Congresswoman Gabby Giffords Shot in Head

[Grave_n_idle]

People are going to murder so why even bother passing laws against it right?

Or regulate were people can carry them (which is possible) instead of regulating the process of getting them because like I said if someone wants to murder someone with a gun their going to get a gun. Also if you regulate the ability to get a gun then you are possibly putting people in harms way being that they cannot defend against a intruder/robber/mugger/etc with a gun

The 'harms way' argument isn't likely to be your friend, here...

[Norstal]

How do regulations on dangerous person's buying guns keep people who just want to protect themselves from buying guns?

Who decides on if someone is dangerous? How do you decide that?

A felony on their rap-sheet? This is just one example.

[United Dependencies]

How do regulations on dangerous person's buying guns keep people who just want to protect themselves from buying guns?

Who decides on if someone is dangerous? How do you decide that?

Backround checks, classes on gun ownership and proper care of guns as well as all the laws that deal with when and where guns can be used. Maybe even a statement from a doctor or some such thing saying that this person is stable enough to recognize when the right time to use a gun is and when it is not the right time.

[Mercator Terra]

Who decides on if someone is dangerous? How do you decide that?

Backround checks, classes on gun ownership and proper care of guns as well as all the laws that deal with when and where guns can be used. Maybe even a statement from a doctor or some such thing saying that this person is stable enough to recognize when the right time to use a gun is and when it is not the right time.

What do you mean by background check? Im arguing what is in bold. And what is underlined will only be subjective preferences.
EDIT: I dont think you need a doctor to do the educating. A gun safety expert can educate them on when and where using a gun is applicable.

[Mercator Terra]

Who decides on if someone is dangerous? How do you decide that?

A felony on their rap-sheet? This is just one example.

What kind of felony?

[New Kereptica]

What kind of felony?

Felonious felonies.

[United Dependencies]

Backround checks, classes on gun ownership and proper care of guns as well as all the laws that deal with when and where guns can be used. Maybe even a statement from a doctor or some such thing saying that this person is stable enough to recognize when the right time to use a gun is and when it is not the right time.

What do you mean by background check? Im arguing what is in bold. And what is underlined will only be subjective preferences.

As in a check to see if this person has committed any crimes or is wanted for something.

As for the classes I'm not really sure what you are arguing.

How so?

[Greed and Death]

What do you mean by background check? Im arguing what is in bold. And what is underlined will only be subjective preferences.

As in a check to see if this person has committed any crimes or is wanted for something.

As for the classes I'm not really sure what you are arguing.

How so?

They already do back ground checks.

[Norstal]

A felony on their rap-sheet? This is just one example.

What kind of felony?

All of them? I'm not one who's comfortable to have felons with a prior history to have guns.

[Mercator Terra]

What do you mean by background check? Im arguing what is in bold. And what is underlined will only be subjective preferences.

As in a check to see if this person has committed any crimes or is wanted for something.

As for the classes I'm not really sure what you are arguing.

How so?

What kind of crimes?

Classes can be held publicly or privately by gun experts im for that.

How do you decide what is a mental illness? Mental illness is a myth.its judged by what is precieved to be good for society.There is really only differnet psychological profiles and states. Some which most people find more to their liking then others.Thats why homosexuality was at one time treated as a psychiatric issue. (This is based off of what i have read and personal accounts of friends) If their was a way to objectively identify who is what kind of "crazy" I would agree with you.

[Mercator Terra]

What kind of felony?

All of them? I'm not one who's comfortable to have felons with a prior history to have guns.

You already cant acquire a gun with a felony.

[United Dependencies]

As in a check to see if this person has committed any crimes or is wanted for something.

As for the classes I'm not really sure what you are arguing.

How so?

They already do back ground checks.

I know, I'm just trying to be clean with Mecator Terra about what I stand for.

[United Dependencies]

As in a check to see if this person has committed any crimes or is wanted for something.

As for the classes I'm not really sure what you are arguing.

How so?

What kind of crimes?

Classes can be held publicly or privately by gun experts im for that.

How do you decide what is a mental illness? Mental illness is a myth.its judged by what is precieved to be good for society.There is really only differnet psychological profiles and states. Some which most people find more to their liking then others.Thats why homosexuality was at one time treated as a psychiatric issue. (This is based off of what i have read and personal accounts of friends) If their was a way to objectively identify who is what kind of "crazy" I would agree with you.

Felonies mostly.

Yes they can be. And anyone who wishes to own a gun should have to attend one.

I believe that psychologist will define what is a mental illness.

[Mercator Terra]

What kind of crimes?

Classes can be held publicly or privately by gun experts im for that.

How do you decide what is a mental illness? Mental illness is a myth.its judged by what is precieved to be good for society.There is really only differnet psychological profiles and states. Some which most people find more to their liking then others.Thats why homosexuality was at one time treated as a psychiatric issue. (This is based off of what i have read and personal accounts of friends) If their was a way to objectively identify who is what kind of "crazy" I would agree with you.

Felonies mostly.

Yes they can be. And anyone who wishes to own a gun should have to attend one.

I believe that psychologist will define what is a mental illness.

You cant acquire a gun in the United States with a felony.

I would say have to but it should be highly suggested. If you want to own certain guns though (automatics for example) you should have to go to a course. I believe this should all be done at the most local level possible btw.

And (insert what I said in last post about this subject here)

[Dyakovo]

How do you decide what is a mental illness?

I don't, I'm not qualified.

Mental illness is a myth.

No, actually it isn't.

Its judged by what is percieved to be good for society.

