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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:03 am

New Vihenia wrote:So.. i wonder if there's any gain in miniaturizing High yield (say 5 Megatons) nuclear warhead.

Given the improving accuracy of nuclear delivery vehicles (MIRV, RV, Bombers, etc) seemed to allow smaller yield weapon to "do the job" of the larger yield one.


What would you need to hit with 5 megatons? The only reason weapons in that range were developed was because the accuracy of the times was so low. If you need to destroy X target, and your CEP is size Y then you need yield Z to make sure X is inside the blast radius. As CEP's have decreased the needed yield Z has decreased, which means you can use less money and resources on larger warheads and instead make more warheads to hit more targets, or maintain the same capabilities at a lower cost.

The only reason to use such large warheads now is because you simply want to blow up a larger area with less weapons, which serves no real strategic purpose, and is inefficient. Remember the blast front propagates in three directions, but most targets are only spread out over two, and you could potentially hit more area using more missiles with smaller warheads.

You don't really have to worry about the economics of using more warheads since MIRV's allow you to lift ten warheads for every one missile body.
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Postby Achesia » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:59 pm

I need an opinion of the bellow. Not as much a tactics opinion, I know my situation and why I want to use it, I want more of a functionality/feasibility opinion:

Ussusteth Class Super Carrier (SCVN)
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Achesian Super Carrier



IMAGE OPTION 1:
Image

IMAGE OPTION 2:
Image

IMAGE OPTION 3:
Image

Premise:
The idea of this carrier is to be functional in these missions:
  • Power project through air power
  • Tender for smaller ships
  • Able to carry large amounts of troops and supply
  • reduce maintenance costs of having multiple carriers
  • Type: Super Aircraft Carrier
  • Displacement:212,000 Tons
  • Length: 528 Meters
  • Beam: 80 meters
  • Propulsion: 5x Monarch V4 Type Nuclear Reactors
  • Speed: 30+ Knots
  • Range: 30+ Years
  • Compliment:
    -Ships Company: 3,700
    -Airwing: 1,350
    -Troops: 3,000
  • Sensors: 3D Air Search Radar, 2D Air Search Radar, Target acquisition radar, Air traffic control radars, Landing aid radars, 3D Sonar
  • Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures: Countermeasures suite, Torpedo countermeasures
  • Armament:
    -12x Starfiend AA Missile Launchers
    -15x Kingsguard CIWS
    -80 Monarch No.5 Type 8 VLS Cells
  • Aircraft Carried: 150 (+ or -) of Fixed Wing, Helicopters, or VTOLs
  • Cargo: 660,000 sq ft
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:17 pm

Achesia wrote:I need an opinion of the bellow. Not as much a tactics opinion, I know my situation and why I want to use it, I want more of a functionality/feasibility opinion:

Ussusteth Class Super Carrier (SCVN)
Achesian Super Carrier


Premise:
The idea of this carrier is to be functional in these missions:
  • Power project through air power
  • Tender for smaller ships
  • Able to carry large amounts of troops and supply
  • reduce maintenance costs of having multiple carriers
  • Type: Super Aircraft Carrier
  • Displacement:212,000 Tons
  • Length: 528 Meters
  • Beam: 80 meters
  • Propulsion: 5x Monarch V4 Type Nuclear Reactors
  • Speed: 30+ Knots
  • Range: 30+ Years
  • Compliment:
    -Ships Company: 3,700
    -Airwing: 1,350
    -Troops: 3,000
  • Sensors: 3D Air Search Radar, 2D Air Search Radar, Target acquisition radar, Air traffic control radars, Landing aid radars, 3D Sonar
  • Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures: Countermeasures suite, Torpedo countermeasures
  • Armament:
    -12x Starfiend AA Missile Launchers
    -15x Kingsguard CIWS
    -80 Monarch No.5 Type 8 VLS Cells
  • Aircraft Carried: 150 (+ or -) of Fixed Wing, Helicopters, or VTOLs
  • Cargo: 660,000 sq ft



The last one. The other two don't work. The last one still has issues but it's not as bad as the other two, especially the middle one. Sweet Jesus those intersecting aircraft paths.

