Why do people hate F7?

[Nadkor]

So there's a surprise - a thread raising (for the nth time) reasonable concerns met with absolutely nothing from any moderator to indicate they were taking the concerns on-board and locked on flimsy grounds.

Shock, shock, horror, horror, shock, shock, horror.

Flaming and trolling sure didn't lead to that, nope...

Well, there was less of it than in this thread, yet we're all told to go to this thread, presumably in the hope that we won't notice that this thread has an entirely different subject matter.

While, as I noted, once again completely ignoring concerns that keep on regularly coming up.

[Sailsia]

Since Katganistan locked the other thread for no good reason despite the discussion that had sprung up in it, and advised us to continue the discussion in this largely unrelated thread:

Perhaps as an "outsider" who hasn't legitimately posted in several years my perspective is skewed, but the forums seem to be the same as they always were. I left with the population boom, but I monitored its growth for a long time afterward. Threads tend to be the same rehashed subjects dressed up in new debates. RPs are always going to be the same ideas, especially since everyone loves war, but even the actual debates and "fun" threads are recycled, sometimes even from the past week.

While this is definitely true, there has been a palpable change in how the forum seems to "feel". It's hard to explain, but I don't think it's all just in my head because I'm not the only one who has reported that. Nor has it been just posters who joined around the same time as me. People who joined anytime between 2003 and 2008, with their formative years anywhere in that range, tend to concur.

indeed

[Buffett and Colbert]

Flaming and trolling sure didn't lead to that, nope...

It's the way it's bundled to me. Yes, there's definitely less-than-stellar behavior taking place. But the legitimate gripes are thrown under the bus alongside it.

You infer a lot from just a simple lock. I'm not saying that you specifically took part in this, but it's ridiculous that people start a flame/trollfest and then cry the blues when it gets locked.

[Yenke-Bin]

I've posted there a few times when I was REALLY bored. I agree with a lot of posters when they say that it is a less than appealing place. I feel like its the place where people with no real lives or friends go to try and make their empty lives mean something. Kind of sad really. And then you have the personality cults that arise, worshiping anything with breasts, because the kids think that if they by chance impress some internet mistress, they may get e-laid. Its really all kinds of pathetic, hence why I stick to NSG now, with all the cool kids.

[Laerod]

Flaming and trolling sure didn't lead to that, nope...

Well, there was less of it than in this thread, yet we're all told to go to this thread, presumably in the hope that we won't notice that this thread has an entirely different subject matter.

While, as I noted, once again completely ignoring concerns that keep on regularly coming up.

Kat also pointed out that the thread started off on a trolling post, which this thread didn't.

[Sailsia]

It's the way it's bundled to me. Yes, there's definitely less-than-stellar behavior taking place. But the legitimate gripes are thrown under the bus alongside it.

You infer a lot from just a simple lock. I'm not saying that you specifically took part in this, but it's ridiculous that people start a flame/trollfest and then cry the blues when it gets locked.

I guess its more like frustration that a perfectly good thread was ruined.

[Geniasis]

You infer a lot from just a simple lock. I'm not saying that you specifically took part in this, but it's ridiculous that people start a flame/trollfest and then cry the blues when it gets locked.

I'm talking about what I've experienced over the past... I dunno, whenever we moved to these forums. I haven't actually read the thread that just got locked.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Flaming and trolling sure didn't lead to that, nope...

Well, there was less of it than in this thread, yet we're all told to go to this thread, presumably in the hope that we won't notice that this thread has an entirely different subject matter.

While, as I noted, once again completely ignoring concerns that keep on regularly coming up.

The mods even told us that we could continue the discussion here. What exactly is the problem? If the mod's say that the topic could be carried on here, why would you hesitate not to?

[Demoness]

Flaming and trolling sure didn't lead to that, nope...

Yeah, Kat was right in her analysis of it, and it isn't as though the exact same concern isn't being brought up, for the nth time, in this thread, in which it was recommended the exact same discussion could continue.

The recommendation seemed kinda odd to me, but it's possible since Kat was trying to keep an eye on both threads and both had significant issues going it, it was easier to keep an eye on one while allowing the legitimate debates to continue. I am kinda tired of the same debate coming up every three months though.

