Why do people hate F7?

[Demoness]

I agree completely. During the summer I had come up an RP, it had taken a few weeks to work out the story-line, and...

it was essentially Germany from '32-'40.

It truly is sad. People are willing to post as much as possible though, even if it's recycled. More posts.

I ran away from NS to a side forum a few years ago. When that board died out, I kept coming back here looking for something similar to 1) original NS or 2) RPs I was interested in. I haven't been successful in either yet, but I keep coming back anyway. I think it's lack of better things to do and since you can only come up with so many new ideas, you end up recycling the old ones.

[Sailsia]

When you guys talk about wanting NSG to be more "social," what exactly do you mean by that?

I'm disturbed by what NSG apparently considers "social," so I'm curious too.

agreed. I always thought F7 WAS the social branch of NSG! Oh well, I'm almost never in F7 anyway!

[Nadkor]

That's akin to locking a thread about South Korea and directing us to continue our discussion in a thread about North Korea.

Because, of course, the other thread wasn't a morass of 'F7 sucks'.

No, it wasn't. There was an element of that, but claiming that was the general purpose of the thread is nothing more than an outright lie.

[Geniasis]

F7 may be filled with ridiculous bullshit, but so is General. The difference is that NSG is full of serious bullshit, while F7 aint.

And that's sort of my problem. Everything light-hearted goes somewhere else, everything serious goes here. And we essentially have a crowd that stays here rather than wade through F7.

I don't see how this does anything but cause the climate of NSG to become anything other than more irritable as it has since Jolt days.

[Demoness]

I'm disturbed by what NSG apparently considers "social," so I'm curious too.

agreed. I always thought F7 WAS the social branch of NSG! Oh well, I'm almost never in F7 anyway!

I always thought F7 was the spam/post whore forum, even if the posts don't count. Being a post whore is primarily about attention anyway.

[Paroom]

the world may never know...

But, what is illogical to one person is pleasant to another, I suppose.

[Sailsia]

I agree completely. During the summer I had come up an RP, it had taken a few weeks to work out the story-line, and...

it was essentially Germany from '32-'40.

It truly is sad. People are willing to post as much as possible though, even if it's recycled. More posts.

I ran away from NS to a side forum a few years ago. When that board died out, I kept coming back here looking for something similar to 1) original NS or 2) RPs I was interested in. I haven't been successful in either yet, but I keep coming back anyway. I think it's lack of better things to do and since you can only come up with so many new ideas, you end up recycling the old ones.

II is about to die out and be re-born by the uber-die hards, so I have SOME faith there. NS as a whole seems to slowly going back to Gameplay, and shying away from the forums. Sadly I feel a population drop will occur, and only after a new dark age will NS become "original" again.

[Saint Clair Island]

It's the way it's bundled to me. Yes, there's definitely less-than-stellar behavior taking place. But the legitimate gripes are thrown under the bus alongside it.

Would not legitimate gripes about the site properly be in, I don't know, the moderation forum?

Which has been tried. Numerous times. Nothing gets changed, the threads are locked and the mods interpret everything as "forum royalty whining again about preferential treatment."

And I fail to see how calling people attention whores, virgins, autistics et cetera is anything even remotely resembling a 'legitimate gripe'.

Which happened in this thread. Y'know, the thread you didn't lock and divert the legitimate discussion topic away from.

Eh. I probably shouldn't bother with this.

While this is definitely true, there has been a palpable change in how the forum seems to "feel". It's hard to explain, but I don't think it's all just in my head because I'm not the only one who has reported that. Nor has it been just posters who joined around the same time as me. People who joined anytime between 2003 and 2008, with their formative years anywhere in that range, tend to concur.

*shrugs* Like I said, I'm an "outsider" in this and most of the stuff I monitor is the most vocal part of the population. Obviously the results are going to be skewed in that case. The forum is still largely made up of idiots and newbs and a small population of good posters who may or may not stay. Maybe I'll notice this "change" too if I find a reason to stay longer than a thread or two.

Quite possibly. The change seems to have affected more or less everyone on the forums -- RPers talk about "the move from jolt" having fundamentally changed something just as much as NSGers do. I do recall a lot of "the forums were much better in the old days" threads on Jolt, and before Jolt for that matter, but this* is the first time I've considered such complaints to have that much merit tbh.

* i.e., since the summer of '09

[Nadkor]

And that's sort of my problem. Everything light-hearted goes somewhere else, everything serious goes here. And we essentially have a crowd that stays here rather than wade through F7.

I don't see how this does anything but cause the climate of NSG to become anything other than more irritable as it has since Jolt days.

This would be a fair reflection of the issue.

[The Blaatschapen]

agreed. I always thought F7 WAS the social branch of NSG! Oh well, I'm almost never in F7 anyway!

I always thought F7 was the spam/post whore forum, even if the posts don't count. Being a post whore is primarily about attention anyway.