It shouldn't be used as a tender for smaller ships though. That adds an additional burden aside from its air mission, and you should have other replenishment ships for that. Five is an odd number of reactors as well.
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Postby Achesia » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:23 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Achesia wrote:I need an opinion of the bellow. Not as much a tactics opinion, I know my situation and why I want to use it, I want more of a functionality/feasibility opinion:

Ussusteth Class Super Carrier (SCVN)
Achesian Super Carrier


Premise:
The idea of this carrier is to be functional in these missions:
  • Power project through air power
  • Tender for smaller ships
  • Able to carry large amounts of troops and supply
  • reduce maintenance costs of having multiple carriers
  • Type: Super Aircraft Carrier
  • Displacement:212,000 Tons
  • Length: 528 Meters
  • Beam: 80 meters
  • Propulsion: 5x Monarch V4 Type Nuclear Reactors
  • Speed: 30+ Knots
  • Range: 30+ Years
  • Compliment:
    -Ships Company: 3,700
    -Airwing: 1,350
    -Troops: 3,000
  • Sensors: 3D Air Search Radar, 2D Air Search Radar, Target acquisition radar, Air traffic control radars, Landing aid radars, 3D Sonar
  • Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures: Countermeasures suite, Torpedo countermeasures
  • Armament:
    -12x Starfiend AA Missile Launchers
    -15x Kingsguard CIWS
    -80 Monarch No.5 Type 8 VLS Cells
  • Aircraft Carried: 150 (+ or -) of Fixed Wing, Helicopters, or VTOLs
  • Cargo: 660,000 sq ft



The last one. The other two don't work. The last one still has issues but it's not as bad as the other two, especially the middle one. Sweet Jesus those intersecting aircraft paths.

It shouldn't be used as a tender for smaller ships though. That adds an additional burden aside from its air mission, and you should have other replenishment ships for that. Five is an odd number of reactors as well.


So first two pictures no good because of design? And those are the only other issues, wow Im happy there wasn't more xD

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Postby The Akasha Colony » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:34 pm

Achesia wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:

The last one. The other two don't work. The last one still has issues but it's not as bad as the other two, especially the middle one. Sweet Jesus those intersecting aircraft paths.

It shouldn't be used as a tender for smaller ships though. That adds an additional burden aside from its air mission, and you should have other replenishment ships for that. Five is an odd number of reactors as well.


So first two pictures no good because of design? And those are the only other issues, wow Im happy there wasn't more xD


There are other things that I could say but they are not necessarily significant problems. For instance, that's almost certainly too many CIWS and anti-aircraft missile launchers. Especially if you already have a VLS, which can fill both roles. But that's not really a critical problem in that it doesn't impede the function of the ship, it's just a waste of money.

The same could be said of the sonar; having one won't impede the function of the ship in the same way that intersecting aircraft paths on the flight deck do, but it won't see much if any use due to the way carriers operate. This is why the USN, after experimenting with carrier sonar, abandoned the idea. If a carrier wants to go sub hunting it will use its helicopters, as a carrier will always be moving at a pretty high speed in any combat theater (either to support flight operations or just to remain a mobile, harder to find target). Speed is a carrier's best defense against submarines, but this also means the sonar will be more or less worthless as flow and engine noise will deafen it.

In a new-build carrier designed within the last ten years or so, there would be no need for a 2D air search radar. In fact, all of the air and surface search as well as engagement radars would likely be consolidated into a single multi-function radar like AN/SPY-3, EMPAR, APAR, or SAMPSON. It's cheaper, easier to mount, and modern AESAs are more capable than the older PESAs and mechanically-scanned arrays that necessitated multiple radar types. Air traffic control radar might still be separate depending on the band used. But there's nothing impossible about using separate combat radar sets, it's just that modern ships have generally trended away from it as better alternatives have come along.

