NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[The Nihilistic view]

Well No prizes for guessing the LGA failed. Exact count will be up soon.

[Britanno]

Reformation of Government Act

Category: Miscellaneous | Urgency: Moderate | Author: Senator James Brit (Independent) | Co-Sponsors: Senator James Pace (Independent), Minister Emilia Nuckerburg (Modern Whig Party), Senator Rupert Weinthal (Aurentine Liberals and Moderates), Senator Boris Johnson (Aurentine Liberals and Moderates), Senator Sachindra Kshetri (National Centre Party)

Applauding the Ministry Foundation Act for establishing an efficient form of governance.

However Understanding that the system created by the act is no longer effective and is needed of replacement.

Section I - Repeal of the MFA
1. The Ministry Foundation Act is hereby repealed and its content rendered null and void.
Section II - Establishment of the Cabinet
1. The Cabinet of the Commonwealth of Aurentina shall be formally established .

a) The cabinet shall be lead by the Head of Government.
b) The Head of Government shall have the power to appoint and dismiss members of the cabinet.
c) The Head of Government shall be the Prime Minister.
d) The cabinet shall be made up of the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, the Secretary of State for the Interior, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, the Secretary of State for Finance, the Secretary of State for Labour, the Secretary of State for Education, the Secretary of State for Health, the Secretary of State for Defence, the Secretary of State for the Environment and the Secretary of State for Culture.
e) No more members of the cabinet may be appointed without the permission of the senate.

Section III - Reformation of Government
1. The Ministry of the Interior is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning law enforcement, immigration, justice and security.

a) The Ministry of the Interior shall be lead by the Secretary of State for the Interior.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for the Interior shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for the Interior shall have the power to appoint the Law Enforcement Minister, the Immigration Minister, the Justice Minister and the Security Minister.
d) The Law Enforcement Minister shall be in charge of law enforcement agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Interior Minister.
e) The position of the Law Enforcement Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.
f) The Immigration Minister shall be in charge of immigration agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for the Interior.
g) The position of the Immigration Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.
h) The Justice Minister shall be in charge of judicial agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for the Interior.
i) The position of the Justice Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.
j) The Security Minister shall be in charge of security agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for the Interior.
k) The position of the Security Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

2. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning foreign affairs and international development.

a) The Ministry of Foreign Affairs shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs shall have the power to appoint the International Development Minister.
d) The International Development Minister shall be in charge of international development agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.
e) The position of the International Development Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

3. The Ministry of Finance is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning finance and the Treasury

a) The Ministry of Finance shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Finance.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Finance shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Finance shall have the power to appoint the Treasurer, the Trade Minister and the Primary Resources Minister.
d) The Treasurer shall be in charge of national budget agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Finance.
e) The position of the Treasurer shall not be mandated to be filled.
f) The Trade Minister shall be in charge of trade agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Finance.
g) The position of the Trade Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.
h) The Primary Resources Minister shall be in charge of primary resources agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Finance.
i) The position of the Primary Resources Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

4. The Ministry of Labour is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning welfare and business safety.

a) The Ministry of Labour shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Labour.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Labour shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Labour shall have the power to appoint the Business Safety Minister.
d) The Business Safety Minister shall be in charge of business safety agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Labour.
e) The position of the Business Safety Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

5. The Ministry of Education is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning education.

a) The Ministry of Education shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Education.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Education shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Education shall have the power to appoint the Schools Minister and the Universities Minister.
d) The Schools Minister shall be in charge of educational institutional agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Education.
e) The position of the Schools Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.
f) The Universities Minister shall be in charge of university related agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Education.
g) The position of the Universities Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

6. The Ministry of Health is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning health and hospitals.

a) The Ministry of Health shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Health.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Health shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Health shall have the power to appoint the Hospitals Minister.
d) The Hospitals Minister shall be in charge of hospital agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Health.
e) The position of the Hospitals Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

