The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless NSG-kind

[Costa Fiero]

Living each day like it is your last is a good thing, because if you do it for a significant period of time, it will be.

My granddad did that. Pickled his liver in the process.

[Dyakovo]

Oh... My bad...
Too late now...
*'drives' off in a shiny new lava scorpion*

I assume the lava scorpions would be large, so I guess you could ride one. Don't know what you would do when it starts molting.

Get a replacement of course...

They are covered by a warranty right?

[Wazkyraque]

No one who's died has come back to tell us about it.

Yes, people have, Vlad for example

[Nationstatelandsville]

The only viewpoint that makes logical sense is atheism.

But, prove me wrong. You can't. Therefore, the default is right.

Talk about gnostic atheist.

I'm perfectly willing to change my beliefs is proven wrong. But they haven't been.

I can't say if they can be, but I see no reason why one should allow religion to go through a debate unquestioned. It's like saying to someone that believes we're all surrounded by magical invisible, intangible fairies. It's unfalsifiable, yes, but horribly illogical.

The only viewpoint that makes logical sense is atheism.

But, prove me wrong. You can't. Therefore, the default is right.

Based on your logic, since you can't prove me wrong, I'm right. It all depends on what the default is. What is the default? It depends on what you say it is or what I say it is. You've proved nothing.

The default is atheism. Were you not taught your God?

No, I've proved nothing, because I don't need to prove anything. You do. My position is that the world simply is as it is. Yours is that there is something more. It needs to be proved that there is this something more, no?

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

[Typhlochactas]

I assume the lava scorpions would be large, so I guess you could ride one. Don't know what you would do when it starts molting.

Get a replacement of course...

They are covered by a warranty right?

I'm afraid not.

[Dyakovo]

The only viewpoint that makes logical sense is atheism.

But, prove me wrong. You can't. Therefore, the default is right.

Based on your logic, since you can't prove me wrong, I'm right. It all depends on what the default is. What is the default? It depends on what you say it is or what I say it is. You've proved nothing.

The default would be the one that doesn't require an extraordinary claim.

[Typhlochactas]

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

I would accept if they had scorpions there. Otherwise, as a great philosopher once said, ''fuck that''.

[Monlyth]

Talk about gnostic atheist.

I'm perfectly willing to change my beliefs is proven wrong. But they haven't been.

I can't say if they can be, but I see no reason why one should allow religion to go through a debate unquestioned. It's like saying to someone that believes we're all surrounded by magical invisible, intangible fairies. It's unfalsifiable, yes, but horribly illogical.

Based on your logic, since you can't prove me wrong, I'm right. It all depends on what the default is. What is the default? It depends on what you say it is or what I say it is. You've proved nothing.

The default is atheism. Were you not taught your God?

No, I've proved nothing, because I don't need to prove anything. You do. My position is that the world simply is as it is. Yours is that there is something more. It needs to be proved that there is this something more, no?

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

I always thought agnosticism was the default, considering you're unable to made a decision whether God(s) exist or not until you're more developed.

[Alexlantis]

No one who's died has come back to tell us about it.

Yes, people have, Vlad for example

Perhaps I should rephrase that. No one who's died and left for the afterlife or the great nothingness or whatever has come back to talk about it.

People who have been temporarily dead and resuscitated have seen a bright light, which could mean any number of things. No one has been dead to the point where they can tell us there's nothing or that there's something and then came back to tell us about it.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I'm perfectly willing to change my beliefs is proven wrong. But they haven't been.

I can't say if they can be, but I see no reason why one should allow religion to go through a debate unquestioned. It's like saying to someone that believes we're all surrounded by magical invisible, intangible fairies. It's unfalsifiable, yes, but horribly illogical.



The default is atheism. Were you not taught your God?

No, I've proved nothing, because I don't need to prove anything. You do. My position is that the world simply is as it is. Yours is that there is something more. It needs to be proved that there is this something more, no?