For the rest though there's just not much to say, really. 1,350 for the air wing might be small, but that depends on how many aircraft are embarked at once. 3,000 troops is a lot and I'm not entirely sure why you need that many, but w/e.
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Postby Velkanika » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:39 pm

Achesia wrote:I need an opinion of the bellow. Not as much a tactics opinion, I know my situation and why I want to use it, I want more of a functionality/feasibility opinion:

Ussusteth Class Super Carrier (SCVN)
Achesian Super Carrier



IMAGE OPTION 1:
(Image)

IMAGE OPTION 2:
(Image)

IMAGE OPTION 3:
(Image)

Premise:
The idea of this carrier is to be functional in these missions:
  • Power project through air power
  • Tender for smaller ships
  • Able to carry large amounts of troops and supply
  • reduce maintenance costs of having multiple carriers
  • Type: Super Aircraft Carrier
  • Displacement:212,000 Tons
  • Length: 528 Meters
  • Beam: 80 meters
  • Propulsion: 5x Monarch V4 Type Nuclear Reactors
  • Speed: 30+ Knots
  • Range: 30+ Years
  • Compliment:
    -Ships Company: 3,700
    -Airwing: 1,350
    -Troops: 3,000
  • Sensors: 3D Air Search Radar, 2D Air Search Radar, Target acquisition radar, Air traffic control radars, Landing aid radars, 3D Sonar
  • Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures: Countermeasures suite, Torpedo countermeasures
  • Armament:
    -12x Starfiend AA Missile Launchers
    -15x Kingsguard CIWS
    -80 Monarch No.5 Type 8 VLS Cells
  • Aircraft Carried: 150 (+ or -) of Fixed Wing, Helicopters, or VTOLs
  • Cargo: 660,000 sq ft

It's not feasible. Image option 3 is the only configuration approaching usability, however it has a lot of wasted deck space between the jet blast deflectors and the angled landing deck. The catapults next to the conning tower are also difficult to use while landing operations or basic movement of parked aircraft is underway.

The writeup itself has a few issues, the most glaring of which is the large number of reactors. An aircraft carrier only needs two reactors to supply all the power it'll ever need. At most, you can go up to three if you want a spare for if one has to go offline and you can't supply all your power needs on just one reactor.

You also want to split off the troop carrier role from this ship and build dedicated transports. Carriers have better things to do than bus men and equipment around most of the time.

Providing armament to the carrier beyond basic defense is a waste of time and tonnage if you plan on escorting the carrier while it's deployed. You probably will want to reduce the air wing size to the point where you can get a deckload into the sky in a reasonable amount of time as well.
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Postby Achesia » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:52 pm

Good feedback all, I will deff make adjustments. Thanks allot!!! :bow:

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Postby Nachmere » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:16 pm

Axis Nova wrote:ETC guns are only "mainstream" here because a particularly persistent strain of tech wankers continue to insist that they are MT.


This effects RPs exactly 0%.

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Postby Roski » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:28 pm

"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible
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Postby Nachmere » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:32 pm

Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible



dear god man. you need to RP with someone who is not this guy.

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Postby The Akasha Colony » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:37 pm

Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible


There's nothing about it that's "impossible," it's just a horribly wanky description that provides very little useful information.
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Postby The Kievan People » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:37 pm

Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible


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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:39 pm

Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible

I've seen that guy before, the entire region RPs like him. The godmod is so insane I have been forced to conclude that it's a classroom region.

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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:40 pm

Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible

A) Essentially techwanking because "Wahh my supercarriers too super wahhhh".

