The video was aired on ABC. The Cuban activist behind it claims that it is far from the worst, because it is in Havana, while rural hospitals are even worse off.Quailtopia wrote:Or, instead of looking at a Fox Exclusive Anecdote, we could look at the findings of an unbiased international body. I don't think we are getting anywhere on this, so for the sake of trying to stop this godawful derail, Ill drop this with one last statement.
If I was to post a video of the Tuskegee Experiment, and off that video base a claim that the American medical system is actively racist and promotes the same kind of experiments on minorities that Hitler's Germany did, people would(and should) laugh at me, and say that in no way shape or form does that one video/experience invalidate all the other evidence against that being representative of the experience.
I think you can see the parallel.
As for the poverty,it is incredibly difficult to measure poverty in a capitalist system against poverty in a non-capitalist system. Most of the measures we use in the US stem from the goods-basket concept, which, frankly, doesn't apply, since all those goods are provided free by the government. EDIT: That being said, Cuba's population has less than 1% under the poverty line, and honestly, it doesn't really matter if you don't 'trust' them, because there aren't any alternatives sans anecdotes.
Again this bullshit. By American standards the Cuban poverty rate would be over 50%. The American poverty line for a single individual is higher than the median household income in Cuba.
First hand experience is over rated.As far as the medicine shortage goes, again, please source that, because I didn't see any post regarding that. I saw a National Review editorial saying that it was bad, but providing no sources, and another editorial anecdote in the News Corp-owned WSJ. Again, there were no sources. I also did not find a name of the hospital, staff, town, district, or really any identifcation other than the fact that it could have been near Havana, but even that's a stretch because it just said that's why they were there in the first place, not whether the incident happened there.
In short, while it obviously falls under the purview of newspaper sourcing, none of the facts have been checked on(a la editorial pieces) and there is no identifier to even tie the situation he posits to a town, much less a hospital.
Anyway, my point is this. You posted two links to different editorials giving anecdotes as supporting evidence, and I have international sources. You aren't going to concede, and I'm certainly not, so I think this whole thing is pretty much over.
And more of this shit. Your "source" is a government that killed more people in it's early days than Hitler's government. In a country 12 times smaller by population. My sources are first hand witness accounts.
EDIT: I'm absolutely terrible at quoting
Just like everybody else. Which is what I meant by "the quote system sucks."
I don't really care about my NS page. My Factbook is more accurate. Since I wouldn't say my nation is specifically an anarchy, though it is close to an anarchy in a sense.