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Who will OP the next MGVoYN[NM] thread?

Imperializt Russia
39
25%
Anemos Major
52
33%
Questers
8
5%
Dragomere
21
13%
Dostanuot Loj
5
3%
The Kievan People
22
14%
Oaledonia
12
8%
 
Total votes : 159

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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun May 04, 2014 8:24 pm

Korouse wrote:Not exactly. Their opponents rely on irregular tactics and "terrorism", correct?

Over their history, conventional full-scale wars are what Israel has generally faced over terrorism.
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Korouse
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Postby Korouse » Sun May 04, 2014 8:26 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Korouse wrote:Not exactly. Their opponents rely on irregular tactics and "terrorism", correct?

Over their history, conventional full-scale wars are what Israel has generally faced over terrorism.

Well, their enemies have heavily outdated tanks.
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New Frenco Empire
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:27 pm

Made this thing from random parts. (Credit to Seeras at DA for most, if not all, components)

Not the best, and it isn't meant to be a realistic machine (ICly, it's the only one and it functions as a command vehicle for an Ork). Though, I'm proud of it as a first original design.
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Mitheldalond
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Postby Mitheldalond » Sun May 04, 2014 8:28 pm

Korouse wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Over their history, conventional full-scale wars are what Israel has generally faced over terrorism.

Well, their enemies have heavily outdated tanks.

At the time, so did the Israelis.

The Merkava is a good tank.

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Rich and Corporations
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sun May 04, 2014 9:16 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Mitheldalond wrote:A 60 caliber gun of that bore size will be almost 10 m long. Modern SPGs are almost universally armed with 155mm guns and as far as I know, none of them exceed 55 calibers in length. This is not a tank; it's an artillery piece with no indirect fire capability. In other words: useless.


IIRC most older pieces plus AS90 are L/39, while recently there's been a trend toward L/52 as in the PzH 2000. Crusader was to have L/56 and be liquid cooled for bonus lulz.
i think crusader was to have liquid fuelled gun
Oaledonia wrote:
Korouse wrote:Not exactly. Their opponents rely on irregular tactics and "terrorism", correct?

Over their history, conventional full-scale wars are what Israel has generally faced over terrorism.

not really, when fighting hezbollah, they were prepared for the intfitada...
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Black Hand
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Postby Black Hand » Sun May 04, 2014 9:39 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
IIRC most older pieces plus AS90 are L/39, while recently there's been a trend toward L/52 as in the PzH 2000. Crusader was to have L/56 and be liquid cooled for bonus lulz.
i think crusader was to have liquid fuelled gun
Oaledonia wrote:Over their history, conventional full-scale wars are what Israel has generally faced over terrorism.

not really, when fighting hezbollah, they were prepared for the intfitada...

I doubt it was to have a liquid fuelled gun solid propellant is better in every perceivable way. Liquid cooling makes sense for that RoF advantage though
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun May 04, 2014 10:27 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:not really, when fighting hezbollah, they were prepared for the intfitada...

Over their history, as in, the past few thousand years.
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Postby Immoren » Sun May 04, 2014 11:27 pm

Black Hand wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:i think crusader was to have liquid fuelled gun
not really, when fighting hezbollah, they were prepared for the intfitada...

I doubt it was to have a liquid fuelled gun solid propellant is better in every perceivable way. Liquid cooling makes sense for that RoF advantage though

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_loa ... ropellants
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 05, 2014 4:02 am

Black Hand wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:True, but HESH is becoming more and more out of date.

I was under the impression HESH was highly useful for anti-structure

And MT-LBs.
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Mozria wrote:You should read up on the Six-Day War. They beat the crap out of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq.

Yes, I know what the Six Day War is, I don't see how me reading up on it would be useful, as I'm talking about the Merkava IV and how it could theoretically fair against... let's say, a Leopard 2A7, if that's the correct name

Irregulars and "terrorists" wouldn't have a Leopard 2A7 and nor would any of Israel's opponents.

If either vehicle was to penetrate the other over the front, the Leopard would penetrate the engine and the Merkava would penetrate ammunition stowage.
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Mon May 05, 2014 6:09 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:i think crusader was to have liquid fuelled gun


Originally, but they dropped that fairly quickly in favour of MACS.

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Postby Zeinbrad » Mon May 05, 2014 6:14 am

I'm currently debating on what the Fusiliers bring to deal with the Boer rebels.

I'm assuming it will be APC and IFV heavy?