B) A carrier the size of two Nimitz-class supercarriers combined is essentially just a big, slow-moving blob of steel that is practically a sitting target for enemy warships and aircraft to bomb. And there's no way ship armour can stop "straight" ballistic missiles, well short of the ship sacrificing propulsion and manoeuvrability. And saying AA guns provide the ship with needed support with no specifications says nothing but the obvious, it's like saying the Leopard 2's tank gun provides it with the basis of the Leopard's function and existence. Might as well paint a big red bull's eye on the err...Cypress.
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Postby Nachmere » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:41 pm

my ship is big. my ship is bigger than any other ship. it is also a submarine aircraft carrier. it also carries 18,000 more people then it possibly needs. my ship is big did i mention? my ship is armored against direct ballistic missile strikes, although no one would try to hit a ship with a ballistic missile, and it is possibly not even possible to do, but it is, i swear. my ship is fight.
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Postby Nachmere » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:43 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible


Quick use a gay ballistic missile!


I would totally have used that in the RP if I was in it.

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Postby Gallia- » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:44 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible


Quick use a gay ballistic missile!


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Postby Pharthan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:29 pm

Achesia wrote:I need an opinion of the bellow. Not as much a tactics opinion, I know my situation and why I want to use it, I want more of a functionality/feasibility opinion:

Ussusteth Class Super Carrier (SCVN)
Achesian Super Carrier



IMAGE OPTION 1:
(Image)

IMAGE OPTION 2:
(Image)

IMAGE OPTION 3:
(Image)

The idea of this carrier is to be functional in these missions:
  • Power project through air power
  • Tender for smaller ships
  • Able to carry large amounts of troops and supply
  • reduce maintenance costs of having multiple carriers
  • Type: Super Aircraft Carrier
  • Displacement:212,000 Tons
  • Length: 528 Meters
  • Beam: 80 meters
  • Propulsion: 5x Monarch V4 Type Nuclear Reactors
  • Speed: 30+ Knots
  • Range: 30+ Years
  • Compliment:
    -Ships Company: 3,700
    -Airwing: 1,350
    -Troops: 3,000
  • Sensors: 3D Air Search Radar, 2D Air Search Radar, Target acquisition radar, Air traffic control radars, Landing aid radars, 3D Sonar
  • Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures: Countermeasures suite, Torpedo countermeasures
  • Armament:
    -12x Starfiend AA Missile Launchers
    -15x Kingsguard CIWS
    -80 Monarch No.5 Type 8 VLS Cells
  • Aircraft Carried: 150 (+ or -) of Fixed Wing, Helicopters, or VTOLs
  • Cargo: 660,000 sq ft

Image 1 could theoretically work if the connected the two flight decks, adding an additional deck between beneath the flight deck, if not two. This would also allow you to add an additional bow-cat or two. I have no idea why the artist designed it with separated flight decks. That's stupid.
You'd also want to redesign the island. It's wider than it is long, so rotating most of it 90 degrees would be ideal, if anything.

Image 2 is by far one of the worst ship drawings, let alone carrier drawings, I think I've ever seen. An athwartships landing zone, physically right behind the island? WTF? As previously mentioned by others, crossing flight paths as well. Stupid. And they made it a half-gun-cruiser. Why the hell is a carrier closing to gun-range?

Image 3 is plausible.

Reactors: If you use image one, go for an even number. Two or four. No more. If you use image 2, go for two reactors. That's it. Two. Maybe three if you know what you're doing.

As otherwise mentioned: Single duty. It's a carrier, not a tender. It's a carrier, not a troop/cargo transport.
One carrier might reduce some maintenance costs, but a twice-as-large carrier is going to cost more in the long run for absolutely everything else. And unless you can field at least 6-8 of these suckers, smaller Nimitz are a way better option for projection of power. Power projection requires constant presence of a carrier, and at least half, if not more, of your carriers are going to be in port at any given time. After the first ten years of service, your first ones are going to start needing refits, one by one.

