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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:33 am

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That's....really quite small.
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Postby Puzikas » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:04 am

The Kievan People wrote:Spike SR is 127mm or 130mm or smth.

Mini spike I think is about 100mm? IDR


Minispike isn't even as long as a standard Infantry rifle

Best or bestest missile??
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Postby Laritaia » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:06 am

iirc the standard system is one launcher and 6 missiles which fits into two relatively small backpacks.

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Postby Gallia- » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:12 am

Yes.

The gunner carries two rockets in a 12 kg pack (4 kg CLU + 8 kg of rockets). His assistant carries four.

Anyway, since I am drawing the "Spergman" he is going to be even more :Battletech: than Pitman. A rack of Mini Spike missiles or a pair of Spike SR which sit on his shoulders. They can be detached and reloaded by infantrymen who are unfortunate enough to have to wear Interceptor or PASGT instead, and would presumably use an optronics blister as the CLU which is directly integrated into the armour.

Elemental aliv in Spergtsunia.

Or Gasaraki.

Take your pick, really.
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Postby Stasnov » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:38 am

Hullo mates

Does anyone have the TOE/ORBAT of different types of Soviet units during WWII? Preferably both before and after the reforms after Barbarossa
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Postby Prosorusiya » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:40 am

Does anybody know the combat radius of the Su-24 Fencer-C? Also, what tactics should my Fencers use in comparison to my Su-22 Fitters?

Would operating th Tu-22 Blinder be worth it for the extension in range, since it is becoming likely I will need air support in Kurdistan?
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Postby Allanea » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:31 am

An aircraft that needs to fly to the tip of its combat radius is not a very effective form of air support.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:40 am

Allanea wrote:An aircraft that needs to fly to the tip of its combat radius is not a very effective form of air support.

Then by this logic, you would have agreed with an assessment I have made awhile ago that is long irrelevant now that a numerically smaller force aircraft that must fly well beyond their combat radius and rely on aerial refueling and/or external drop tanks is inherently less effective than the numerically superior force of aircraft of equal technology/ability which are operating within or near edge of their combat radius?


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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:44 pm

Gallia- wrote:Yes.

The gunner carries two rockets in a 12 kg pack (4 kg CLU + 8 kg of rockets). His assistant carries four.

Anyway, since I am drawing the "Spergman" he is going to be even more :Battletech: than Pitman. A rack of Mini Spike missiles or a pair of Spike SR which sit on his shoulders. They can be detached and reloaded by infantrymen who are unfortunate enough to have to wear Interceptor or PASGT instead, and would presumably use an optronics blister as the CLU which is directly integrated into the armour.

Elemental aliv in Spergtsunia.

Or Gasaraki.

Take your pick, really.

all good mecha has a mortar

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Postby The Corparation » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:53 pm

Gallia- wrote:Yes.

The gunner carries two rockets in a 12 kg pack (4 kg CLU + 8 kg of rockets). His assistant carries four.

Anyway, since I am drawing the "Spergman" he is going to be even more :Battletech: than Pitman. A rack of Mini Spike missiles or a pair of Spike SR which sit on his shoulders. They can be detached and reloaded by infantrymen who are unfortunate enough to have to wear Interceptor or PASGT instead, and would presumably use an optronics blister as the CLU which is directly integrated into the armour.

Elemental aliv in Spergtsunia.

Or Gasaraki.

Take your pick, really.

You need to make sure you leave room on one shoulder for a not-Davey Crockett or comparable weapon.
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Postby Gallia- » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:32 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Gallia- wrote:Yes.

The gunner carries two rockets in a 12 kg pack (4 kg CLU + 8 kg of rockets). His assistant carries four.

Anyway, since I am drawing the "Spergman" he is going to be even more :Battletech: than Pitman. A rack of Mini Spike missiles or a pair of Spike SR which sit on his shoulders. They can be detached and reloaded by infantrymen who are unfortunate enough to have to wear Interceptor or PASGT instead, and would presumably use an optronics blister as the CLU which is directly integrated into the armour.

Elemental aliv in Spergtsunia.

Or Gasaraki.

