[NSG Senate] Senate Chamber: Do We Have Work?

[Argentarino]

Aye

[MERIZoC]

Aye

[Zurkerx]

Aye

[Takhshiyt]

Abstain

[Geilinor]

Aye

[Collatis]

AYE

[Eol Sha]

Abstain

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

"ORDER - With a two-thirds majority of votes in favour, the Ayes have it and the proposed constitutional amendment is adopted. We shall now begin debate on the Resolution of Confidence in the President as proposed by the Honourable Ahmed Alef, with a period lasting twenty-four hours."

Order Paper

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All times stated are tentatively 1830 UTC + 8 (Elizian Timezone) unless stated.

Sunday (Noon) to Monday - Resolution of Confidence in the President (Hon. Ahmed Alef)

Monday to Tuesday - Constitutional Amendment (Appointment of Ambassadors) Act (Rt. Hon. Jiang Muhammad)

Tuesday to Wednesday - Constitutional Amendment (Removal of Vice President) Act (Rt. Hon. Jiang Muhammad)

Wednesday to Thursday - Warrants and Subpoenas Act (Hon. Ahmed Corbor)

Thursday to Friday - Helping And Rescuing Animals and Mammals Beaten Endlessly Act (Rt. Hon. Ujang Duong)

Friday to Saturday - Repeal of the Financial Sovereignty Act and IMF Accession Act (Hon. Ryan binti Kamaaluddeen)

Saturday to Sunday - Voting on proposed bIlls

Resolution of Confidence in the President
Sponsors: Ahmed Alef (ECP) | Tijah bin Dian (SLP) | Juwita bin Famar (SLP) | Chi Gouzhi (LDP) | Michael Nugati (SLP) | Kevin Katdare (LDP)

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A resolution regarding the confidence of the House in the President, Raharjo Iskandar-Bambang.
WHEREAS—

THE PRESIDENT has supported policies reminiscent of the fascist regime before the December Peace Accords;

THE PRESIDENT has demonstrated concerning leadership quality in his cabinet appointments; and

THE PRESIDENT has exhibited moral deficiency and drunkenness in his governance and personal behaviors,

BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED by the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, that this House has no confidence in the Government.

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[The Sarian]

"Point of order- Mr Speaker himself asserted that constitutional amendments came first"

[FreYhill]

"Point of order- Mr Speaker himself asserted that constitutional amendments came first"

Point of Order, Mr Speaker. The Chair of the house decides the order of the house.

[Arkolon]

"Mr Speaker, is this resolution in order, not only when Constitutional Amendments have priority over all other bills, but also when a Budget (being a vote of confidence) is tabled?"

[The New World Oceania]

"Point of order- Mr Speaker himself asserted that constitutional amendments came first"

"Mr Speaker, is this resolution in order, not only when Constitutional Amendments have priority over all other bills, but also when a Budget (being a vote of confidence) is tabled?"

OOC: the only thing the Constitution says takes precedence over anything else is a confidence resolution. The Parliamentary Procedure Amendment said that constitutional amendments took precedence over everything else, but it was just repealed. No business can be considered until the resolution is disposed of.

[Arkolon]

"Point of order- Mr Speaker himself asserted that constitutional amendments came first"

"Mr Speaker, is this resolution in order, not only when Constitutional Amendments have priority over all other bills, but also when a Budget (being a vote of confidence) is tabled?"

OOC: the only thing the Constitution says takes precedence over anything else is a confidence resolution. The Parliamentary Procedure Amendment said that constitutional amendments took precedence over everything else, but it was just repealed. No business can be considered until the resolution is disposed of.

Assuming you wrote something along those lines in IC, "But Mr Speaker, holding two votes of confidence at once leaves open the possibility that I simultaneously do and do not have the confidence of the Senate. Surely having two of these votes is unnecessary, being either redundant or contradictory."

[The Nihilistic view]

"I'm sure the people of this country will enjoy our current time wasting."

[Zurkerx]

"I'm sure the people of this country will enjoy our current time wasting."

"Reminds me of the Americans", chuckled Asako.

[Tumbra]

"But Mr Speaker, holding two votes of confidence at once leaves open the possibility that I simultaneously do and do not have the confidence of the Senate. Surely having two of these votes is unnecessary, being either redundant or contradictory."