Sorry for sidestepping a bit, but if you are a postwhore, do you get paid for the posts? Or are you then actually more of a postslut? Because if I can get paid by posting I just found a new job

[Sarkhaan]

When you guys talk about wanting NSG to be more "social," what exactly do you mean by that?

There used to be some more playful threads...whatcha look like?, whatcha listening to?, whatcha sound like?, "sexiest NSGer", things like that. We also had DCD's fun news threads, where he would find every odd news story and there would be a playful thread about it. Not the flood of puns we have today (which grow thin pretty quickly), but legit discussions based around something kinda fun and light hearted. Straughn and I used to do anecdote threads, which I'm fairly certain would be relegated to F7 today, as well as Peech's "Choose Wisely" thread, which was just...fantastic.


*sigh*

I miss Peech.

[Nadkor]

Would not legitimate gripes about the site properly be in, I don't know, the moderation forum?

If you are not:

1) Reporting a rules violation
2) Linking to a relevant rule or relevant post
3) Answering a report about yourself

do NOT post in moderation.

No. Not according to the moderation forum's rules.

[Demoness]

I ran away from NS to a side forum a few years ago. When that board died out, I kept coming back here looking for something similar to 1) original NS or 2) RPs I was interested in. I haven't been successful in either yet, but I keep coming back anyway. I think it's lack of better things to do and since you can only come up with so many new ideas, you end up recycling the old ones.

II is about to die out and be re-born by the uber-die hards, so I have SOME faith there. NS as a whole seems to slowly going back to Gameplay, and shying away from the forums. Sadly I feel a population drop will occur, and only after a new dark age will NS become "original" again.

I don't understand the purpose of II now. When it was created, iirc, it was because the NS portion had become a morass of idiots posting "I nook j00!" so II was supposed to be for the more serious RPs. However, when I compare the two, they don't differ much anymore, especially when you have forums for sports, economics, and factbooks. I do appreciate the division though.

[Lauchlin]

And that's sort of my problem. Everything light-hearted goes somewhere else, everything serious goes here. And we essentially have a crowd that stays here rather than wade through F7.

I don't see how this does anything but cause the climate of NSG to become anything other than more irritable as it has since Jolt days.

This would be a fair reflection of the issue.

What do you two mean by "light-hearted?" What do you want to see more of here?

[Geniasis]

Quite possibly. The change seems to have affected more or less everyone on the forums -- RPers talk about "the move from jolt" having fundamentally changed something just as much as NSGers do. I do recall a lot of "the forums were much better in the old days" threads on Jolt, and before Jolt for that matter, but this* is the first time I've considered such complaints to have that much merit tbh.

* i.e., since the summer of '09

It's harder for me to quantify the nature of the move, since I started to really come into my own as a poster around that same time. So all my evaluations are suspect from that position. In many ways, I find post-Jolt NSG preferable, but that's because of what I've become, not what NSG has become.

[Nadkor]

When you guys talk about wanting NSG to be more "social," what exactly do you mean by that?

There used to be some more playful threads...whatcha look like?, whatcha listening to?, whatcha sound like?, "sexiest NSGer", things like that. We also had DCD's fun news threads, where he would find every odd news story and there would be a playful thread about it. Not the flood of puns we have today (which grow thin pretty quickly), but legit discussions based around something kinda fun and light hearted. Straughn and I used to do anecdote threads, which I'm fairly certain would be relegated to F7 today, as well as Peech's "Choose Wisely" thread, which was just...fantastic.


*sigh*

I miss Peech.

This is an equally fair reflection of the issue.

[Laerod]

I always thought F7 was the spam/post whore forum, even if the posts don't count. Being a post whore is primarily about attention anyway.

Sorry for sidestepping a bit, but if you are a postwhore, do you get paid for the posts? Or are you then actually more of a postslut? Because if I can get paid by posting I just found a new job :D

Well, you know there's always those spam posts advertising cell phones or Nike shoes...

[Nadkor]

This would be a fair reflection of the issue.

What do you two mean by "light-hearted?" What do you want to see more of here?

See Sarkhaan's post.

Not about the specific posters he mentions, but about the types of threads he mentions.

[Sailsia]

Would not legitimate gripes about the site properly be in, I don't know, the moderation forum?

Which has been tried. Numerous times. Nothing gets changed, the threads are locked and the mods interpret everything as "forum royalty whining again about preferential treatment."

And I fail to see how calling people attention whores, virgins, autistics et cetera is anything even remotely resembling a 'legitimate gripe'.

Which happened in this thread. Y'know, the thread you didn't lock and divert the legitimate discussion topic away from.

Eh. I probably shouldn't bother with this.

*shrugs* Like I said, I'm an "outsider" in this and most of the stuff I monitor is the most vocal part of the population. Obviously the results are going to be skewed in that case. The forum is still largely made up of idiots and newbs and a small population of good posters who may or may not stay. Maybe I'll notice this "change" too if I find a reason to stay longer than a thread or two.

