NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[Regnum Dominae]

Adults can make many mature, educated, and responsible decisions that children cannot.

With a lower alcohol price, many adults will feel that buying a drink is a mature decision.

So?

[New Zepuha]

Adults can make many mature, educated, and responsible decisions that children cannot.

With a lower alcohol price, many adults will feel that buying a drink is a mature decision.

Uh... it's their choice. So yeah, it is.

[People Who Say Ni]

And to excessive drunks price is not a deterrent.

Which is why we should scrap the bill and try to implement harm minimisation strategies and focus on rehabilitation.

[The Nihilistic view]

I request my bill to be put under HEALTH.

Noted. I will do it later when I start the PM vote.

[New Bierstaat]

Lord Alexander Boris De Pfeffel William Johnson
President Pro-Tempore of the Senate
Senate Building
1 Senate Circle
Leishaagen

Mr. President Pro-Tempore:

As the votes have officially been counted, I believe it's time to make my prime ministerial nomination. I nominate Reinhard Lohengramm for the position.


Tom Schmidt
President of Aurentina

[The Nihilistic view]

Thank you Tom.


We now await a reply.

[Panmerica]

just wondering, are cabinet nominations in the nationwide senate?
Or party thread.

[Potenco]

Opposed: it would open the floodgates to a binge drinking epidemic.

If an adult wants to drink, it's their choice and their choice only.

I think by focusing on the "freedom" side of this argument, were ignoring the fundamental reality that allowing low prices on alcoholic beverages allows companies to further target the poor. Alcoholism is already a problem primarily for lower class people and this would make taking up drinking easier for the lower classes.

Drinking is a lovely thing, alcoholism is one of the worst of social ills and while we cant control people's behavior, we can make it much more difficult to become an alcoholic.

[New Bierstaat]

If an adult wants to drink, it's their choice and their choice only.

I think by focusing on the "freedom" side of this argument, were ignoring the fundamental reality that allowing low prices on alcoholic beverages allows companies to further target the poor. Alcoholism is already a problem primarily for lower class people and this would make taking up drinking easier for the lower classes.

Drinking is a lovely thing, alcoholism is one of the worst of social ills and while we cant control people's behavior, we can make it much more difficult to become an alcoholic.

The government should not be in the business of nannying people's personal choices through such manipulative acts as price fixing.

And yes, we should be focusing on the freedom side. It's the most important side. Personal morals are no business of the government unless the morals involve a decision made by one person that directly infringes upon the rights of another.

[Panmerica]

I think by focusing on the "freedom" side of this argument, were ignoring the fundamental reality that allowing low prices on alcoholic beverages allows companies to further target the poor. Alcoholism is already a problem primarily for lower class people and this would make taking up drinking easier for the lower classes.

Drinking is a lovely thing, alcoholism is one of the worst of social ills and while we cant control people's behavior, we can make it much more difficult to become an alcoholic.

The government should not be in the business of nannying people's personal choices through such manipulative acts as price fixing.

And yes, we should be focusing on the freedom side. It's the most important side. Personal morals are no business of the government unless the morals involve a decision made by one person that directly infringes upon the rights of another.

+1

[New Bierstaat]

Lord Alexander Boris De Pfeffel William Johnson
President Pro-Tempore of the Senate
Senate Building
1 Senate Circle
Leishaagen

Mr. President Pro-Tempore:

Senator Lohengramm has decline the nomination for PM. I am moving forward and making a new nomination. I select Senator Alexander S. Foley of the Classical Monarchists to be the new prime minister nominee.


Tom Schmidt
President of Aurentina

[Ainin]

[OOC: Who is that?]

[The Nihilistic view]

Ok we shall await his official acceptance.


I also officially dissolve the current government as the current PM has not been here to do it and the limit for doing such is almost upon us.

