Wikileaks Mega Thread!

[Juristonia]

Except... it isn't.

Stunning rebuttal. I'm thoroughly convinced.

Part of their job is to give frank assessments of the people they've dealt with. These assessments are naturally not meant for the ears of others. A lot like how if the VP asks a manager what they think of an employee behind closed doors, that information does not need to be disclosed to everyone.

I disagree. An employee should have the right to know how he's being assessed.
Not that it matters since the comparison makes no sense since we're not talking about employees here.

Wonderful. Glad you waited to the end to reveal you can't fucking read, or have refused to actually pay attention to the ongoing conversation.

Glad you made no point there whatsoever. Maybe one day you'll develop the ability to tell the difference between not reading and disagreeing. It shall be a joyous day and the people shall skip and frolic and celebrate through the meadows.
He's accused and wanted for questioning. He has not, however, been officially charged yet.

[Andaluciae]

"A man may say things to his wife about his mother in law, that he would never say to his mother in law."

Cute, but we're not talking about families here.
We're talking about international diplomacy.
To compare the two is ridiculous.

Let's try looking at the concept of the metaphor, and how it's used to illustrate, hmm'kay?

Bull fucking shit. I've already detailed over and over again in this threadthe very real harm that has been done--not only to the United States government, but to the fabric of international diplomacy itself. The cable leak has served to weaken--perhaps fatally--the means by which states communicate with each other. Do you even have how dangerous that is? States go to war when they fail to communicate--and wikileaks has reduce their confidence in their ability to communicate.

Right, it's his fault that nations officials talk shit about each other behind their backs.
If communication is so important, maybe they should learn to be a bit more diplomatic in their expressions while they're on the job.
These aren't things said privately in their own home. These were professional comments made while they were on the clock.

Would you prefer that diplomatic officials not provide their honest and candid opinions about the people they're dealing with? Providing inaccurate information to Washington seems like a guaranteed way to get messed up policy. Would you rather the cables not describe Alivev--the dictator of Azerbaijan--as a murderous kleptocrat for fear that it might hurt the ability of the diplomatic staff to work with his government?

You remember what happened in 2003 with Iraq, when the primary information input was fundamentally flawed? Yes, you do.

Bullshit. From the evidence I've seen, it looks like Assange really did rape those two women. The State Department isn't some sort of omnipotent entity capable for forcing Sweden--a country with a history of neutrality and respect for human rights--to create a framejob like that. It's a sorely underfunded entity, staffed by professionals who have a firm commitment to building positive relations. This sort of conspiracy bullshit is absurd.

It must be great to be omnipotent.
Give Sweden a call sometimes so they don't have to bother charging him with anything.
Which, you know, is something they haven't even done yet, which kinda shows it's not as black and white as you magically seem to know it is.

I've taken a look at the contents leaked documents surrounding his arrest. There's a pretty compelling case against him. Given that I'm neither on a jury to try him, nor do I even live in the country he will be charged in, I'm pretty sure I'm well within my ethical and legal rights to make my own decision. Omnipotence is certainly not necessary in this case.

[The Corparation]

"A man may say things to his wife about his mother in law, that he would never say to his mother in law."

Cute, but we're not talking about families here.
We're talking about international diplomacy.
To compare the two is ridiculous.

But its not. Goverments are made up of people just like families. If say Karzai doesn't like what Obama (Or one of his top aides) says about him behind his back it won't help the delicate relationship we have with him.

Bullshit. From the evidence I've seen, it looks like Assange really did rape those two women. The State Department isn't some sort of omnipotent entity capable for forcing Sweden--a country with a history of neutrality and respect for human rights--to create a framejob like that. It's a sorely underfunded entity, staffed by professionals who have a firm commitment to building positive relations. This sort of conspiracy bullshit is absurd.

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Well according to swedish laws he raped them. Except for the fact that sweden has very stricty laws about rape. If it was in another country he would of have just been a jerk, but it wouldn't of constituted rape.

[The Alma Mater]

Well according to swedish laws he raped them. Except for the fact that sweden has very stricty laws about rape. If it was in another country he would of have just been a jerk, but it wouldn't of constituted rape.

Do you actually know what he is accused of exactly ?
I also thought this at first, but the whole "suddenly broken condom with sex by surprise" claim one hears all over the media seems to be unrelated to reality...

[The Corparation]

Well according to swedish laws he raped them. Except for the fact that sweden has very stricty laws about rape. If it was in another country he would of have just been a jerk, but it wouldn't of constituted rape.

Do you actually know what he is accused of exactly ?
I also thought this at first, but the whole "suddenly broken condom with sex by surprise" claim one hears all over the media seems to be unrelated to reality...

Actually I'm not sure if he's even been formaly accused yet, last I checked he was in custody for questioning and no charges had been filed.

[Geniasis]

Stunning rebuttal. I'm thoroughly convinced.

I bet it's like looking in a mirror.

I disagree.

That's nice.

Not that it matters since the comparison makes no sense since we're not talking about employees here.

Fair enough. So what example would you use to illustrate it? And kindly show why anyone is entitled to know what is being said about them.

Glad you made no point there whatsoever. Maybe one day you'll develop the ability to tell the difference between not reading and disagreeing. It shall be a joyous day and the people shall skip and frolic and celebrate through the meadows.
He's accused and wanted for questioning. He has not, however, been officially charged yet.

I was only gone a few days from NSG... when did being pedantic suddenly become a virtue?

