NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[Minarchist States]

In FALEA, why should immigrants be forced to take mandatory language classes? We already have an optional course. And at the taxpayers expense, too? I understand its to help them assimilate but geez.

Because they need to be able to speak with the people here. If they can't speak English its not going to work very well is it for them or us.

If the social pressure is enough, immigrants will usually master the language in a year at least, provided they are not forced into ghettos. If there are enough immigrants to affect the economy, then employers will be compelled to accommodate them. Certainly there are jobs for translators? There are already so many restrictions...granted I don't understand the UK's system butg seriously.

[The Nihilistic view]

Because they need to be able to speak with the people here. If they can't speak English its not going to work very well is it for them or us.

If the social pressure is enough, immigrants will usually master the language in a year at least, provided they are not forced into ghettos. If there are enough immigrants to affect the economy, then employers will be compelled to accommodate them. Certainly there are jobs for translators? There are already so many restrictions...granted I don't understand the UK's system butg seriously.

It's actually the biggest gripes of the British people when it comes to immigration rules. Classes are not mandatory for very long. I am not even sure if EU nationals even have to take them.

I won't ever hire somebody I can't speak too.

[The Nihilistic view]

This is mandatory under law.


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[McKleigh]

Social Justice Act
Author: PM Alexander Ainin [NDP] | Urgency: High | SIMBEDS: Domestic Development
Sponsors: David Sloman [NDP], Wulukuno Porunalakai [NDP], Max Roman [NDP], Zephiniah Nuckerberg [NDP], Joshua Burchett [RG], Rupert Weinthal [ALM]
The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Whereas often-abused and unprivileged persons in lower classes of society deserve the protection of the law against discrimination and personal attacks, as mandated by the International Law Act,

Whereas government is the only institution capable of enforcing justice in an uniform and objective fashion,

Whereas the Government of Aurentina believes everyone is born free and equal, as affirmed by our ratification of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and Charter of the United Nations,

Hereby enacts the following into law:

This act may be referred to as the Social Justice Act of 2013, tabled by Prime Minister Alexander Ainin of the New Democratic Party.

Section 0
Homeless person is defined as an actual person (see below) without a permanent residence within Aurentina, but is either a citizen or permanent resident.
Restaurant is defined as a business located in a fixed location larger than 100m² selling food, drinks or both, and with access to tap water (see below).
Tap water is defined as drinkable water originating from a government-owned water filtration facility.
Actual person is defined as a member of the Homo sapiens family.
Person is defined as an entity prosecutable by law for offences.

Section I

All restaurants are mandated to offer a glass at least 250 mL of tap water to persons at no charge.
All owners of restaurant owners are mandated to inform its existing staff of the above regulation, and to explain this to all new staff.
All persons that fail to implementing either clause within 31 days of the act's passage is violation of a statute, a contravention.
The Ministry of Health shall be mandated to inform all restaurant owners within 10 days of the act's passage, through the Aurentine Postal Service.
Restaurants that lack addresses shall be given one by the relevant authority, and the Ministry of Health shall have to mail its owners with the provisions of this act within 15 days of the creation of the address.

Section II

The Ministry of the Interior shall be mandated to create and operate night shelters for homeless persons.
It must build at least one publicly-administered shelter in every census-designated area (see: Aurentine Postal Service Act) for every 10,000 persons (rounded to the nearest ten thousand). Too blanket. What about rich areas where virtually no homeless people are?
All shelters must have able to accommodate a minimum of 25 actual persons comfortably, to be verified by the Ministry of Labour each year.
Shelters must provide an adequate quantity of free food, an unlimited amount of free water, and comfortable bedding to all homeless persons.
A shelter may only refuse access to a person for the following reasons:
The person is clearly not a homeless person, which the staff is allowed to verify by asking for an adequate form of identification. If it cannot be presented, the staff may forbid the person from entry at its discretion.
The person's entry may severely disrupt the public order or may put the staff or residents at risk of bodily or psychological harm.

If you make the modifications I've suggested, I'll sponsor the bill.

I would also be willing to sponser if the above modifications were made.