"Yes, well, it is."

[The New World Oceania]

"But Mr Speaker, holding two votes of confidence at once leaves open the possibility that I simultaneously do and do not have the confidence of the Senate. Surely having two of these votes is unnecessary, being either redundant or contradictory."

"Yes, well, it is."

"Mr. Speaker, seeing numerous contradicting precedents and constitutional conundrums, I hope to suggest the following, at the least for your consideration.

"At the end of the debate period on the resolution, should we vote for 48 hours, if the Government maintains confidence we can debate bills, including the budget, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and the Government, barring remarkable circumstances, will win the budget vote as well during voting on the weekend. If the Government loses confidence, we may have a 24-hour nomination period for the presidency, then a 48-hour vote, swearing in the President on Saturday, October 1st — their term will then end on December 1st, the day after parliamentary elections."

[Arkolon]

"Yes, well, it is."

"Mr. Speaker, seeing numerous contradicting precedents and constitutional conundrums, I hope to suggest the following, at the least for your consideration.

"At the end of the debate period on the resolution, should we vote for 48 hours, if the Government maintains confidence we can debate bills, including the budget, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and the Government, barring remarkable circumstances, will win the budget vote as well during voting on the weekend. If the Government loses confidence, we may have a 24-hour nomination period for the presidency, then a 48-hour vote, swearing in the President on Saturday, October 1st — their term will then end on December 1st, the day after parliamentary elections."

"Mr Speaker, we have never done things this way. The entire purpose of the Repeal of the PPA was to bring the Constitution and our parliamentary procedure back to its previous state - as you well know, Mr Speaker, its previous state was one where we debated what was tabled during the week and where we voted on what was debated at the end. There is no reason for us to subvert our precedents and vote on a bill halfway through the week! Following every precedent of the Elizian Senate, I remind the Speaker that the Resolution will have to be voted on this Saturday - as was always planned in the Order Paper. Since this Resolution will be joined by the Budget this weekend, the Resolution will have one of two outcomes: either it is redundant or it is contradictory - two outcomes which are not conducive to the purpose of our Senate. For the sake of our increasingly-large backlog of bills, and in the interest of maintaining our set parliamentary precedent, debate on this Resolution should be replaced with debate on the Budget - swapping a useless confidence vote for a useful confidence vote.

[The New World Oceania]

"Mr. Speaker, seeing numerous contradicting precedents and constitutional conundrums, I hope to suggest the following, at the least for your consideration.

"At the end of the debate period on the resolution, should we vote for 48 hours, if the Government maintains confidence we can debate bills, including the budget, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and the Government, barring remarkable circumstances, will win the budget vote as well during voting on the weekend. If the Government loses confidence, we may have a 24-hour nomination period for the presidency, then a 48-hour vote, swearing in the President on Saturday, October 1st — their term will then end on December 1st, the day after parliamentary elections."

"Mr Speaker, we have never done things this way. The entire purpose of the Repeal of the PPA was to bring the Constitution and our parliamentary procedure back to its previous state - as you well know, Mr Speaker, its previous state was one where we debated what was tabled during the week and where we voted on what was debated at the end. There is no reason for us to subvert our precedents and vote on a bill halfway through the week! Following every precedent of the Elizian Senate, I remind the Speaker that the Resolution will have to be voted on this Saturday - as was always planned in the Order Paper. Since this Resolution will be joined by the Budget this weekend, the Resolution will have one of two outcomes: either it is redundant or it is contradictory - two outcomes which are not conducive to the purpose of our Senate. For the sake of our increasingly-large backlog of bills, and in the interest of maintaining our set parliamentary precedent, debate on this Resolution should be replaced with debate on the Budget - swapping a useless confidence vote for a useful confidence vote.

"Sure Mr. Speaker, let's allow the Government to violate the Constitution for sake of delaying a confidence vote. The Constitution very clearly and explicitly states that confidence resolutions must be disposed of before any other business. We must, constitutionally, vote on the confidence resolution once debate ends. That was not my suggestion, as the Right Honorable Gentleman seems to believe. I was suggesting, rather, that after that we move directly into the procedure of electing a new President should the Government lose confidence.