[Celritannia]

Your Excellency,

As much as I am thankful for the opportunity to be selected for the post of Prime Minister, I do not believe I have gained a high amount of experience to lead the government of the Commonwealth. I wish His Excellency, The President, to allow the Lord President of the Classical Monarchist Party to assume Premiership over the Commonwealth Government, his experience and leadership qualities far surpass my own, and would be the perfect candidate to lead the Government. I further ask to assume his role as Minister of the Environment, to ensure no positions are left unfilled in the Government.

I hope this confusion of government leadership does not strain Your Excellency's post of President.

I remain the loyal servant of the Commonwealth,

Senator, Alexander S. Foley
Chairman of the CMP.

[New Bierstaat]

Lord Alexander Boris De Pfeffel William Johnson
President Pro-Tempore of the Senate
Senate Building
1 Senate Circle
Leishaagen

Mr. President Pro-Tempore:

Again I will make a new prime ministerial nomination. Graf von Tyrannian of the Classical Monarchists will be my nominee.


Tom Schmidt
President of Aurentina

[The Nihilistic view]

Well hopefully this one is the final one needed.

Also Now hopefully the election is behind us for now, i'm not waiting any longer for this PM stuff to be sorted. So I will be opening voting on the following bills in 5-6 hours, whilst the official debate time is up I think it important to allow time for people to have a last look at the bills due to the election splitting the debate and the vote. So if anybody has any last words, problems or possible amendments on the bills, you have a bit of time to re-familiarise yourselves with the bills and make closing arguments.



- Duty to Retreat Act
- Court Transparency Act
- Prevention of Youth Castration Act
- Crimes against Humanity Act
- On the Fair Admission of Justice
- Good Samaritan Law
- First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act
- First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act

[Old Tyrannia]

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Lord Alexander Boris De Pfeffel William Johnson
President Pro-Tempore of the Senate
Senate Building
1 Senate Circle
Leishaagen

Mr. President Pro-Tempore:

Again I will make a new prime ministerial nomination. Graf von Tyrannian of the Classical Monarchists will be my nominee.

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Tom Schmidt
President of Aurentina

Thank you, Your Excellency.

It is my honour and my solemn duty to accept the office of Prime Minister as one able to do so, in my judgement; a judgement that shall now be subject to the critique of all Aurentina. Let us not fool ourselves; this is not a safe, happy country. It is a young nation born less than a year ago, albeit the reincarnation of a far older entity. These isles have seen the rise and fall of the First, Second and Third Romes; the industrial revolution; the turmoil of two world wars, and the horror of the Cold War with its looming threat of nuclear annihilation. Today we face the challenges of building a new modern nation-state, of coping with a surge in organized crime and terrorism, and of responding to worldwide economic uncertainty. The burden of carrying torch passed down through generations of Aurentines is all the heavier for the knowledge that so many before have carried it. If we fail, we fail both our ancestors and our descendants. I feel this burden more than most, for my ancestors were more glorious than most; I come before the Senate today not as the inheritor of their glory, but only of their blood and their titles. It is for me, and me alone, to earn the right to carry the legacy I was born to as the 12th Count von Tyrannien. It is likewise the duty of every Aurentine to prove their worthiness to enjoy the quality of life they were born to, a quality of we all owe our parents and grandparents and great-grandparents who struggled to secure it for us, by in turn securing the futures of our own children.

To serve in our government is to serve on the front lines of a struggle to win a safe and secure future for our sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, grandsons and granddaughters. Some politicians have forgotten that. I strive not to, and to wear my rank in government as a chain, not a sash; as James IV of Scotland wore every year for Lent in penance for the part played in his father's regicide. We all owe it to those who raised us to honour them, just as we all owe it to those who we bring into this world to make it a pleasant one for them to live in. We are fighting for this cause against the forces of organized crime, terrorism, environmental damage, debt and poverty; and as Prime Minister, I swear to God Almighty that I shall lead the fight to curb and punish organized crime, end terrorism at home and abroad, protect and restore the beauty of our environment, eliminate debt and banish poverty from Aurentina. For God, Queen and Country, for my parents and my daughter, and for yours.