Also, this may be a stupid question, but what vehicles do you advise on transporting prisoners? Just trucks?
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Postby Questers » Mon May 05, 2014 6:46 am

Zeinbrad wrote:I'm currently debating on what the Fusiliers bring to deal with the Boer rebels.
Helicopters.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Mon May 05, 2014 6:47 am

Questers wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:I'm currently debating on what the Fusiliers bring to deal with the Boer rebels.
Helicopters.

Besides that. Ground vehicle wise.
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Postby Questers » Mon May 05, 2014 6:58 am

Zeinbrad wrote:
Questers wrote: Helicopters.

Besides that. Ground vehicle wise.
That depends completely on the terrain, actually.
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Zeinbrad
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Postby Zeinbrad » Mon May 05, 2014 6:59 am

Questers wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Besides that. Ground vehicle wise.
That depends completely on the terrain, actually.

I can't decide between South African or European like terrain...
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Mon May 05, 2014 7:00 am

Zeinbrad wrote:I'm currently debating on what the Fusiliers bring to deal with the Boer rebels.

I'm assuming it will be APC and IFV heavy?

Also, this may be a stupid question, but what vehicles do you advise on transporting prisoners? Just trucks?


Depends on what their doctrinal approach is. If you're being silly and French and you're looking for a Jominian resolution to your bouts with the rebels, APCs and IFVs will be what you throw into the fray. If you're a little cleverer and appreciate the fact that APCs and IFVs, with their long supply chains and thick armour, aren't always the best recourse against ragtag bands of Boers, you'll stick with trucks, armoured cars, helicopters and foot patrols with on-call air support.

Judging by the naming, though, you probably want them to be all red-coated and incompetent - in which case, get those tracks rolling!

E: Does also depend on how the rebels fight, how large the area covered is and so on, mind.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Mon May 05, 2014 7:03 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:I'm currently debating on what the Fusiliers bring to deal with the Boer rebels.

I'm assuming it will be APC and IFV heavy?

Also, this may be a stupid question, but what vehicles do you advise on transporting prisoners? Just trucks?


Depends on what their doctrinal approach is. If you're being silly and French and you're looking for a Jominian resolution to your bouts with the rebels, APCs and IFVs will be what you throw into the fray. If you're a little cleverer and appreciate the fact that APCs and IFVs, with their long supply chains and thick armour, aren't always the best recourse against ragtag bands of Boers, you'll stick with trucks, armoured cars, helicopters and foot patrols with on-call air support.

Judging by the naming, though, you probably want them to be all red-coated and incompetent - in which case, get those tracks rolling!

E: Does also depend on how the rebels fight, how large the area covered is and so on, mind.

The Fusiliers are lead by a military genius, but I guess I could make that how the old field marshal got fired.

I imagine the Boers mostly sticking to guerrilla warfare, with the occasional conventional offensive/attack.
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Postby Questers » Mon May 05, 2014 7:28 am

APC and IFV protect against particular kinds of weapon systems; artillery, shrapnel, anti-tank launchers, ATGW to a smaller extent - to protect against rifle and MG you only need a very light APC, and some of those light APCs can have a small footprint indeed (ratel.) But as Anemos says, it depends on the doctrine. Most large enough armies will have different formation types for different types of warfare; for example what you are talking here is much more suited to the British mechanised infantry or light role infantry or air assault battalions than the armoured infantry or cavalry regiments.
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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 05, 2014 7:41 am

What would I need to change on the AMX-10C inorder to futur it until around 2030?
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Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
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Postby Questers » Mon May 05, 2014 7:42 am

Better ammo, optics, FCS, networking.

Nothing else. "improved" gun if possible.
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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 05, 2014 7:45 am

Questers wrote:Better ammo, optics, FCS, networking.

Nothing else. "improved" gun if possible.

I'm not worried about the gun so much. I think that a 105 to the side should handle almost anything, right?
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
Divair wrote:NSG summer doesn't end anymore. Climate change.
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Postby Gallia- » Mon May 05, 2014 7:47 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Questers wrote:Better ammo, optics, FCS, networking.

Nothing else. "improved" gun if possible.

I'm not worried about the gun so much. I think that a 105 to the side should handle almost anything, right?


"Improved" as in IWS.

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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 05, 2014 7:50 am

Gallia- wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'm not worried about the gun so much. I think that a 105 to the side should handle almost anything, right?


"Improved" as in IWS.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3633.html
This little shit?
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 05, 2014 7:55 am

Gallia- wrote:such language
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Fuck.
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
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