While this is definitely true, there has been a palpable change in how the forum seems to "feel". It's hard to explain, but I don't think it's all just in my head because I'm not the only one who has reported that. Nor has it been just posters who joined around the same time as me. People who joined anytime between 2003 and 2008, with their formative years anywhere in that range, tend to concur.

*shrugs* Like I said, I'm an "outsider" in this and most of the stuff I monitor is the most vocal part of the population. Obviously the results are going to be skewed in that case. The forum is still largely made up of idiots and newbs and a small population of good posters who may or may not stay. Maybe I'll notice this "change" too if I find a reason to stay longer than a thread or two.

As far as NSG goes, the same people debate the same issues over and over. Sometimes I look at the poster's name and am actually surprised that it's not X person from several months ago but Y new poster.

[Katganistan]

*shrug*
As long as people feel the need to act as if being vicious to each other was ever acceptable here, or if somehow being here longer lets you get a pass when slagging a newer nation, my dominance in the Mod Olympics is assured.

Of course, people could destroy any hope I have of winning said Olympics by taking a deep breath and behaving like civil, thinking folks.

(And to think, one of the complaints is that we mods look to avoid work.....)

Wait, does this mean that you are closely observing this thread just to win the Mod Olympics?

Blaat, did I not clearly state how people could dash my hopes at winning?

[Nadkor]

Flaming and trolling sure didn't lead to that, nope...

Of course not. Also, no suggestion was made to continue the discussion about why the hate for F7 anywhere else, nor was the lock explained at all. Also, clearly, there is favoritism going on here since the moderator warned both sides for flaming the other and isn't siding with longer established nations just because they're longer established.

My god, it's almost as if there's a level playing field! We can't have that!

And the 'paint the concerns as purely "longer established nations" complaining about not getting preferential treatment' post. Wondered when that would come along.

Do you guys have a playbook for when this happens? Because I swear you do the same things each time, and each time it does nothing to address anything.

The other thread was about issues with NSG. This thread was about dislike of F7. They are not the same topic. In fact, splitting the discussion about F7 off from the NSG thread was a fairly good sign of that.

Even trying to suggest that by saying we can continue our discussion here (and claiming that all we were complaining about in the first place was a dislike of F7) is nothing more than disingenuous.

[Katganistan]

Flaming and trolling sure didn't lead to that, nope...

It's the way it's bundled to me. Yes, there's definitely less-than-stellar behavior taking place. But the legitimate gripes are thrown under the bus alongside it.

Would not legitimate gripes about the site properly be in, I don't know, the moderation forum? And I fail to see how calling people attention whores, virgins, autistics et cetera is anything even remotely resembling a 'legitimate gripe'.

[Demoness]

Well, there was less of it than in this thread, yet we're all told to go to this thread, presumably in the hope that we won't notice that this thread has an entirely different subject matter.

While, as I noted, once again completely ignoring concerns that keep on regularly coming up.

The mods even told us that we could continue the discussion here. What exactly is the problem? If the mod's say that the topic could be carried on here, why would you hesitate not to?

People like to complain. Don't take that away from them.

[Geniasis]

Frankly, I'm surprised that this thread has yet to be locked.

[Nadkor]

Well, there was less of it than in this thread, yet we're all told to go to this thread, presumably in the hope that we won't notice that this thread has an entirely different subject matter.

While, as I noted, once again completely ignoring concerns that keep on regularly coming up.

The mods even told us that we could continue the discussion here. What exactly is the problem? If the mod's say that the topic could be carried on here, why would you hesitate not to?

That's akin to locking a thread about South Korea and directing us to continue our discussion in a thread about North Korea.

[Sailsia]

Yeah, Kat was right in her analysis of it, and it isn't as though the exact same concern isn't being brought up, for the nth time, in this thread, in which it was recommended the exact same discussion could continue.

The recommendation seemed kinda odd to me, but it's possible since Kat was trying to keep an eye on both threads and both had significant issues going it, it was easier to keep an eye on one while allowing the legitimate debates to continue. I am kinda tired of the same debate coming up every three months though.

While this is definitely true, there has been a palpable change in how the forum seems to "feel". It's hard to explain, but I don't think it's all just in my head because I'm not the only one who has reported that. Nor has it been just posters who joined around the same time as me. People who joined anytime between 2003 and 2008, with their formative years anywhere in that range, tend to concur.