7. The Ministry of Defence is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning national defence and veterans.

a) The Ministry of Defence shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Defence.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Defence shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Defence shall have the power to appoint the Veterans Minister.
d) The Veterans Minister shall be in charge of veteran agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Defence.
e) The position of the Veterans Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

8. The Ministry of Environment is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning the environment and energy.

a) The Ministry of Environment shall be lead by the Secretary of State for the Environment.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for the Environment shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for the Environment shall have the power to appoint the Energy Minister.
d) The Energy Minister shall be in charge of energy agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for the Environment.
e) The position of the Energy Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

9. The Ministry of Culture is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning culture, media and sport

a) The Ministry of Culture shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Culture.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Culture shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Culture shall have the power to appoint the Media Minister and the Sports Minister.
d) The Media Minister shall be in charge of media agencies and events (including telecommunications), but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Culture.
e) The position of the Media Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.
f) The Sports Minister shall be in charge of sport agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Culture.
g) The position of the Sports Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

10. The Ministry of Transportation is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning transport.

a) The Ministry of Transportation shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Transportation.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Transportation shall be mandated to be filled.

11. The Ministry of Research is formally established and shall deal with all matters concerning research and astronomy.

a) The Ministry of Research shall be lead by the Secretary of State for Research.
b) The position of the Secretary of State for Research shall be mandated to be filled.
c) The Secretary of State for Research shall have the power to appoint the Astronomy Minister.
d) The Astronomy Minister shall be in charge of astronomy agencies and events, but shall not have the power to overrule the orders of the Secretary of State for Resarch.
e) The position of the Astronomy Minister shall not be mandated to be filled.

Section IV - On Previously Passed Bills
1. All bills previously passed by the senate that refer to any of the previous titles belonging to members of the cabinet shall be interpretation as the relevant new title.

I'd like to submit this to the queue please.

[Zurkerx]

Okay, let's try this again. I would like to submit this under Domestic Development.

Re-Innovation of the Broadcasting Act

Urgency: High| Author(s): Zurkerx| Category: Domestic Development

Co-sponsors: The Liberated Territories [LPA], Skeckoa [LPA], McKleigh [LPA], Panmerica [LPA], New Zepuha [ALM]

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RECOGNIZING that the Aurentina Television Network Revision Act was passed to sustain the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk.

UNDERSTANDING that the Second Amendment to the Broadcasting Act was passed due to concern of bias advertisement from private companies.

CONCERN that the Second Amendment to the Broadcasting Act significantly cuts funds from the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk.

BELIEVING that less of a burden will not only be put on the Citizens of Aurentina, but the Aurentine Government as well.

REALIZING that the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk can survive through other means of funding.

HEREBY ENACTS the following clauses:

Clause 1- Aurentisë Televisënetwörk will no longer be supported by the Aurentine Government to keep it funded.

Clause 2- The Second Amendment to the Broadcasting Act is hereby null and void in its entirely.

Clause 3- The Aurentisë Televisënetwörk shall become a Commercial Broadcaster.

Clause 4- The Aurentina Television Network Revision Act will still be in affect until the first day of 2016.

THE FOLLOWING is defined:

- A Commercial Broadcaster is a broadcaster by corporate media that broadcasts private television programs and radio programming.

Funding will proceed as the following:

-The Aurentisë Televisënetwörk shall be funded by grants from charities or individuals.

-The Aurentisë Televisënetwörk shall be funded by paid advertisers as well.

IN THE EVENT that the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk has loses on their financial report, the Aurentina Government can underwrite the losses.

-The Aurentina Government cannot underwrite anything else in the Aurentisë Televisënetwörk.

-Underwriting will occur on December 31 of every year, IF there are any loses in the financial report.

THIS BILL shall take affect on January 1, 2016.

Alright, hopefully this is the last time I have to ask.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well No prizes for guessing the LGA failed. Exact count will be up soon.