A ship's company of 3,700 and aircrew of 1350 will not be able to maintain 150+ aircraft. Scale up from a Nimitz, or Ford, not a Queen Elizabeth. The QE and like carriers are wave-launch carriers, while the American ones are designed for constant flight ops 24/7. That means more crew, because part of your crew has to sleep at some point.
Now, at 150 you're also looking at having more aircraft than you can field at once. The theoretical limit, I once heard (On NSMRC) is about 120 aircraft per carrier; this is more or less due to air-traffic-control issues. Now, having extra is not bad. It allows for mission versatility and maintenance to be ongoing, so with such a large carrier you're looking at easier 24/7 flight ops.

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Postby The Corparation » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:33 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible


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But does he field Gay Ballistic Missiles? I thought they were banned under START (STraight Armament Requirement Treaty)
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Postby New Korongo » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:59 pm

Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:07 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible


Quick use a gay ballistic missile!


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Postby North Arkana » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:37 am

Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible

Did he only say anti-aircraft guns? High altitude carpet bomb the stupid thing if you're willing to expend the ordnance. Or drop many guided bombs from high altitude, or glide bombs or missiles from stand off range. Even if he bullshits the armor stopping it from sinking, you'll at least mission kill the wank carrier. And if he even denies that, well clearly word needs to be spread that his quality of RP is lacking.
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Postby Achesia » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:24 am

Pharthan wrote:
Achesia wrote:I need an opinion of the bellow. Not as much a tactics opinion, I know my situation and why I want to use it, I want more of a functionality/feasibility opinion:

Ussusteth Class Super Carrier (SCVN)
Achesian Super Carrier



IMAGE OPTION 1:
(Image)

IMAGE OPTION 2:
(Image)

IMAGE OPTION 3:
(Image)

The idea of this carrier is to be functional in these missions:
  • Power project through air power
  • Tender for smaller ships
  • Able to carry large amounts of troops and supply
  • reduce maintenance costs of having multiple carriers
  • Type: Super Aircraft Carrier
  • Displacement:212,000 Tons
  • Length: 528 Meters
  • Beam: 80 meters
  • Propulsion: 5x Monarch V4 Type Nuclear Reactors
  • Speed: 30+ Knots
  • Range: 30+ Years
  • Compliment:
    -Ships Company: 3,700
    -Airwing: 1,350
    -Troops: 3,000
  • Sensors: 3D Air Search Radar, 2D Air Search Radar, Target acquisition radar, Air traffic control radars, Landing aid radars, 3D Sonar
  • Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures: Countermeasures suite, Torpedo countermeasures
  • Armament:
    -12x Starfiend AA Missile Launchers
    -15x Kingsguard CIWS
    -80 Monarch No.5 Type 8 VLS Cells
  • Aircraft Carried: 150 (+ or -) of Fixed Wing, Helicopters, or VTOLs
  • Cargo: 660,000 sq ft

Image 1 could theoretically work if the connected the two flight decks, adding an additional deck between beneath the flight deck, if not two. This would also allow you to add an additional bow-cat or two. I have no idea why the artist designed it with separated flight decks. That's stupid.
You'd also want to redesign the island. It's wider than it is long, so rotating most of it 90 degrees would be ideal, if anything.

Image 2 is by far one of the worst ship drawings, let alone carrier drawings, I think I've ever seen. An athwartships landing zone, physically right behind the island? WTF? As previously mentioned by others, crossing flight paths as well. Stupid. And they made it a half-gun-cruiser. Why the hell is a carrier closing to gun-range?

Image 3 is plausible.

Reactors: If you use image one, go for an even number. Two or four. No more. If you use image 2, go for two reactors. That's it. Two. Maybe three if you know what you're doing.

As otherwise mentioned: Single duty. It's a carrier, not a tender. It's a carrier, not a troop/cargo transport.
One carrier might reduce some maintenance costs, but a twice-as-large carrier is going to cost more in the long run for absolutely everything else. And unless you can field at least 6-8 of these suckers, smaller Nimitz are a way better option for projection of power. Power projection requires constant presence of a carrier, and at least half, if not more, of your carriers are going to be in port at any given time. After the first ten years of service, your first ones are going to start needing refits, one by one.