[Gravlen]

Do you actually know what he is accused of exactly ?
I also thought this at first, but the whole "suddenly broken condom with sex by surprise" claim one hears all over the media seems to be unrelated to reality...

Actually I'm not sure if he's even been formaly accused yet, last I checked he was in custody for questioning and no charges had been filed.

Just one page back...

He's accused of rape, due to allegedly having sex with a sleeping woman. In addition to being accused of one count of unlawful coercion and two counts of sexual molestation.

[Rugenia]

I dont like Wikileaks.. but I dont hate it, its such funny for me

[New Olmond]

How can we say to NK that we are superior if we act like them?

That right there is probably one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read

[Cathalysto]

Assange is a f*cking hero. If you diss him your dissing your own freedom and need to check whos been brainwashing you

[Andaluciae]

Assange is a f*cking hero. If you diss him your dissing your own freedom and need to check whos been brainwashing you

As I've said before, Julian Assange is not the corporeal expression of freedom. I don't want him, or anybody else for that matter, to be such. His own self-aggrandizement has done more to harm speech, and limit the likelihood of genuinely useful leaks in the future. Beyond that, by facilitating the leaking of these documents he has done very real harm to the international system, and had served to increase danger within the system.

Mix that in with the incessant "if you don't sport assange, you're brainwashed" refrain that belittled other points of view, and the attacks on organizations that won't freely service Assnge and wikileaks--it seems like this whole campaign is one of "my free speech is more important than yours." Bullshit.

[The Alma Mater]

Assange is a f*cking hero.

That he apparantly has been f*cking girls without a condom while they were sleeping is exactly the problem, yes,

[The Lone Alliance]

Assange is a f*cking hero. If you diss him your dissing your own freedom and need to check whos been brainwashing you

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if all your internet history was released on Wikileaks and sent to your family.

That goes double for the people who support him ALL of their personal information should be given to him for release, you guys don't want to be hypocrites right?

I want the System.dat and User.dat of every supporter of Assange.

[Strykla]

Assange is a f*cking hero. If you diss him your dissing your own freedom and need to check whos been brainwashing you

Right.
You truly never expected governments to lie to you? Really?
ASSange is an ultra-liberal who probably hates the US military. Maybe Gunny Ermey will put him in his place.

[Conchobar Macnessa]

I just lost the game. So I can be a dick to everyone here

[Machretos]

I bet any goverment would do anything to keep their secrets hidden, preventing anything catastrophical to happen.
Wikileaks is the needle that pierces the wall to snuff all restricted information and give it to us.
I don't say it's bad but very, very radical information would start WWIII.

[Galiria]

Assange is a f*cking hero. If you diss him your dissing your own freedom and need to check whos been brainwashing you

I support Wikileaks, but this is just ridiculous.

He seems quite a dick to me, and his new 'memoir' he's apparently writing leaves a bad taste.

Now understand this simple thing
Assange=/=Wikileaks

If you 'diss' Assange, you're not brainwashed and you're not 'dissing freedom'. It's bad enough we have people calling for his death on one side, don't make the pro-Wikileaks side seem like a bunch of fuckers worshipping the ground he walks on.

[Mercator Terra]

Free speech....
That is all....

[ITroll]

Unfortunately for your Free Speech case, the USSC ruled that if speech endangers national security, the speech is unconstitutional. That is the big thing to decide, and I do not know if Julian qualifies.

[Nobel Hobos]

Unfortunately for your Free Speech case, the USSC ruled that if speech endangers national security, the speech is unconstitutional. That is the big thing to decide, and I do not know if Julian qualifies.

What the fuck kind of name is ITroll anyway?

Julian isn't a US citizen and is not resident in the US. So shove it.

[Basementees]

Julian isn't a US citizen and is not resident in the US. So shove it.

So, you're saying that anyone who is not a US citizen can be denied the rights of any resident/citizen of the States?

Anywho, the real question, to me, is who are his informants; and why haven't they been arrested yet.

[Scientific socks]

Julian isn't a US citizen and is not resident in the US. So shove it.

So, you're saying that anyone who is not a US citizen can be denied the rights of any resident/citizen of the States?

Anywho, the real question, to me, is who are his informants; and why haven't they been arrested yet.

Prehaps it means that a non US citizen he should not be held to US law
He may be harmful to the US but if so prehaps he should be treated as a prisinor or war. He has been called a "cyber terrorist" by the US

However he has no sides except for attention and profit. He is just like Paris Hilton. Known for sleeping around, never has anything inteligent to say and detrimental to the intelligence of all that approach.

[South Norwega]

Julian isn't a US citizen and is not resident in the US. So shove it.

So, you're saying that anyone who is not a US citizen can be denied the rights of any resident/citizen of the States?

Anywho, the real question, to me, is who are his informants; and why haven't they been arrested yet.

Supposedly it's this Bradley Manning fellow, who's been under arrest for several months.

[Mercator Terra]

Unfortunately for your Free Speech case, the USSC ruled that if speech endangers national security, the speech is unconstitutional. That is the big thing to decide, and I do not know if Julian qualifies.

The constitution can go shove it. It doesn't protect us. The government couldn't give two shits about whats in there. With that being said I applaud Julian for exposing are ridiculous foreign policy system.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

You are obviously an ignorant American, old chap. Have you ever been out of the country (and the Caribbean does not count)?
The Government cares about the Constitution, and America has a lot of civil liberties. There only true error right now in regards to freedoms is that they are not giving us a common enemy to complain about. Right now, all we have to hate is our own government. By the way, can you mention any situations in which the government has openly gone against the Constitution?