in and out of a tank hatch. Cons: one extra firearm and caliber for the supply staff to keep track of. More pros: muh MP-40.

It's not an ideal solution but there are certainly ways it can be explained like older tanks having smg racks and people forgetting to up date them when designing new tanks followed by massive bureaucratic inertia and incompetence preventing anything being changed once the mistake is discovered.

Of course using a less than optimal weapon can be over come by plentiful good training, ye olde US practice of giving guys whole crates of .45 ammo each day and a week of shooting from various positions on static and moving tanks certainly seemed to pay off in Vietnam but it's probably too expensive and deemed not highly important enough for most forces including the us army to bother with these days.

[Purpelia]

It's not like they're going to think "fuck yes I have a carbine let's leave the tank behind".

That's not it. I was thinking of something more along the lines of: "We left the tank behind. Should we run away? Nah, lets just join our supporting infantry."
And the answer is "NO you bloody idiots. Your lives matter far more. Run away."

Just gives them the ability to better protect themselves should they be forced to bail for whatever reason.

A PDW would give them decent ability to fend off anything that comes within say 100-200m. It just would not let them try and seek revenge at the ATGM team that just made them abandon their tank. Basically it's the same PDW I'd issue my officers and such for the same reason. Than again my idea of a PDW is closer to a carbine than a SMG. So there is that.

[Crookfur]

Honestly I'd lean toward giving them a SMG/PDW rather than a carbine because it's worse. Basically you don't want your tankers thinking they can fight an infantry battle.

May as well give them a carbine, tankies in the feild are masters at aquiring more gun for personal use.

[Gallia-]

It's not like they're going to think "fuck yes I have a carbine let's leave the tank behind".

That's not it. I was thinking of something more along the lines of: "We left the tank behind. Should we run away? Nah, lets just join our supporting infantry."
And the answer is "NO you bloody idiots. Your lives matter far more. Run away."

Just gives them the ability to better protect themselves should they be forced to bail for whatever reason.

A PDW would give them decent ability to fend off anything that comes within say 100-200m. It just would not let them try and seek revenge at the ATGM team that just made them abandon their tank. Basically it's the same PDW I'd issue my officers and such for the same reason. Than again my idea of a PDW is closer to a carbine than a SMG. So there is that.

a pdw is a glorified smg which is a glorified pistol all three are useless

if it isnt 5.56mm it's dumb

[Theodosiya]

Any opinion about Theodosiya's helmet? OTOH, is it viable to give tankers AR,MANPADS, or LMG?

[Purpelia]

a pdw is a glorified smg which is a glorified pistol all three are useless

The only purpose for a tankers firearm is to make the tankers feel good when bailing out. If ever there comes a situation when they do have to use it they're fucked either way.

[Husseinarti]

That's not it. I was thinking of something more along the lines of: "We left the tank behind. Should we run away? Nah, lets just join our supporting infantry."
And the answer is "NO you bloody idiots. Your lives matter far more. Run away."


A PDW would give them decent ability to fend off anything that comes within say 100-200m. It just would not let them try and seek revenge at the ATGM team that just made them abandon their tank. Basically it's the same PDW I'd issue my officers and such for the same reason. Than again my idea of a PDW is closer to a carbine than a SMG. So there is that.

a pdw is a glorified smg which is a glorified pistol all three are useless

if it isnt 5.56mm it's dumb

5.45 get out

[Crookfur]

Any opinion about Theodosiya's helmet? OTOH, is it viable to give tankers AR,MANPADS, or LMG?

Nobody can really say much about your helmet although some of it sounds a bit contradictory I. E. Shape is going to determine coverage. Maybe if you drew it or did some sort of detailed write up there would be more to say. Of course at the end of the day if it's a modern helmet the general response is going to be a shrug and an assumption that it's as good as any other current gear.

For tankies rifles can be tricky unless you just stick them somewhere externally and the same goes for LMGs with the added complication that they probably already have a dismount able GPMG on one of the hatches. Obviously the move to smaller crews and rws reduces the likely hood of a GPMG being easily available and you still to answer why a vehicle crew would need an LMG. SAMs are right out .

[EsToVnIa]

Honestly I'd lean toward giving them a SMG/PDW rather than a carbine because it's worse. Basically you don't want your tankers thinking they can fight an infantry battle.

give them a pistol then

so they can blow their brains out idk

tbh tankmen will just end up acquiring carbines and assault rifles anyway by virtue of spontaneous generation so might as well give them proper guns to begin with

SMGs are more gentlemanly

give them all MAT-49s, Kpist m/45s, or M3

[Gallia-]

give them a pistol then

so they can blow their brains out idk

tbh tankmen will just end up acquiring carbines and assault rifles anyway by virtue of spontaneous generation so might as well give them proper guns to begin with

SMGs are more gentlemanly

give them all MAT-49s, Kpist m/45s, or M3

only if it's 1955

[Ardavia]

give them a pistol then

so they can blow their brains out idk

tbh tankmen will just end up acquiring carbines and assault rifles anyway by virtue of spontaneous generation so might as well give them proper guns to begin with

SMGs are more gentlemanly

give them all MAT-49s, Kpist m/45s, or M3

KP/31 for life

[Transvaal Vrystaat]

give them a pistol then

so they can blow their brains out idk

tbh tankmen will just end up acquiring carbines and assault rifles anyway by virtue of spontaneous generation so might as well give them proper guns to begin with

SMGs are more gentlemanly

give them all MAT-49s, Kpist m/45s, or M3

M3 is the only tanker gun you need.

[Gallia-]

*xm177

[Transvaal Vrystaat]

Don't make me choose.

: ^ (

[Eisarn-Ara]

*xm177

That XM177 muzzle device.........mmmmmmm

[Palmyrion]

Is there anything illegal with this:

Anyways, has anyone thought of using these as parent cases:
1) 7.62 NATO
2) 6.5 x 55

Cuz I did. Neck 'em down/up (depends on what caliber I want on it, in this case mine would be 0.277") and shorten the case...

[EsToVnIa]

SMGs are more gentlemanly

give them all MAT-49s, Kpist m/45s, or M3

only if it's 1955

no u

next you'll be saying that you shouldn't be using centurions anymore

[Gallia-]

ft17 is probably better

[Transvaal Vrystaat]

only if it's 1955

no u

next you'll be saying that you shouldn't be using centurions anymore

Why aren't you using Super Shermans?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Honestly I'd lean toward giving them a SMG/PDW rather than a carbine because it's worse. Basically you don't want your tankers thinking they can fight an infantry battle.