I thus present myself to the Senate, a humble servant of an absent Crown, and your Prime Minister if you'll have me.
- Senator Otto Karl Ludwig von Tyrannien, 12th Graf von Tyrannien, Lord President of the Classical Monarchist Party

[Panmerica]

Well hopefully this one is the final one needed.

Also Now hopefully the election is behind us for now, i'm not waiting any longer for this PM stuff to be sorted. So I will be opening voting on the following bills in 5-6 hours, whilst the official debate time is up I think it important to allow time for people to have a last look at the bills due to the election splitting the debate and the vote. So if anybody has any last words, problems or possible amendments on the bills, you have a bit of time to re-familiarise yourselves with the bills and make closing arguments.



- Duty to Retreat Act
- Court Transparency Act
- Prevention of Youth Castration Act
- Crimes against Humanity Act
- On the Fair Admission of Justice
- Good Samaritan Law
- First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act
- First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act

May I ask, when will the repeal on alcohol be put up?

[Resora]

Alright, it's time for the cantankerous leftist review of pending bills. Oh yeah.

Two questions about the Court Transparency Act.

The Judge may approve the appeal on the following grounds:
(a) National Security could be threatened by the recording of the case
(b) There is no significant public interest in the recording of the case

Does the court case have to meet either of these criteria, or both? As frankly, I'd be rather concerned if a case can go unrecorded simply because of some nebulous "national security" concerns, even (especially) if there is a significant public interest in the recording of the case.

Second,

The Judge shall explain his reasoning for the approval or rejection of an appeal before starting the trial, which shall be made public following the end of the court session.

Are judges elected officials in Aurentina? Because if not, this doesn't mean anything. The judge's reasoning could be "I just had a feeling revealing this would threaten national security" - it would not be possible for anybody within the court to appeal his decision as it's the judges' decision and his alone, and once it goes public after the case is over, it's too late. People might not like the judge, but if he's not elected, what does that matter? And even if he is elected, that's slim protection.

Wouldn't recommend supporting this bill. A revised version that a) clarifies the terms for appeal approval to remove ambiguity, and b) creates an actual system of accountability for judges is needed. An example of b, off the top of my head, is to record all cases, but to seal the recordings if a successful appeal to seal is made, and to create a mechanism that allows the public to appeal a sealing to a higher authority after the judge's reasoning for sealing the case is made public, potentially allowing the unsealing of a recording if the judge's reasoning is found to be flawed.

As it stands, this makes courts anything but transparent.

I also have some concerns about the amendment to the Intelligencery act, but they would be better addressed via further legislation.

[Skeckoa]

May I ask, when will the repeal on alcohol be put up?

When we get to voting on the HEALTH section of the queue. Don't hold your breath, it usually takes a few months to go through a complete cycle.

[The Nihilistic view]

May I ask, when will the repeal on alcohol be put up?

When we get to voting on the HEALTH section of the queue. Don't hold your breath, it usually takes a few months to go through a complete cycle.

And we just done health.

[Haelunor]

I for one accept Morgan Freeman as our new overlord.

[The Nihilistic view]

I for one accept Morgan Freeman as our new overlord.

Come now, let's not start a spam fest.

[New Bierstaat]

I for one accept Morgan Freeman as our new overlord.

Come now, let's not start a spam fest.

Yeah, this isn't Hawaii.

[The Nihilistic view]

- Duty to Retreat Act
- Court Transparency Act
- Prevention of Youth Castration Act
- Crimes against Humanity Act
- On the Fair Admission of Justice
- Good Samaritan Law
- First Amendment to the National Intelligencery Establishment Act
- First Amendment to the Bestiality (Zoophilia) Act

I believe that has given all a final chance to make any closing arguments. Voting on the bills above will begin at 3pm and last exactly 48 hours.


The PM confirmation vote will begin in a few hours time in it's own thread as before.