I forgot to post this yesterday.

LGA, 6-21, 2 abst.

[Lamaredia]

Business & Finance
To deal with issues pertinent to the Work, Commerce, and Treasury ministries

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Section A:
- Minimum Wage Act

This is the bill currently up for debate, debate will last for 24 hours.

[Battlion]

Fully support, the original minimum wage was far too high for a nation our own size.

[Kamchastkia]

I suggest the bill include portions requiring that the Living Wage Commission be made up by union representatives and owners of companies to ensure that neither side unfairly benefits.

[The Nihilistic view]

I am opposed to the new bill as it takes control over the NMW out of the hands of the senate and into the hands of unelected bureaucrats. Whilst I think we need some lower rates for young workers and apprentices to make them more attractive this should be done through us passing a bill specifying what these new rates will be exactly.

[Calimera II]

So this bill basically takes all power away from unions, the government and employers?

[Great Nepal]

I suggest the bill include portions requiring that the Living Wage Commission be made up by union representatives and owners of companies to ensure that neither side unfairly benefits.

I dont think we should have representatives of unions or owners but civil servants who have enough experience in economics to decide minimum living income needed...

I am opposed to the new bill as it takes control over the NMW out of the hands of the senate and into the hands of unelected bureaucrats. Whilst I think we need some lower rates for young workers and apprentices to make them more attractive this should be done through us passing a bill specifying what these new rates will be exactly.

Such numbers are going to be arbitrary, this way wage is going to be determined in manner consistent and ensures that 1) Work always pays more than benefits and 2) People in work always have enough to live on.

[Great Nepal]

So this bill basically takes all power away from unions, the government and employers?

No, it ties minimum wage with maximum benefits and ensures that it is calculated accurately rather than in arbitrary numbers picked from air. Unions can still negotiate with employers for higher than minimum wage.

[Kamchastkia]

I suggest the bill include portions requiring that the Living Wage Commission be made up by union representatives and owners of companies to ensure that neither side unfairly benefits.

I dont think we should have representatives of unions or owners but civil servants who have enough experience in economics to decide minimum living income needed...

This allows for heavy bias in favor of the owners as the owners have more money and more influence among individuals than unions.

[Great Nepal]

I dont think we should have representatives of unions or owners but civil servants who have enough experience in economics to decide minimum living income needed...

This allows for heavy bias in favor of the owners as the owners have more money and more influence among individuals than unions.

I dont see how that has a issue, I am sure bribing civil servants is criminal offence and frankly we shouldn't have representatives from either stakeholders but people who are experts at what they are doing: ie. economists. I dont see how having union leaders or CEOs in trying to determine how much people need to survive is good idea or will result in anything but partisan results. I mean surely having economists who are independent and know what they are doing will result in more accurate result?

[The Liberated Territories]

Umm

[Kamchastkia]

This allows for heavy bias in favor of the owners as the owners have more money and more influence among individuals than unions.

I dont see how that has a issue, I am sure bribing civil servants is criminal offence and frankly we shouldn't have representatives from either stakeholders but people who are experts at what they are doing: ie. economists. I dont see how having union leaders or CEOs in trying to determine how much people need to survive is good idea or will result in anything but partisan results. I mean surely having economists who are independent and know what they are doing will result in more accurate result?

Economists are almost never independent.

[The Nihilistic view]

The fairest way is to let the people decide, why they do through voting for their senator and his stated policy on the NMW. We then vote based on our backing. Giving unelected bureaucrats power over such things is not a good idea for the people.

[Britcan]

In regards to section 4aii, the bill should specify the period of time over which the additional £1000 is given.

[Great Nepal]

In regards to section 4aii, the bill should specify the period of time over which the additional £1000 is given.

Yes, I forgot to include that. Thanks; its supposed to be pcy fixed.