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

I always thought agnosticism was the default, considering you're unable to made a decision whether God(s) exist or not until you're more developed.

No. Atheism is, as you need to be introduced to the philosophical concept of a God, yeah? You aren't born undecided. You're born not even knowing there was even that idea.

[Dyakovo]

Get a replacement of course...

They are covered by a warranty right?

I'm afraid not.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Yes, people have, Vlad for example

Perhaps I should rephrase that. No one who's died and left for the afterlife or the great nothingness or whatever has come back to talk about it.

People who have been temporarily dead and resuscitated have seen a bright light, which could mean any number of things. No one has been dead to the point where they can tell us there's nothing or that there's something and then came back to tell us about it.

I believe, and I could be wrong, that it is theorized that is a form of sleep kicking in for a little bit.

But, the fact they can come back and tell you about this light clearly means their brain was still partially alive.

[Typhlochactas]

I'm afraid not.

It will be fine, Dyakovo. There's plenty more at your local scorpion dealership.

[Yuktova]

Talk about gnostic atheist.

I'm perfectly willing to change my beliefs is proven wrong. But they haven't been.

I can't say if they can be, but I see no reason why one should allow religion to go through a debate unquestioned. It's like saying to someone that believes we're all surrounded by magical invisible, intangible fairies. It's unfalsifiable, yes, but horribly illogical.

Based on your logic, since you can't prove me wrong, I'm right. It all depends on what the default is. What is the default? It depends on what you say it is or what I say it is. You've proved nothing.

The default is atheism. Were you not taught your God?

No, I've proved nothing, because I don't need to prove anything. You do. My position is that the world simply is as it is. Yours is that there is something more. It needs to be proved that there is this something more, no?

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

Again, you're being rather illogical and a bit of an a-hole. How do you know? You don't. I'm an agnostic atheist, or, depending on the mood, I'm agnostic spiritual.

[Dyakovo]

It will be fine, Dyakovo. There's plenty more at your local scorpion dealership.

But, but, I might have to pay for the next one...

[Nationstatelandsville]

I'm perfectly willing to change my beliefs is proven wrong. But they haven't been.

I can't say if they can be, but I see no reason why one should allow religion to go through a debate unquestioned. It's like saying to someone that believes we're all surrounded by magical invisible, intangible fairies. It's unfalsifiable, yes, but horribly illogical.



The default is atheism. Were you not taught your God?

No, I've proved nothing, because I don't need to prove anything. You do. My position is that the world simply is as it is. Yours is that there is something more. It needs to be proved that there is this something more, no?

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

Again, you're being rather illogical. How do you know? You don't. I'm an agnostic atheist, or, depending on the mood, I'm agnostic spiritual.

I don't know. But I also don't know if there are invisible, intangible, undetectable fairies flying around me, now do I?

[Creative Vikings]

Sooooo, I get asked by a homophobe arguing with those who he fears if I thought homosexuality was a choice, and on the spot I said yes. Now according to a lot of people i too am a homophobe, purely because of my hurried response.

What I do believe is the compromise, both it being a born-with-it thing and a choice depending on the person.

[Alexlantis]

Based on your logic, since you can't prove me wrong, I'm right. It all depends on what the default is. What is the default? It depends on what you say it is or what I say it is. You've proved nothing.

The default is atheism. Were you not taught your God?

No, I've proved nothing, because I don't need to prove anything. You do. My position is that the world simply is as it is. Yours is that there is something more. It needs to be proved that there is this something more, no?

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

Yes, I was taught my God, but I always believed I had a soul. I can remember not knowing of a God, but I can't remember not knowing of a soul.

And were you not taught that because such a God was unlikely, that it didn't exist?

And if there is an afterlife, and God is the loving God that I believe exists, you could opt out of it if you so choose.
Give a shit, don't give a shit, whatever, but blindly rejecting others' views without thinking seems to reek of the same kind of mindset that causes fundamentalism.

[Typhlochactas]

It will be fine, Dyakovo. There's plenty more at your local scorpion dealership.