*shrugs* Like I said, I'm an "outsider" in this and most of the stuff I monitor is the most vocal part of the population. Obviously the results are going to be skewed in that case. The forum is still largely made up of idiots and newbs and a small population of good posters who may or may not stay. Maybe I'll notice this "change" too if I find a reason to stay longer than a thread or two.

As far as NSG goes, the same people debate the same issues over and over. Sometimes I look at the poster's name and am actually surprised that it's not X person from several months ago but Y new poster.

I agree completely. During the summer I had come up an RP, it had taken a few weeks to work out the story-line, and...

it was essentially Germany from '32-'40.

It truly is sad. People are willing to post as much as possible though, even if it's recycled. More posts.

[Geniasis]

Would not legitimate gripes about the site properly be in, I don't know, the moderation forum? And I fail to see how calling people attention whores, virgins, autistics et cetera is anything even remotely resembling a 'legitimate gripe'.

Pretty sure I never defended the "whores/virgins/autistics" comment as being one of those legitimate gripes. But you're free to show me where I said that.

[Demoness]

Frankly, I'm surprised that this thread has yet to be locked.

Give it five minutes. I'm sure more flaming will come up, though the stuff about autistics seemed more flame-y than the other thread, though I honestly skipped the middle.

[Nadkor]

It's the way it's bundled to me. Yes, there's definitely less-than-stellar behavior taking place. But the legitimate gripes are thrown under the bus alongside it.

Would not legitimate gripes about the site properly be in, I don't know, the moderation forum? And I fail to see how calling people attention whores, virgins, autistics et cetera is anything even remotely resembling a 'legitimate gripe'.

Good work on ignoring the vast bulk of the content of the thread, focusing on a few posts, and then insinuating that that's what we are saying are "legitimate gripe[s]".

You're skills are wasted as a teacher, Kat. You should really be a lawyer.

[Buffett and Colbert]

The mods even told us that we could continue the discussion here. What exactly is the problem? If the mod's say that the topic could be carried on here, why would you hesitate not to?

That's akin to locking a thread about South Korea and directing us to continue our discussion in a thread about North Korea.

Then make a new thread if you can't stand it.

[Katganistan]

The mods even told us that we could continue the discussion here. What exactly is the problem? If the mod's say that the topic could be carried on here, why would you hesitate not to?

That's akin to locking a thread about South Korea and directing us to continue our discussion in a thread about North Korea.

Because, of course, the other thread wasn't a morass of 'F7 sucks'.

[Lauchlin]

When you guys talk about wanting NSG to be more "social," what exactly do you mean by that?

[The Blaatschapen]

Wait, does this mean that you are closely observing this thread just to win the Mod Olympics?

Blaat, did I not clearly state how people could dash my hopes at winning?

I'll do anything in my power to prevent you from winning by adhering to the rules. *evil laughter*

[Buffett and Colbert]

When you guys talk about wanting NSG to be more "social," what exactly do you mean by that?

I'm disturbed by what NSG apparently considers "social," so I'm curious too.

[Grenartia]

Direct quote from the other thread:

A quick perusal of the front page...
"Mama Nana's Bistro & Capital City of F7: Part IV "
"Nap's Boozery...Now with *hic*....alcohol poisoning "
"How popular/famous is the person above you?2 "
"kill using three words "
"Guess what the flag above you represents. "
"Tell A Lie About The Person Above You "
"Rate the Flag above you II "
" Would you want to destroy the nation above you. "

RPs and "say x about the x above you" threads? I'm alright, thanks.

I think that covers it.

As opposed to General, which isn't filled with:
Why support abortion?
Why not support abortion?
How the hell can you believe in God?
How can you not believe in God?
Random political crap

Oh wait, it is.
(I didn't look up any topic names, but I can't go a week without seeing any of the above at least 50 times in General)

F7 may be filled with ridiculous bullshit, but so is General. The difference is that NSG is full of serious bullshit, while F7 aint.

Shitstorm Achieved

*shrug*
As long as people feel the need to act as if being vicious to each other was ever acceptable here, or if somehow being here longer lets you get a pass when slagging a newer nation, my dominance in the Mod Olympics is assured.

Of course, people could destroy any hope I have of winning said Olympics by taking a deep breath and behaving like civil, thinking folks.

(And to think, one of the complaints is that we mods look to avoid work.....)

I still dont understand why there is much hatred to two boards on the same site.
For goodness sake this isnt 4chan.

Pray it never becomes 4chan.