"And — remarkably — the President is convinced that the budget is not a means to fund Elizia, but rather absolutely equivalent to a confidence resolution. No doubt loss of supply is loss of confidence, but if the President is convinced that the budget would be redundant after a confidence resolution, perhaps he should withdraw it. After all, he is convinced it serves no purpose different from the confidence resolution, does he not? And the confidence resolution does take precedence over the budget, does it not? So he should withdraw the budget if that is his inclination, particularly if he is concerned that he might win a confidence vote then lose the budget — Mr. Speaker, if that is the case, then perhaps it is not him, but the budget.

"The Constitution states confidence resolutions take precedence over all other business. This is not merely a matter of debating them, but voting as well, or else they could be debated before anything else — sure — but then voting could be delayed months. Mr. Speaker, constitutionally voting begins in four hours. This is non-negotiable, and the courts will surely intervene were we to violate the supreme law. The question is whether to, should the Government lose confidence, then allow a caretaker President to present a budget. I assure you the confidence concern of the budget will be redundant — God forbid! It is a manufactured concern, however, one that should not compel us to violate the Constitution in the name of the President clinging to the last vestiges of his power."

[Tectonix]

Senator Maxwell awakens from his nap, returning to his sudoku puzzle and letting the rest of the chamber bicker away.

[Eredion]

Senator Veas gives applause to his party comrade.

[The Nihilistic view]

"I'm sure the people of this country will enjoy our current time wasting."

"Reminds me of the Americans", chuckled Asako.

"But fast food! Everything AMERICANS DO IS FAST! AND LOUD AND FAST, FAST AND LOUD."


Boris also wonders why Raharjo is debating with himself.

[FreYhill]

"Reminds me of the Americans", chuckled Asako.

"But fast food! Everything AMERICANS DO IS FAST! AND LOUD AND FAST, FAST AND LOUD."


Boris also wonders why Raharjo is debating with himself.

Chi Chuckles at Borris

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

"ORDER - We shall now begin 24-hour debate on the Constitutional Amendment (Appointment of Ambassadors) Act as proposed by the Right Honourable Jiang Muhammad."

Order Paper

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All times stated are tentatively 1830 UTC + 8 (Elizian Timezone) unless stated.

Sunday (Noon) to Monday - Resolution of Confidence in the President (Hon. Ahmed Alef)

Monday to Tuesday - Constitutional Amendment (Appointment of Ambassadors) Act (Rt. Hon. Jiang Muhammad)

Tuesday to Wednesday - Constitutional Amendment (Removal of Vice President) Act (Rt. Hon. Jiang Muhammad)

Wednesday to Thursday - Warrants and Subpoenas Act (Hon. Ahmed Corbor)

Thursday to Friday - Helping And Rescuing Animals and Mammals Beaten Endlessly Act (Rt. Hon. Ujang Duong)

Friday to Saturday - Repeal of the Financial Sovereignty Act and IMF Accession Act (Hon. Ryan binti Kamaaluddeen)

Saturday to Sunday - Voting on proposed bIlls

Constitutional Amendment (Appointment of Ambassadors) Act
| GOVERNMENT BILL |
| MISCELLANEOUS BILL :: CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS |

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Author: Senator Muhammad, Foreign Secretary (The Sarian | Chinese Interest Party)
Sponsors: the Government

AN ACT to Amend the Constitution of the Federation of Elizia to Alter the Appointment of Ambassadors to Foreign Countries and Holders of Other Office

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Part Two, Article V of The Constitution of the Federation of Elizia shall be amended from -

"The President of Elizia may, with the explicit consent of the Senate, appoint ambassadors to foreign states and any other office which the Senate finds should require their expressed approval to appoint. All other offices of the government may be appointed by the President of Elizia with the implicit approval of the Senate’s confidence. The President of Elizia may appoint any office requiring the explicit approval of the Senate which is vacant when the Senate is in recess and such appointments shall expire at the end of the next session of the Senate unless the Senate shall give its expressed approval."

To -

"The President of Elizia may, on the advice of the minister responsible, appoint ambassadors to foreign states and any other office. The Senate may move to block the appointment in accordance with it's own procedures and by-laws."

[The Nihilistic view]

"Looks fine, sign me up."