A ship's company of 3,700 and aircrew of 1350 will not be able to maintain 150+ aircraft. Scale up from a Nimitz, or Ford, not a Queen Elizabeth. The QE and like carriers are wave-launch carriers, while the American ones are designed for constant flight ops 24/7. That means more crew, because part of your crew has to sleep at some point.
Now, at 150 you're also looking at having more aircraft than you can field at once. The theoretical limit, I once heard (On NSMRC) is about 120 aircraft per carrier; this is more or less due to air-traffic-control issues. Now, having extra is not bad. It allows for mission versatility and maintenance to be ongoing, so with such a large carrier you're looking at easier 24/7 flight ops.

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Postby Allanea » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:39 am

North Arkana wrote:
Roski wrote:"The CYP Cypress the envy of all naval units is sent out to attack any Cypress45 vessels in the area of its location. It's location is where four Cypress45 vessels continue to circle the Pioneer45 island of Puerto Coco. The CYP Cypress is a monstrous beast. It can carry 110 aircraft and at most 23,000 men. It is also the size of the USS Regan and USS Nimitz combined. It has reinforced armor ready to withstand straight ballistic missiles. It's lower units make it like a submarine in conflict as well. It's anti-air guns provide it with the needed support from any aireal threat."

A: I need help understanding what was just said
B: I need the shortened version of why its impossible

Did he only say anti-aircraft guns? High altitude carpet bomb the stupid thing if you're willing to expend the ordnance. Or drop many guided bombs from high altitude, or glide bombs or missiles from stand off range. Even if he bullshits the armor stopping it from sinking, you'll at least mission kill the wank carrier. And if he even denies that, well clearly word needs to be spread that his quality of RP is lacking.


Modern anti-aircraft guns can track and kill bombs and certainly missiles.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:50 am

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Achesia wrote:I need an opinion of the bellow. Not as much a tactics opinion, I know my situation and why I want to use it, I want more of a functionality/feasibility opinion:

Ussusteth Class Super Carrier (SCVN)
Achesian Super Carrier


Premise:
The idea of this carrier is to be functional in these missions:
  • Power project through air power
  • Tender for smaller ships
  • Able to carry large amounts of troops and supply
  • reduce maintenance costs of having multiple carriers
  • Type: Super Aircraft Carrier
  • Displacement:212,000 Tons
  • Length: 528 Meters
  • Beam: 80 meters
  • Propulsion: 5x Monarch V4 Type Nuclear Reactors
  • Speed: 30+ Knots
  • Range: 30+ Years
  • Compliment:
    -Ships Company: 3,700
    -Airwing: 1,350
    -Troops: 3,000
  • Sensors: 3D Air Search Radar, 2D Air Search Radar, Target acquisition radar, Air traffic control radars, Landing aid radars, 3D Sonar
  • Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures: Countermeasures suite, Torpedo countermeasures
  • Armament:
    -12x Starfiend AA Missile Launchers
    -15x Kingsguard CIWS
    -80 Monarch No.5 Type 8 VLS Cells
  • Aircraft Carried: 150 (+ or -) of Fixed Wing, Helicopters, or VTOLs
  • Cargo: 660,000 sq ft



The last one. The other two don't work. The last one still has issues but it's not as bad as the other two, especially the middle one. Sweet Jesus those intersecting aircraft paths.

It shouldn't be used as a tender for smaller ships though. That adds an additional burden aside from its air mission, and you should have other replenishment ships for that. Five is an odd number of reactors as well.

Intersecting paths? The design in the first one, the intersecting zones seem to be landing paths which obviously poses an issue, but they're some distance apart so wouldn't adequate air control rememedy supposed issues? I assume the most glaring issue with this one is :catamaranaircraftcarrier:
The second has been considered in concept to my understanding, or at least BAE was happy to show it off alongside its ambitious UCAV project a few years ago. But the third design looks entirely conventional to me, size notwithstanding. So what's actually wrong with it?
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