Take your pick, really.

all good mecha has a mortar


Good thing it's not a mecha.

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Gallia- wrote:Yes.

The gunner carries two rockets in a 12 kg pack (4 kg CLU + 8 kg of rockets). His assistant carries four.

Anyway, since I am drawing the "Spergman" he is going to be even more :Battletech: than Pitman. A rack of Mini Spike missiles or a pair of Spike SR which sit on his shoulders. They can be detached and reloaded by infantrymen who are unfortunate enough to have to wear Interceptor or PASGT instead, and would presumably use an optronics blister as the CLU which is directly integrated into the armour.

Elemental aliv in Spergtsunia.

Or Gasaraki.

Take your pick, really.

You need to make sure you leave room on one shoulder for a not-Davey Crockett or comparable weapon.


Such a pointless idea I don't even know why you bothered replying.
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Postby Prosorusiya » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:26 pm

Allanea wrote:An aircraft that needs to fly to the tip of its combat radius is not a very effective form of air support.


So decidedly the Tu-22 Blinders, then. I know certain models of the Fencer have pretty good range, but the numbers on what the combat radius is are all over the place, ranging anywhere fro 1,000+km to only 600 km, and I am certain either way involves using drop tanks. The only unfortunate thing is the cost, the Tu-22 is said to have cost as much to operate as an entire squadron of Su-22s in Iraqi service.

The question actually becomes something along the lines of "is numerically superior aircraft operating at the outside of their combat radius more effective than numerically inferior aircraft operating comfortably within their own radius?". Although the Su-24 is also technologically inferior, but Tu-22Ms are not the sort of thing Vlad wants in the hands of Chechen scum like myself. So instead of the Backfires, I am stuck with Blinders. Although that's probably a good thing as apparently Su-22 pilots transitioned well to the aircraft, and my Su-22s as well as Tu-134s and An-12s are based out of Mozdok AFB at the moment.
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Postby Southern Sovereignties » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:28 am

Okay, so design work of my infantry, armor, cavalry, artillery, and aviation corps is winding down, and my focus is looking towards developing the Navy. Does anyone have any real thoughts on navies? Not looking for something as large or involved as the US Navy, but something fairly balanced in sea control and land control would be best.

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Postby Allanea » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:33 am

By support, we mean close air support yes?

If not, if it's okay for the aircraft to just drop their bombs and leave, then any aircraft will do as long as they can get there.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:02 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIUOmHYyqR4

Why even mortar tubes need some cooling.
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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:58 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIUOmHYyqR4

Why even mortar tubes need some cooling.

What do most people use to cool mortar tubes? Water bottles? Spray fans? The ol' piss on the tube?

Also, why did the propellant rings(I'm assuming it was the rings) burn and not explode? I thought most ordnance would explode when exposed to high heat.
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Postby Husseinarti » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:26 pm

Its a rare-ish thing that happens during training due to what Galla said. Shitty ammo that is old.

I heard of some stuff like that happening during other cycles, but since MACS charges are new-ish, there isn't old ammo like what a 120mm mortar would have.
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Postby Gallia- » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:28 pm

Burning ammunition means it is new, well-kept, and functioning as designed.

When it explodes and kills the gun crew, there is sufficient probable cause that it can be assumed to be deliberate sabotage by enemy agents.

Or Ukrainian.
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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:59 pm

So what caused the bombs to go off on the Forrestal fire? WWII ammo long past its use-by date?
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Postby Gallia- » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:04 pm

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:So what caused the bombs to go off on the Forrestal fire? WWII ammo long past its use-by date?


Yes, and it was also WW2 ammo.

Modern insensitive munitions didn't appear until the 1970s or something.

Composition B is probably still used in US ammo stockpiles in howitzer shells or something, too.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:53 pm

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:So what caused the bombs to go off on the Forrestal fire? WWII ammo long past its use-by date?

Thin-walled bombs + explosives that actually got more powerful the older the were + seriously rusty and degraded bombs that were stored practically in the open. They were delivered by USS Diamond Head in their original, mouldy and rotten packing crates, all because Forrestal had run out of the better, less sensitive and more modern Mk-83's, threatening the entire next day's missions.
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