[Libertechie]

Because they need to be able to speak with the people here. If they can't speak English its not going to work very well is it for them or us.

If the social pressure is enough, immigrants will usually master the language in a year at least, provided they are not forced into ghettos. If there are enough immigrants to affect the economy, then employers will be compelled to accommodate them. Certainly there are jobs for translators? There are already so many restrictions...granted I don't understand the UK's system butg seriously.

Although it will cost, it seriously is a benefit. We don't want (as you said) ghettos being formed, an immigrants making Little Italies and Chinatowns around, otherwise we aren't having immigration, instead we may be having crime, which is not the kinda lives the majority of immigrants wish to pursue when they arrive.

[Libertechie]

Having talked at length with the powers that be this is the full debate schedule currently up.

-Child Protection Act
-Social Justice Act
Railway Operations and Regulations Act
Free Aurentine Language Education Act
Aurentine Education Act


Five bills mean there will be a minimum of 48 hours of debate. Thank you.

May we please have the Privatization of Water Resources Act up there as well?

[The Nihilistic view]

Having talked at length with the powers that be this is the full debate schedule currently up.

-Child Protection Act
-Social Justice Act
Railway Operations and Regulations Act
Free Aurentine Language Education Act
Aurentine Education Act


Five bills mean there will be a minimum of 48 hours of debate. Thank you.

May we please have the Privatization of Water Resources Act up there as well?

No, it was submitted after DD was begun so it will have to wait until next time. Sorry.

[Oneracon]

If the social pressure is enough, immigrants will usually master the language in a year at least, provided they are not forced into ghettos. If there are enough immigrants to affect the economy, then employers will be compelled to accommodate them. Certainly there are jobs for translators? There are already so many restrictions...granted I don't understand the UK's system butg seriously.

Although it will cost, it seriously is a benefit. We don't want (as you said) ghettos being formed, an immigrants making Little Italies and Chinatowns around, otherwise we aren't having immigration, instead we may be having crime, which is not the kinda lives the majority of immigrants wish to pursue when they arrive.

Little Italies and Chinatowns are apparently the causes of crime now

[New Zepuha]

Although it will cost, it seriously is a benefit. We don't want (as you said) ghettos being formed, an immigrants making Little Italies and Chinatowns around, otherwise we aren't having immigration, instead we may be having crime, which is not the kinda lives the majority of immigrants wish to pursue when they arrive.

Little Italies and Chinatowns are apparently the causes of crime now

I take that to offense.

[McKleigh]

Little Italies and Chinatowns are apparently the causes of crime now

I take that to offense.

You are not alone.

[Belmaria]

Although it will cost, it seriously is a benefit. We don't want (as you said) ghettos being formed, an immigrants making Little Italies and Chinatowns around, otherwise we aren't having immigration, instead we may be having crime, which is not the kinda lives the majority of immigrants wish to pursue when they arrive.

Little Italies and Chinatowns are apparently the causes of crime now

Perhaps not causes of crime, but certainly dens of crime. Low income areas typically have high crime rates.

[Geilinor]

If the social pressure is enough, immigrants will usually master the language in a year at least, provided they are not forced into ghettos. If there are enough immigrants to affect the economy, then employers will be compelled to accommodate them. Certainly there are jobs for translators? There are already so many restrictions...granted I don't understand the UK's system butg seriously.

Although it will cost, it seriously is a benefit. We don't want (as you said) ghettos being formed, an immigrants making Little Italies and Chinatowns around, otherwise we aren't having immigration, instead we may be having crime, which is not the kinda lives the majority of immigrants wish to pursue when they arrive.

So all Little Italies and Chinatowns are bad and you don't want them at all, even if they attract tourists?

[Beta Test]

Little Italies and Chinatowns are apparently the causes of crime now

Perhaps not causes of crime, but certainly dens of crime. Low income areas typically have high crime rates.

And it is up to the government to clean them up and improve the living conditions of those areas.

[The Nihilistic view]

Although it will cost, it seriously is a benefit. We don't want (as you said) ghettos being formed, an immigrants making Little Italies and Chinatowns around, otherwise we aren't having immigration, instead we may be having crime, which is not the kinda lives the majority of immigrants wish to pursue when they arrive.

