NSG Senate (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[The Realm of God]

The President, under your system, once elected would not be removed by the Senate if they turned out to be a terrible leader, which is one of the only reasons we would want them gone. Under the Monarchy, we would only remove the monarch if they were a terrible leader and not for some arbitrary measure of time, which has no bearing on the actual abilities of a given leader

Then we don't elect a bad leader. What makes you think that the monarch could be just as worse? And besides, it can be changed. If that is the only opposition, then I will compromise with a bill of my own.

Now, when can we move this to the Coffee Shop again? I don't like seeing this thread being filled with unrelated topics.

Now, since the vote is over and the Senatorial Limitation Act was redrafted and resubmitted, it is now in debate.

Senatorial Limitation Act, Take II

Section 1: Definitions
Senator - an official member of the NSG Senate who has applied and has been approved
first-come, first-served basis - the first applicant who applies after a Senator's removal to be accepted shall take the place of said former Senator

Section 2: Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to promote stability and efficiency within the Senate and to prevent turmoil.

Section 3: Provisions
A. The number of official Senators shall not exceed two hundred (200).
B. If any Senator is unable to carry out his or her duties due to ejection from the Senate or any other reason provided by the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I, a new Senator shall take his/her place by first-come, first-served basis, provided the ejected Senator does not follow the procedure outlined in subsection C within fifteen (15) days of ejection.
C. Any Senator who has been ejected for the first time shall be given a period of fifteen (15) days to complete point i of the following, and he/she must then follow the remaining steps:
i. Re- apply for a Senatorial seat
ii. Be re- accepted into the NSG Senate
iii. Actively participate in Senate proceedings as defined the in the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I.
D. Any Senator who has been readmitted into the Senate via the steps outlined in section 3, subsection C, points i and ii but who does not follow point iii shall again face ejection, and should said Senator be again ejected, he/she is forever banned from re- applying to the NSG Senate.

You have got to be joking surely the matter of the Executive is much more important, than er......this.

[Bleckonia]

Then we don't elect a bad leader. What makes you think that the monarch could be just as worse? And besides, it can be changed. If that is the only opposition, then I will compromise with a bill of my own.

Now, when can we move this to the Coffee Shop again? I don't like seeing this thread being filled with unrelated topics.

Now, since the vote is over and the Senatorial Limitation Act was redrafted and resubmitted, it is now in debate.

Senatorial Limitation Act, Take II

Section 1: Definitions
Senator - an official member of the NSG Senate who has applied and has been approved
first-come, first-served basis - the first applicant who applies after a Senator's removal to be accepted shall take the place of said former Senator

Section 2: Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to promote stability and efficiency within the Senate and to prevent turmoil.

Section 3: Provisions
A. The number of official Senators shall not exceed two hundred (200).
B. If any Senator is unable to carry out his or her duties due to ejection from the Senate or any other reason provided by the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I, a new Senator shall take his/her place by first-come, first-served basis, provided the ejected Senator does not follow the procedure outlined in subsection C within fifteen (15) days of ejection.
C. Any Senator who has been ejected for the first time shall be given a period of fifteen (15) days to complete point i of the following, and he/she must then follow the remaining steps:
i. Re- apply for a Senatorial seat
ii. Be re- accepted into the NSG Senate
iii. Actively participate in Senate proceedings as defined the in the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I.
D. Any Senator who has been readmitted into the Senate via the steps outlined in section 3, subsection C, points i and ii but who does not follow point iii shall again face ejection, and should said Senator be again ejected, he/she is forever banned from re- applying to the NSG Senate.

You have got to be joking surely the matter of the Executive is much more important, than er......this.

Is there a bill submitted about the Executive yet?

[Silent Majority]

You have got to be joking surely the matter of the Executive is much more important, than er......this.

Is there a bill submitted about the Executive yet?

There are two...

[Trotskylvania]

You have got to be joking surely the matter of the Executive is much more important, than er......this.

Is there a bill submitted about the Executive yet?

We're debating them presently.

[Chestaan]

You have got to be joking surely the matter of the Executive is much more important, than er......this.

Is there a bill submitted about the Executive yet?

There are two which are competing with each other.

Anyway, if the debate is now on the pointless senatorial limitations act, I move that we suspend it and move back to the discussion on the monarchy/republic bills.

[Finium]

We don't have to wait until they die, we can remove them instantly, you have to wait til the end of their term. Additionally, we wish to hold our monarch to a higher standard than simply not breaking the rules, we want an excellent leader in every achievable way, not just someone who will stay in line

I call upon my fellow Senator to read the act in question before he presumes to speak with authority on it, lest he make another obvious blunder unbecoming of his position as a Senator:

viewtopic.php?p=14069098#p14069098

I refer you to Section I, Paragraph C: "The President may be removed by the Senate for official misconduct or disability by a vote of 2/3rds of the Senate."