But, but, I might have to pay for the next one...

I heard that lava scorpions are free in North Korea. Then again, it may just be a trap.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Sooooo, I get asked by a homophobe arguing with those who he fears if I thought homosexuality was a choice, and on the spot I said yes. Now according to a lot of people i too am a homophobe, purely because of my hurried response.

What I do believe is the compromise, both it being a born-with-it thing and a choice depending on the person.

Unlikely. Few people would choose being despised.

But people tend to agree with the most sure-sounding and loudest person when they're pressured to answer a question they don't have time to think about. Not your fault.

[Dyakovo]

I always thought agnosticism was the default, considering you're unable to made a decision whether God(s) exist or not until you're more developed.

Agnosticism isn't a third position... There are only two possible answers to the question "Do you believe in a deity or deities?"
If the answer is "yes" then you are a theist.
If the answer is "no" then you are an atheist.

[Alexlantis]

I always thought agnosticism was the default, considering you're unable to made a decision whether God(s) exist or not until you're more developed.

No. Atheism is, as you need to be introduced to the philosophical concept of a God, yeah? You aren't born undecided. You're born not even knowing there was even that idea.

You're also born not knowing of an absence of a God. You have no opinion on the matter because you don't know what opinions there are. You know nothing about anything.

[Yuktova]

Sooooo, I get asked by a homophobe arguing with those who he fears if I thought homosexuality was a choice, and on the spot I said yes. Now according to a lot of people i too am a homophobe, purely because of my hurried response.

What I do believe is the compromise, both it being a born-with-it thing and a choice depending on the person.

I believe it's because of biological factors within the womb, partially genetic. It could be a choice for a small amount of people as well.

I, myself, did not choose. I tried heterosexual relationships before. It felt wrong, unnatural, and just all around unpleasant.

[Dyakovo]

No. Atheism is, as you need to be introduced to the philosophical concept of a God, yeah? You aren't born undecided. You're born not even knowing there was even that idea.

You're also born not knowing of an absence of a God. You have no opinion on the matter because you don't know what opinions there are. You know nothing about anything.

Points \/

I always thought agnosticism was the default, considering you're unable to made a decision whether God(s) exist or not until you're more developed.

Agnosticism isn't a third position... There are only two possible answers to the question "Do you believe in a deity or deities?"
If the answer is "yes" then you are a theist.
If the answer is "no" then you are an atheist.

It's not our fault that you don't know what atheism is...

[Nationstatelandsville]

The default is atheism. Were you not taught your God?

No, I've proved nothing, because I don't need to prove anything. You do. My position is that the world simply is as it is. Yours is that there is something more. It needs to be proved that there is this something more, no?

But, really, I don't give a shit what you think. If there is such a thing as an afterlife, I'd rather opt out of it.

Yes, I was taught my God, but I always believed I had a soul. I can remember not knowing of a God, but I can't remember not knowing of a soul.

And were you not taught that because such a God was unlikely, that it didn't exist?

And if there is an afterlife, and God is the loving God that I believe exists, you could opt out of it if you so choose.
Give a shit, don't give a shit, whatever, but blindly rejecting others' views without thinking seems to reek of the same kind of mindset that causes fundamentalism.

Eh. Souls are kind of silly, I think. I always thought that, even as a theist. Correlation?

No. I was taught to believe in God, sort of. Cultural osmosis and such. I just decided I didn't believe in one.

I'm merely arguing. Really. is that not the purpose of General? Christ.

I don't care. Ultimately, I don't. And why should I? If He exists, I already hate him, and would sooner fade to nothing than spend eternity with his "love". That won't change. So, it doesn't affect me at all.

I'm not dismissing them. I said that I'll believe you if you prove it. But you can't prove it, not at the moment and likely not ever. I'm pointing out that it's kind of stupid to hold onto that .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that you're right. There's still that slight chance, but expecting it is silly.

You jumped down my throat for going with the likely option. That's how this started.