Again, no it is not. All you're doing is displaying your ignorance of psychology.

[Occupied Deutschland]

How do you decide what is a mental illness?

I don't, I'm not qualified.

Mental illness is a myth.

No, actually it isn't.

Its judged by what is percieved to be good for society.

Again, no it is not. All you're doing is displaying your ignorance of psychology.

To be fair, psychology is a myth! isn't based entirely in empirical evidence and science.

[Mercator Terra]

How do you decide what is a mental illness?

I don't, I'm not qualified.

Mental illness is a myth.

No, actually it isn't.

Its judged by what is percieved to be good for society.

Again, no it is not. All you're doing is displaying your ignorance of psychology.

If your not qualified then how can you answer to this. At least I am on some level. There are different schools of though in psychology and your source only is one of them. There is no objective answer.

[Altimaea]

First off, banning arms from public property won't do shit. If someone has intention to shoot someone they are gonna bring it anyways. Second, I'm what ignorant liberals like to call, a "gun nut". However I think there could be improvements to the process of purchasing one. It should not be made more difficult, but smarter. I think a system similar school sports should be used. Just like you need a physical to participate in the sport, you would need a notorized mental health exam which must be presented to the dealer and approved. Said exam must be no older than 5 years. It would not have to be refreshed to keep your guns but must be re examinated if another firearm purchase is desired. Other than that I think the prohibition of bringing CCWs into places like restruants should be removed. My $.02

[Norstal]

All of them? I'm not one who's comfortable to have felons with a prior history to have guns.

You already cant acquire a gun with a felony.

And its harder for them to get a gun. Plus more expensive since the black market guns are more expensive.

Let's just try to apply your laws for a moment. Say we do allow just about anyone to have guns. This, of course, does not mean everyone has a gun in this gathering. It just means that its likely for more people to have guns. Then, there's a psychological pitfall:

1.) Some will think: Why the hell would I bring a gun to a public gathering?
2.) Others: This is a really good opportunity to bring a gun, maybe I can kill her since she doesn't have a security detail.

Loughner goes to this gathering, irregardless of the laws. The law allows guns to be sold, why not ballistic vests? It'd be illogical not to be able to sell ballistic vests.

So he did shoot some people. Since its a crowd, its hard to tell who's shooting. The only way to subdue the suspect is to take the gun away from him, not to shoot him. Keep in mind, this happens in a crowd; pulling out your own gun wouldn't be smart. No one would know who shot first, starting a domino effect.

Thus, why I can't see allowing guns to be sold freely would help prevent the number of casualty in this topic.

[Dyakovo]

If your not qualified then how can you answer to this.

Not qualified to judge whether something is actually a mental illness means I am not a psychologist. I did, however, take every available psychology course while I was in college.

At least I am on some level.

[Mercator Terra]

You already cant acquire a gun with a felony.

And its harder for them to get a gun. Plus more expensive since the black market guns are more expensive.

Let's just try to apply your laws for a moment. Say we do allow just about anyone to have guns. This, of course, does not mean everyone has a gun in this gathering. It just means that its likely for more people to have guns. Then, there's a psychological pitfall:

1.) Some will think: Why the hell would I bring a gun to a public gathering?
2.) Others: This is a really good opportunity to bring a gun, maybe I can kill her since she doesn't have a security detail.

Loughner goes to this gathering, irregardless of the laws. The law allows guns to be sold, why not ballistic vests? It'd be illogical not to be able to sell ballistic vests.

So he did shoot some people. Since its a crowd, its hard to tell who's shooting. The only way to subdue the suspect is to take the gun away from him, not to shoot him. Keep in mind, this happens in a crowd; pulling out your own gun wouldn't be smart. No one would know who shot first, starting a domino effect.

Thus, why I can't see allowing guns to be sold freely would help prevent the number of casualty in this topic.

Once again like I said im for banning weapons from public property (to a extent).

[New Kereptica]

If your not qualified then how can you answer to this. At least I am on some level. There are different schools of though in psychology and your source only is one of them. There is no objective answer.

Of course there is an objective answer.

[Mediterreania]

You already cant acquire a gun with a felony.

And its harder for them to get a gun. Plus more expensive since the black market guns are more expensive.

Let's just try to apply your laws for a moment. Say we do allow just about anyone to have guns. This, of course, does not mean everyone has a gun in this gathering. It just means that its likely for more people to have guns. Then, there's a psychological pitfall:

1.) Some will think: Why the hell would I bring a gun to a public gathering?
2.) Others: This is a really good opportunity to bring a gun, maybe I can kill her since she doesn't have a security detail.

Loughner goes to this gathering, irregardless of the laws. The law allows guns to be sold, why not ballistic vests? It'd be illogical not to be able to sell ballistic vests.

So he did shoot some people. Since its a crowd, its hard to tell who's shooting. The only way to subdue the suspect is to take the gun away from him, not to shoot him. Keep in mind, this happens in a crowd; pulling out your own gun wouldn't be smart. No one would know who shot first, starting a domino effect.

Thus, why I can't see allowing guns to be sold freely would help prevent the number of casualty in this topic.

Selling ballistic vests actually makes a lot of sense in this context.

Also, the definition of liberal is pretty messed up in America if they're against gun rights.

[Occupied Deutschland]

If your not qualified then how can you answer to this. At least I am on some level. There are different schools of though in psychology and your source only is one of them. There is no objective answer.

Of course there is an objective answer.

That is a subjective statement.

[Norstal]

Once again like I said im for banning weapons from public property (to a extent).

And how are you gonna check for that? Metal detectors in a Safeway store?