We do not "have to wait til the end of their term". You, on the other hand, can only hope to remove a bad monarch if you can manage to have 2/3rds of the Senate Agree. A monarch with support of 1/3 + 1 of the Senate can continue to rule until death, no matter how terrible.

Official misconduct, as defined "the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties."
and disability as "A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities."

Neither of these things make a leader great, it just means that they aren't bad, I think that this nation deserves more than a man who just doesn't break the law

[Great Nepal]

Because monarchy is more than head of state, it is a symbol. It is something everyone can celebrate, including royal coronation and royal marriage.
We are going to have same thing if we go with your proposal and install president except we wont have much to celebrate.

Less waste of money. And no, our monarch will draw in few, if any tourists, because we have no tradition of a monarchy.

I never claimed it would draw tourists, I believe our state alone is capable of doing so. However, it is not waste of money since nation must have celebration to improve moral. Not to mention, we will be spending that money on presidential elections anyway.

We wouldn't be republicans if we didn't stand for a republican form of government. Also,I seem to remember the proposal being altered to please certain members of the progressive-conservatives.

However, they could have attempted to meet monarchists in middle with president being renamed monarch. Their inability to do so means, i can not support their bill.

Us politicians don't need to be basked in glory

Its for celebrations.

[The Realm of God]

Is there a bill submitted about the Executive yet?

There are two which are competing with each other.

Anyway, if the debate is now on the pointless senatorial limitations act, I move that we suspend it and move back to the discussion on the monarchy/republic bills.

I support this motion.

[Polvia]

Is there a bill submitted about the Executive yet?

There are two which are competing with each other.

Anyway, if the debate is now on the pointless senatorial limitations act, I move that we suspend it and move back to the discussion on the monarchy/republic bills.

I second this motion.

[Chestaan]

There are two which are competing with each other.

Anyway, if the debate is now on the pointless senatorial limitations act, I move that we suspend it and move back to the discussion on the monarchy/republic bills.

I second this motion.

I need two more, anyone willing?

[Finium]

There are two which are competing with each other.

Anyway, if the debate is now on the pointless senatorial limitations act, I move that we suspend it and move back to the discussion on the monarchy/republic bills.

I second this motion.

third

[Trotskylvania]

However, they could have attempted to meet monarchists in middle with president being renamed monarch. Their inability to do so means, i can not support their bill.

In this case, compromise means giving you everything that you want.

We never asked any concessions from you. Not a single one. We are republicans, and we support a republic, and have organized as such. The compromises you have made have been to appease fellow monarchists. Your argument is nothing more than a childish temper tantrum, and is unbecoming of a Senator.

[Finium]

However, they could have attempted to meet monarchists in middle with president being renamed monarch. Their inability to do so means, i can not support their bill.

In this case, compromise means giving you everything that you want.

We never asked any concessions from you. Not a single one. We are republicans, and we support a republic, and have organized as such. The compromises you have made have been to appease fellow monarchists. Your argument is nothing more than a childish temper tantrum, and is unbecoming of a Senator.

If we made concessions to please other monarchists, then our bill would have the king/queen vastly more empowered rather than limited as he/she is

[The Realm of God]

However, they could have attempted to meet monarchists in middle with president being renamed monarch. Their inability to do so means, i can not support their bill.

In this case, compromise means giving you everything that you want.

We never asked any concessions from you. Not a single one. We are republicans, and we support a republic, and have organized as such. The compromises you have made have been to appease fellow monarchists. Your argument is nothing more than a childish temper tantrum, and is unbecoming of a Senator.

Now if Senator Trotsky would kindly vote to Suspend the Limitation Act?

[Maklohi Vai]

I second this motion.

third

Fourthed

[Aeken]

May this be a reminder: only administrators can submit bills into the Chamber. Any one of them must be telegramed to post the bill. Old Tyrannia and Trotskylvania have violated Denecaep's ruling about submitting bills.

PROPOSAL I
CONSTITUTION OF THE NEW SENATE

Urgency: High

RECOGNIZING that this is the first proposal and that this proposal will shape the future of the NS senate,

DEFINING the powers of the Senate and its senators to be as follows;
The ability to draft legislation such as this,
The ability to vote on drafted legislation on the floor to be put up to vote,
The ability to repeal passed legislation,
The ability to vote on how many seats are available in the senate,
The ability to start a political party,
The ability to vote to remove drafted legislation from the floor,
The ability for the party with the majority to elect a President of the Senate, who selects a Vice President of the senate,
The ability for the party with the majority to make up an opposition,
which, in turn, gives the opposition the ability to select an opposition leader and second officer.

SETTING the required number of votes to put legislation on the floor to be put up to vote be at least 5 and setting a majority of 50%+1 of those who have voted "FOR" on legislation,

REALIZING the confusion that would be caused by multiple bills to be voted at a time, thusly LIMITING the number of bills up to vote to 1; bills that have reached the 5 approvals necessary will be next in chronological order of which bills reached minimum approvals first,

ALSO SETTING the conduct of senators to allow silliness as any F7 thread should go but requiring all senators use common sense and comply with site rules, at penalty of being kicked from the senate by a 90% majority of senators present voting "FOR" and being at the mercy of the Modly Powers,

RECOGNIZES that Senators of the NSG Senate may at some point no longer have interest in participating in the NSG Senate, or are simply idle,

CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staffers to remove idle Senators after said Senators have gone through a period of 15 days where said Senator made no constructive posts in any of the NSG Senate threads,

ALSO CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staff to send Senators who are within 3 days of being removed because of their idleness a notice via telegram to notify them of their imminent removal

BUT gives the chance for a senator to explain a disappearance of up to 60 days before the disappearance,

ASKING that the proposal, should it pass, serve as a template for future proposals to formatted exactly like this one,

REALIZING that the Constitution may at some times be able to be amended, so therefore allows amendments to pass, under the following conditions:

Amendments may happen to this document, if a majority (set by an amendment editing what defines a majority) of Senators present believe that this document should be amended, and it shall become the new version of the Constitution.

RULING that to protect from a single party voting in the middle of the night to pass a bill that suits their best interests, 12 hours will have to have elapsed after 75% of ALL senators have voted, before a bill is passed/shot down.

SETTING FURTHER: the following as the template for voting:
[insert box code]

VOTING: PROPOSAL <insert Roman numeral>
FOR: <nation(s)> AGAINST: <nation(s)>

[/insert box code]

HEREBY DRAFTING PROPOSAL I.
Revised. 2
This proposal is under Voting Stage.

Sorry, I've tried clarifying this in a telegram to you and in the other thread, but maybe I haven't been clear. The procedure for legislation is to send the final draft to me via telegram - then I will post it, then we will begin debate (not voting.)

Because I am forgiving, I will allow the Executive Bill to continue debate.

Then we don't elect a bad leader. What makes you think that the monarch could be just as worse? And besides, it can be changed. If that is the only opposition, then I will compromise with a bill of my own.

Now, when can we move this to the Coffee Shop again? I don't like seeing this thread being filled with unrelated topics.

Now, since the vote is over and the Senatorial Limitation Act was redrafted and resubmitted, it is now in debate.

Senatorial Limitation Act, Take II

Section 1: Definitions
Senator - an official member of the NSG Senate who has applied and has been approved
first-come, first-served basis - the first applicant who applies after a Senator's removal to be accepted shall take the place of said former Senator

Section 2: Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to promote stability and efficiency within the Senate and to prevent turmoil.

Section 3: Provisions
A. The number of official Senators shall not exceed two hundred (200).
B. If any Senator is unable to carry out his or her duties due to ejection from the Senate or any other reason provided by the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I, a new Senator shall take his/her place by first-come, first-served basis, provided the ejected Senator does not follow the procedure outlined in subsection C within fifteen (15) days of ejection.
C. Any Senator who has been ejected for the first time shall be given a period of fifteen (15) days to complete point i of the following, and he/she must then follow the remaining steps:
i. Re- apply for a Senatorial seat
ii. Be re- accepted into the NSG Senate
iii. Actively participate in Senate proceedings as defined the in the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I.
D. Any Senator who has been readmitted into the Senate via the steps outlined in section 3, subsection C, points i and ii but who does not follow point iii shall again face ejection, and should said Senator be again ejected, he/she is forever banned from re- applying to the NSG Senate.

You are out of order.

You violated Denecaep's ruling, along with Old Tyrannia. I am not out of order.

Resume debate.

[Trotskylvania]

In this case, compromise means giving you everything that you want.

We never asked any concessions from you. Not a single one. We are republicans, and we support a republic, and have organized as such. The compromises you have made have been to appease fellow monarchists. Your argument is nothing more than a childish temper tantrum, and is unbecoming of a Senator.

If we made concessions to please other monarchists, then our bill would have the king/queen vastly more empowered rather than limited as he/she is

No, quite a few of the people supporting your resolution wanted a constitutional monarchy that would be essentially powerless.

[Chestaan]

May this be a reminder: only administrators can submit bills into the Chamber. Any one of them must be telegramed to post the bill. Old Tyrannia and Trotskylvania have violated Denecaep's ruling about submitting bills.

Sorry, I've tried clarifying this in a telegram to you and in the other thread, but maybe I haven't been clear. The procedure for legislation is to send the final draft to me via telegram - then I will post it, then we will begin debate (not voting.)

Because I am forgiving, I will allow the Executive Bill to continue debate.

You are out of order.

You violated Denecaep's ruling, along with Old Tyrannia. I am not out of order.

Resume debate.

He changed that rule yesterday because he was so bogged down. I'll try to find the quote.

[Trotskylvania]

May this be a reminder: only administrators can submit bills into the Chamber. Any one of them must be telegramed to post the bill. Old Tyrannia and Trotskylvania have violated Denecaep's ruling about submitting bills.

You need to pay attention, because Denecaep rescinded this ruling quite publicly, because TGs were overflowing.

[Chestaan]

May this be a reminder: only administrators can submit bills into the Chamber. Any one of them must be telegramed to post the bill. Old Tyrannia and Trotskylvania have violated Denecaep's ruling about submitting bills.

You need to pay attention, because Denecaep rescinded this ruling quite publicly, because TGs were overflowing.

And here's his post:

ADMINISTRATOR - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Due to overflow of my telegram system due to keeping legislation there, legislation no longer has to be telegrammed to be official. Instead, all someone has to do is suggest that it be put up for debate after voting is complete on the previous legislation, and then if it is "fifthed," then it will be officially up for debate. This also helps by making it to where my inactivity will not harm the process. Thanks guys, you're all who make this the awesome thing it is!

Now back to the debate at hand.

[Finium]

If we made concessions to please other monarchists, then our bill would have the king/queen vastly more empowered rather than limited as he/she is

No, quite a few of the people supporting your resolution wanted a constitutional monarchy that would be essentially powerless.

If they didn't support the bill originally, then they weren't monarchists originally, which means that they became monarchists because of our compromise

[Vazdania]

The Acts which were on the Docket first, should be the first debated.

If I recall correctly. The 2 executive acts were given Queue numbers 1 and 2...after the merge vote...they should come to the floor first...therefore we shall hear arguments and votes for the two executive bills.

[Geilinor]

45.00% of income earned between 1,001,000.00 and 2,000,999.99 NSC shall be levied

What if you make more than 2,000,000.99 NSC? I propose an amendment that reads:

"45.00% of income earned above 1,001,00.00 NSC shall be levied."

Which should be voted on later on.

I thought I fixed that error.

[Imperiatom]

What if you make more than 2,000,000.99 NSC? I propose an amendment that reads:

"45.00% of income earned above 1,001,00.00 NSC shall be levied."

Which should be voted on later on.

I thought I fixed that error.

Yeah you did. I think he is quite a bit behind the debate.

[Bleckonia]

I will vote for the Monarchist bill IF the red clauses are struck out:

Bill for the Establishment of a National Head of State

When, in the course of national events, it becomes necessary to establish an executive officer to act in the stead of the people as the representative of their interests in foreign realms, to act as their protector and to enact the policies of their duly elected representatives, this body has seen fit to establish the title of His or Her Majesty the King or Queen, and invest in this person the sovereignty of our state, as the living embodiment of the nation and first servant of its people.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to provide for the calling forth of the armed forces and will be entrusted with all the powers of the commander in chief of the armed forces.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to veto any act of the Senate not achieving a two-thirds majority, which shall then be reviewed by the Senate.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to act in behalf of the people in foreign realms and to receive and treat with foreign envoys.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to appoint envoys to foreign realms and organizations with the approval of the senate.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to enforce actions of the senate with appropriate force.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to abdicate at such a time that he finds himself unable to carry out his duties.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to select a designated heir, who shall be allowed to use the title of Crown Prince or Princess, and shall be formally adopted by the reigning sovereign so that the next monarch is in theory the son or daughter of the preceding monarch.

The Sovereign shall be styled as "His/Her Majesty" and addressed as "Your Majesty", and henceforth as "Sire/Highness", and his designated heir should be styled "His/Her Highness", and addressed as "Your Highness", and henceforth as "Sir/Madame".

Upon the death of the Sovereign, His or Her Majesty's successor must be elected by a plurality of the fully convened Senate.

By convention, the Senate shall elect as monarch the previous monarch's designated heir and adoptive son/daughter, however each Party may if it wishes nominate an alternative candidate and the Senate may choose to elect an alternative candidate and thus establish a new royal house and dynasty if it believes the designated heir to the throne is unsuitable.

Following the presentation of the candidates, the Senate shall recess for a proper period to consider the candidates at the end of which, each senator will be given the opportunity to cast his or her vote in favour of any of the candidates.

The Senate reserves the right to proclaim a ruling monarch unfit to rule and therefore force his or her immediate and involuntary abdication and begin a new election for the next monarch. Such a motion requires a majority of two thirds or more in the Senate.