Quite possibly. The change seems to have affected more or less everyone on the forums -- RPers talk about "the move from jolt" having fundamentally changed something just as much as NSGers do. I do recall a lot of "the forums were much better in the old days" threads on Jolt, and before Jolt for that matter, but this* is the first time I've considered such complaints to have that much merit tbh.

* i.e., since the summer of '09

The dynamics and "cultures" of NS are shifting, and it's very likely that it will be a rough transition. of course, its just part of settling down. Wait until Summer of 2011. I assure you things will slow down by then, severely. The problem is that we seem to have a hierarchy of nations which don't like making room for new ones. The only place that is 'anarchy' would be F7. NSG used to be really fun, and it still KIND of is, but these are harder times, and the first world is split down ideological lines. this is why debates get so personal.

[Geniasis]

What do you two mean by "light-hearted?" What do you want to see more of here?

Sarkhaan has the right of it, I'd say. The general gist as it were.

I think too, that I might ultimately say the problem isn't that F7 exists, but that there's too stark a division between what's considered F7 and what's considered NSG. Perhaps a little more gray would help a lot.

[Katganistan]

Because, of course, the other thread wasn't a morass of 'F7 sucks'.

No, it wasn't. There was an element of that, but claiming that was the general purpose of the thread is nothing more than an outright lie.

Your perception, of course. But then again, you haven't started a 'legitimate' gripe thread in the moderation forum, nor have you started a thread about "legitimate concerns about General".

You can pretend that the first thread was not a pit of flame and cheap shots and that B E E K E R did not do the classic troll move of posting a remark calculated to get things simmering and disappearing, but it's not going to change the reality of what that thread contained. And you can continue to make snide remarks and personal attacks, too, but that still isn't going to change reality of what the thread contained either. And you can make remarks about the vast mod playbook for ignoring 'legitimate complaints', but do at least admit to yourself, if no one else, that when 'legitimate complaints' go hand in hand with abusing other players who have just as much right to be here... what was it someone said? The signal to noise ratio gets out of whack and the message gets garbled.

[The Blaatschapen]

What do you two mean by "light-hearted?" What do you want to see more of here?

Sarkhaan has the right of it, I'd say. The general gist as it were.

I think too, that I might ultimately say the problem isn't that F7 exists, but that there's too stark a division between what's considered F7 and what's considered NSG. Perhaps a little more gray would help a lot.

Perhaps we should merge both. That way all threads would fit in that new forum thus allowing for a lot of gray.

[Vonners]

Would not legitimate gripes about the site properly be in, I don't know, the moderation forum?

If you are not:

1) Reporting a rules violation
2) Linking to a relevant rule or relevant post
3) Answering a report about yourself

do NOT post in moderation.

No. Not according to the moderation forum's rules.

Imagine that...a mod getting the rules wrong...and with such condescension to boot! Marvellous.

[Sailsia]

What do you two mean by "light-hearted?" What do you want to see more of here?

Sarkhaan has the right of it, I'd say. The general gist as it were.

I think too, that I might ultimately say the problem isn't that F7 exists, but that there's too stark a division between what's considered F7 and what's considered NSG. Perhaps a little more gray would help a lot.

Also agreed. I think the major problem is the sticklers who report EVERY thread which is in the "grey" area in the hopes of being a mod some day, or earning the mod's favor. There are plenty of threads the mod's wouldn't touch or notice if they weren't reported.

[Demoness]

*shrugs* Like I said, I'm an "outsider" in this and most of the stuff I monitor is the most vocal part of the population. Obviously the results are going to be skewed in that case. The forum is still largely made up of idiots and newbs and a small population of good posters who may or may not stay. Maybe I'll notice this "change" too if I find a reason to stay longer than a thread or two.

Quite possibly. The change seems to have affected more or less everyone on the forums -- RPers talk about "the move from jolt" having fundamentally changed something just as much as NSGers do. I do recall a lot of "the forums were much better in the old days" threads on Jolt, and before Jolt for that matter, but this* is the first time I've considered such complaints to have that much merit tbh.

* i.e., since the summer of '09

Perhaps things fundamentally changed, but there were differences in how the forums were organized in the move to Jolt and the move away from it. F7 was created, disappeared, and was reinstated at least once, if not multiple times without a change to the quality of General. As far as RPing goes, there were changes made to that as well, most notably with the addition of II, and now it's gone back to the same mess. It's really just a matter of perspective.

There used to be some more playful threads...whatcha look like?, whatcha listening to?, whatcha sound like?, "sexiest NSGer", things like that. We also had DCD's fun news threads, where he would find every odd news story and there would be a playful thread about it. Not the flood of puns we have today (which grow thin pretty quickly), but legit discussions based around something kinda fun and light hearted. Straughn and I used to do anecdote threads, which I'm fairly certain would be relegated to F7 today, as well as Peech's "Choose Wisely" thread, which was just...fantastic.

I didn't like those posts. They seemed post whore fodder to me, especially the threads where you were supposed to post pictures of yourself.