I dont see how that has a issue, I am sure bribing civil servants is criminal offence and frankly we shouldn't have representatives from either stakeholders but people who are experts at what they are doing: ie. economists. I dont see how having union leaders or CEOs in trying to determine how much people need to survive is good idea or will result in anything but partisan results. I mean surely having economists who are independent and know what they are doing will result in more accurate result?

Economists are almost never independent.

Well, I am sure civil service can find few who are to appoint to this body. Never the less, it is less partisan than having direct representatives as what we dont want it situation where minimum living wage is being determined not based on actual economics but based on what unions want and what companies want; that discussion can be done between those to parties in some fancy hotel. The membership of the body should be made entirely on merit and nothing else as this ensures we have non partisan, independent calculations.

[The New World Oceania]

In regards to section 4aii, the bill should specify the period of time over which the additional £1000 is given.

Yes, I forgot to include that. Thanks; its supposed to be pcy fixed.

Economists are almost never independent.

...we dont want it situation where minimum living wage is being determined not based on actual economics but based on what unions want and what companies want…

Define "actual economics."

[Great Nepal]

Yes, I forgot to include that. Thanks; its supposed to be pcy fixed.

...we dont want it situation where minimum living wage is being determined not based on actual economics but based on what unions want and what companies want…

Define "actual economics."

In this context living circumstances of people in the country, the average costs, retail prices etc. Essentially it should be based on how much people can live on rather than based on partisan self interests of unions and CEO's.

[The Nihilistic view]

Economics is the study of partisan self interests and how two or more parties with different interests interact in the market place. The phase "Actual Economics" is nothing more that a logical fallacy.

[Great Nepal]

Economics is the study of partisan self interests and how two or more parties with different interests interact in the market place. The phase "Actual Economics" is nothing more that a logical fallacy.

So you believe having people who haven't got experience with economics, or representatives with vested interest like CEO's and union leaders will result in more accurate value than employing people who have studied and have experience with economics?

[The New World Oceania]

Economics is the study of partisan self interests and how two or more parties with different interests interact in the market place. The phase "Actual Economics" is nothing more that a logical fallacy.

So you believe having people who haven't got experience with economics, or representatives with vested interest like CEO's and union leaders will result in more accurate value than employing people who have studied and have experience with economics?

The people who control economics surely don't have experience in it.

[The Nihilistic view]

Economics is the study of partisan self interests and how two or more parties with different interests interact in the market place. The phase "Actual Economics" is nothing more that a logical fallacy.

So you believe having people who haven't got experience with economics, or representatives with vested interest like CEO's and union leaders will result in more accurate value than employing people who have studied and have experience with economics?

Of course, The CEO's and Union leaders would come together and what they agree on would be not just a minimum wage but the market wage for unskilled labour. It would actually be much more accurate than somebody from outside the market place setting the rate as it would represent the equilibrium point between the supply of unskilled labour and the demand of unskilled labour.

Having thought about it I think Kam's idea is a good one.

[Great Nepal]

So you believe having people who haven't got experience with economics, or representatives with vested interest like CEO's and union leaders will result in more accurate value than employing people who have studied and have experience with economics?

The people who control economics surely don't have experience in it.

Of course they do, they also have vested interest. Its the same reason we dont let pharmacology companies set safety requirements before offering their product to general public but use independent body composed of people who know what they are doing and who ideally dont have vested interest.

Of course, The CEO's and Union leaders would come together and what they agree on would be not just a minimum wage but the market wage for unskilled labour. It would actually be much more accurate than somebody from outside the market place setting the rate as it would represent the equilibrium point between the supply of unskilled labour and the demand of unskilled labour.
Having thought about it I think Kam's idea is a good one.

1. And if the market rate is lower than living wage, tax payer would effectively be subsidising businesses by paying its workers money they need to survive. By ensuring its imposed upon by neural party, we ensure that it is fair to all stakeholders.
2. If that worked, surely they could just meet and discuss wage without minimum wage.