So all Little Italies and Chinatowns are bad and you don't want them at all, even if they attract tourists?

If they can't speak to the authorities then there wont be any china towns as they won't be able to fill out all the paperwork for their business.

[Geilinor]

So all Little Italies and Chinatowns are bad and you don't want them at all, even if they attract tourists?

If they can't speak to the authorities then there wont be any china towns as they won't be able to fill out all the paperwork for their business.

So how does San Francisco have a Chinatown? No mandatory English courses there.

[Skeckoa]

So all Little Italies and Chinatowns are bad and you don't want them at all, even if they attract tourists?

If they can't speak to the authorities then there wont be any china towns as they won't be able to fill out all the paperwork for their business.

You act as if immigrants do not realize that it would be beneficial for them to learn the language. THEY KNOW! It's kind of disgusting how some senators here have grouped immigrants together and decided on themselves that "they will not learn unless we make them!" and using those typical fear tactics of sensationalism like "we will have enclaves EVERYWHERE and no one will understand each other!"

So how does San Francisco have a Chinatown? No mandatory English courses there.

By the way, schools have to be in English by Californian Law (Proposition 227). But many of them are new immigrants while the more established ones go to the rest of the city. In reality, San Francisco is a big Chinese Ethnic Enclave.

[The Nihilistic view]

Sorry, just really cracked me up!!!

[Dangelia]

If they can't speak to the authorities then there wont be any china towns as they won't be able to fill out all the paperwork for their business.

You act as if immigrants do not realize that it would be beneficial for them to learn the language. THEY KNOW! It's kind of disgusting how some senators here have grouped immigrants together and decided on themselves that "they will not learn unless we make them!" and using those typical fear tactics of sensationalism like "we will have enclaves EVERYWHERE and no one will understand each other!"

So how does San Francisco have a Chinatown? No mandatory English courses there.

By the way, schools have to be in English by Californian Law (Proposition 227). But many of them are new immigrants while the more established ones go to the rest of the city. In reality, San Francisco is a big Chinese Ethnic Enclave.

You tell em Benito. Us foreign people gotta stick together.

*chest bump*

[Skeckoa]

You tell em Benito. Us foreign people gotta stick together. *chest bump*

But I was born in Aurentina...

[The Nihilistic view]

You tell em Benito. Us foreign people gotta stick together. *chest bump*

But I was born in Aurentina...

And I wasn't

[Dangelia]

You tell em Benito. Us foreign people gotta stick together. *chest bump*

But I was born in Aurentina...

So was I. But ethnically, were not the indigenous.

[Skeckoa]

But I was born in Aurentina...

So was I. But ethnically, we're not the indigenous.

Alright then.. Fair enough. Either way, stupid bill is xenophobic in nature and would be a tragedy if it gets more than 5 votes, save the fascists.

[Dangelia]

So was I. But ethnically, we're not the indigenous.

Alright then.. Fair enough. Either way, stupid bill is xenophobic in nature and would be a tragedy if it gets more than 5 votes, save the fascists.

Btw, thanks for not accepting my chest bump. Now you just have a random middle-aged Albanian man dressed as a prince tweaking with his bosom. Uhh!

[Skeckoa]

Alright then.. Fair enough. Either way, stupid bill is xenophobic in nature and would be a tragedy if it gets more than 5 votes, save the fascists.

Btw, thanks for not accepting my chest bump. Now you just have a random middle-aged Albanian man dressed as a prince tweaking with his bosom. Uhh!

I thought it was assumd that I accepted it! Alright then, wait, back up, be careful, I'm old. 1...2...3... CHEST BUMP!

[Dangelia]

Btw, thanks for not accepting my chest bump. Now you just have a random middle-aged Albanian man dressed as a prince tweaking with his bosom. Uhh!

I thought it was assumd that I accepted it! Alright then, wait, back up, be careful, I'm old. 1...2...3... CHEST BUMP!

I have a feeling that this event will forever by remembered by people everywhere: