Wikileaks Mega Thread!

[Camicon]

Dude why r they persecuting the wikileak founder? he's doing a good thing govenments are supposed to be honest

Dude, why the hell does your grammar suck? Run it through a spell check at the very least.

[Andaluciae]

Dude why r they persecuting the wikileak founder? he's doing a good thing govenments are supposed to be honest

Dude, why did Assange put his penis inside a woman when she was asleep?

[Plopburger]

Dude why r they persecuting the wikileak founder? he's doing a good thing govenments are supposed to be honest

Dude, why did Assange put his penis inside a woman when she was asleep?

If you have evidence to support this accusation I suggest you contact your local police.

Why did you put your penis inside that underage child? Oh, wait, you don't like to be slandered with baseless accusations?

[Geniasis]

If you have evidence to support this accusation I suggest you contact your local police.

Why did you put your penis inside that underage child? Oh, wait, you don't like to be slandered with baseless accusations?

I believe the police are already aware, hence the trial.

That said, I believe it was broken condom and not a sleeping woman, though I confess I have not kept up with Assange's personal life in some time.

[Gravlen]

If you have evidence to support this accusation I suggest you contact your local police.

Why did you put your penis inside that underage child? Oh, wait, you don't like to be slandered with baseless accusations?

I believe the police are already aware, hence the trial.

That said, I believe it was broken condom and not a sleeping woman, though I confess I have not kept up with Assange's personal life in some time.

You obviously haven't. The allegation of rape has got nothing to do with a broken condom.

According to the leaked police report:

Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden

[Geniasis]

You obviously haven't.

Um... yes, I'm aware of that. This is why I've stated as such.

Tell me, do you find great pleasure in repeating what others have explicitly stated?

The allegation of rape has got nothing to do with a broken condom.

As I recall, that was the the idea several weeks ago, when the Interpol warrant was released. I wasn't aware that police had been leaked, however.

[Plopburger]

Andaluciae stated the accusation as fact, which at this stage is not accurate until proven otherwise.

[Geniasis]

Andaluciae stated the accusation as fact, which at this stage is not accurate until proven otherwise.

And you stated that he was being "slandered with baseless accusations", which is also an erroneous statement. The accusations would have been thrown out if they were baseless, no?

[Plopburger]

Andaluciae stated the accusation as fact, which at this stage is not accurate until proven otherwise.

And you stated that he was being "slandered with baseless accusations", which is also an erroneous statement. The accusations would have been thrown out if they were baseless, no?

The implication that Andaluciae had put his penis inside a child is just as baseless as the implication that Assange had put his penis inside a sleeping woman. We do not have access to the evidence and therefore have no foundation to level that accusation.

[Geniasis]

The implication that Andaluciae had put his penis inside a child is just as baseless as the implication that Assange had put his penis inside a sleeping woman. We do not have access to the evidence and therefore have no foundation to level that accusation.

We have the police report which is more than you have for Andaluciae, and presumably this is what Julian is going to trial for. So clearly there does exist a foundation for that accusation. The truth of which will hopefully come to light as the trial unfolds.

[Gravlen]

You obviously haven't.

Um... yes, I'm aware of that. This is why I've stated as such.

Tell me, do you find great pleasure in repeating what others have explicitly stated?

Yes, but that's neither here nor there since I wasn't repeating what you had stated. I was pointing out that your statement was glaringly obvious. I could have gone with a "Captain Obvious" pic since it's Christmas time, but I figured this would suffice.

The allegation of rape has got nothing to do with a broken condom.

As I recall, that was the the idea several weeks ago, when the Interpol warrant was released. I wasn't aware that police had been leaked, however.

It was - and still is, to some degree - the narrative that his defense team and supporters presented. The Interpol warrant has always been based on him being wanted for questioning in connection with allegations of sexual misconduct defined as one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape.

[Andaluciae]

The implication that Andaluciae had put his penis inside a child is just as baseless as the implication that Assange had put his penis inside a sleeping woman. We do not have access to the evidence and therefore have no foundation to level that accusation.

We have the police report which is more than you have for Andaluciae, and presumably this is what Julian is going to trial for. So clearly there does exist a foundation for that accusation. The truth of which will hopefully come to light as the trial unfolds.

And given that Mr. Assange is being put on trial in a country that is not the United States, where I am not on a jury to determine his guilt or innocence, I can feel free--both legally and ethically to reach a conclusion on his guilt or innocence whensoever I choose. Same goes for everyone on this forum. There is a quantity of evidence out there, and we can legally and ethically draw our own conclusions based off of that evidence.

Meanwhile, our recently deleted friend didn't even have evidence that I have a penis (although I can assure you all that I do).

Regardless, thank you for your ready response and defense, and may your day be snowy and beer filled

[Geniasis]

Regardless, thank you for your ready response and defense, and may your day be snowy and beer filled

I assure you it was no trouble at all. Alas, I am but a year (well, 6 months anyway) young for the latter half of your blessing, but I very much appreciate the sentiment.

[Giant Jellyfish]

Julian Assange and Wikileaks are both questionable, but I applaud the work that they have been doing: releasing information to the public that should be known to all. I think the public needs to know all the massive mistakes the US has hushed up, especially how the Central Intelligence Agency was kidnapping the wrong people. While I don't necessarily agree with the method that Assange took, I'm glad that this information was released to the public. We have the right to know.

[Blouman Empire]

Assange is just another hypocrite, it is fine when h does it but when someone else does the exact same thing but too him he has a go at them for it. The man who is only doing it to boost his own profile and stroke his ego is nothing but a hypocrite and another member of the media we should all hold in contempt and view with cynicism.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-dept ... 5974652759

[Juristonia]

Assange is just another hypocrite, it is fine when h does it but when someone else does the exact same thing but too him he has a go at them for it. The man who is only doing it to boost his own profile and stroke his ego is nothing but a hypocrite and another member of the media we should all hold in contempt and view with cynicism.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-dept ... 5974652759

And your source backs this up how?
All he says about any former friends is:

He is particularly angry with Nick Davies, a senior reporter and former friend, for "selectively publishing" incriminating sections of the police report - although The Guardian has made it clear Mr Assange was given several days to respond, and it is known some graphic detail of his conduct was not published.

[Waideland]

I don't see what the big deal over this guy is anyway. The documents he released have not damaged the USA. All they've done is embarrass individuals in the government by destroying any possible plausible deniability when they lie about what's in them. All the ones I've read so far have just amounted to things anyone with a brain already suspected, but couldn't prove.

Far as Assange himself. What's happening to him amounts to butthurt people in high levels of the Administrative branch, particularly the State Department, trying to punish him for revenge. They have no legal authority to do so, so instead they're going in the back door by leaning on corporations and smaller governments. Every time I hear someone mention trying him for treason, I just laugh. You have to owe us allegiance in the first place before you can commit treason. As for espionage, we already have the guy that stole the documents locked up, and have for quite awhile. All Assange did was buy them. Why do we hear nothing of this guy Manning, who IS guilty of treason and espionage? If a foreign citizen buying classified US documents while on foreign soil is treason or espionage, why haven't we issued warrants, and froze the bank accounts of most world leaders?

[Wikipedia and Universe]

I heard Assange and his lawyers are up in arms about the leak of his arrest records, calling the whole incident a "smear tactic" while leaking countless documents with lots of juicy spin. So smear tactics are wrong when they're used against him?

Basically, I see many of the docs like this: "Obama went out for cheeseburgers with Dmitri Medvedev the other day. This obviously indicates that America eats babies, the Na'vi are real, and we need to give them AK-47s." And people will swallow it.

[Southern United Africa]

I heard Assange and his lawyers are up in arms about the leak of his arrest records, calling the whole incident a "smear tactic" while leaking countless documents with lots of juicy spin. So smear tactics are wrong when they're used against him?

Basically, I see many of the docs like this: "Obama went out for cheeseburgers with Dmitri Medvedev the other day. This obviously indicates that America eats babies, the Na'vi are real, and we need to give them AK-47s." And people will swallow it.

That's exactly how I see it. Maybe we need to raise an army of Rachel Corrie zombies and send them into the Pentagon? I'm sure they could easily slide under the doors.

[Hiijaric Monarchy]

I'm amused that people are trying to pass off this cable alleging that Hillary ordered her diplomats to actively do some intelligence gathering for her, in one way or another, by saying "Oh, well, diplomats don't read these things anyway, so they don't really matter, mmk?"

It's the way they did it that was disturbing...and illegal.

It;s not a crime if the state does it ooooh noooo, but if you gather intelligence data as a citizen you are looking at a looooooong sentence.

Ironic, because this is exactly what the UK does and I remember reading that you supported an Orwellian dictatorship.

I seriously, seriously, seriously hate China now. Unless this is a forgery or something - but honestly I can't bring myself to believe that it could be. *heavy sigh*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... fied-korea

I'm highly considering burning my Chinese flag and boycotting all Chinese goods (INB4 - that's impossible, I know, but still...). >_<

Damnit. Mao and the Gang of Four should have butchered more of the counter-revolutionaries. This should be a lesson I suppose that there's no such thing as a good "reformist".

Long live Choseon - death to counter-revolutionaries. That is all.

We need more Pinochets.

Suffer not the communist, the leftist, the despot.

As well as disbanding a key part of or civil liberties the US government is trying to block wiki-leaks. Which was going to publish document detailing on the personal lives of diplomats and National leaders as well as the US opinion of world governments.

Oh the irony of you bleeding heart liberals. "How dare they take away our civil rights to endanger other people's life's and civil rights."

I love it.

Clearly you're an oligarch supporting, tyrannical dictatorship lover.

Move to the UK, since you obviously don't value freedom.

[The Corparation]

I don't see what the big deal over this guy is anyway. The documents he released have not damaged the USA. All they've done is embarrass individuals in the government by destroying any possible plausible deniability when they lie about what's in them. All the ones I've read so far have just amounted to things anyone with a brain already suspected, but couldn't prove.

Well, the thing is by embassing the US's leaders, It reflects badly on the country in the eyes of Foriegn goverments. Not only does it make our secruity look bad, it also .syas ho we really feel. For instance if you hate someone, but are supposed to be nice to that person, you don't want them to know that you hate them. Even if they suspect you do hate them. You not revealing it allows polite discussions to continue. If someone tells the person that you hate them, things start to go down hill.

[Andaluciae]

I don't see what the big deal over this guy is anyway. The documents he released have not damaged the USA. All they've done is embarrass individuals in the government by destroying any possible plausible deniability when they lie about what's in them. All the ones I've read so far have just amounted to things anyone with a brain already suspected, but couldn't prove.

Well, the thing is by embassing the US's leaders, It reflects badly on the country in the eyes of Foriegn goverments. Not only does it make our secruity look bad, it also .syas ho we really feel. For instance if you hate someone, but are supposed to be nice to that person, you don't want them to know that you hate them. Even if they suspect you do hate them. You not revealing it allows polite discussions to continue. If someone tells the person that you hate them, things start to go down hill.

"A man may say things to his wife about his mother in law, that he would never say to his mother in law."

[Andaluciae]

I don't see what the big deal over this guy is anyway. The documents he released have not damaged the USA.

Bull fucking shit. I've already detailed over and over again in this threadthe very real harm that has been done--not only to the United States government, but to the fabric of international diplomacy itself. The cable leak has served to weaken--perhaps fatally--the means by which states communicate with each other. Do you even have how dangerous that is? States go to war when they fail to communicate--and wikileaks has reduce their confidence in their ability to communicate.

Far as Assange himself. What's happening to him amounts to butthurt people in high levels of the Administrative branch, particularly the State Department, trying to punish him for revenge. They have no legal authority to do so, so instead they're going in the back door by leaning on corporations and smaller governments.

Bullshit. From the evidence I've seen, it looks like Assange really did rape those two women. The State Department isn't some sort of omnipotent entity capable for forcing Sweden--a country with a history of neutrality and respect for human rights--to create a framejob like that. It's a sorely underfunded entity, staffed by professionals who have a firm commitment to building positive relations. This sort of conspiracy bullshit is absurd.

[Juristonia]

Well, the thing is by embassing the US's leaders, It reflects badly on the country in the eyes of Foriegn goverments. Not only does it make our secruity look bad, it also .syas ho we really feel. For instance if you hate someone, but are supposed to be nice to that person, you don't want them to know that you hate them. Even if they suspect you do hate them. You not revealing it allows polite discussions to continue. If someone tells the person that you hate them, things start to go down hill.

"A man may say things to his wife about his mother in law, that he would never say to his mother in law."

Cute, but we're not talking about families here.
We're talking about international diplomacy.
To compare the two is ridiculous.

Bull fucking shit. I've already detailed over and over again in this threadthe very real harm that has been done--not only to the United States government, but to the fabric of international diplomacy itself. The cable leak has served to weaken--perhaps fatally--the means by which states communicate with each other. Do you even have how dangerous that is? States go to war when they fail to communicate--and wikileaks has reduce their confidence in their ability to communicate.

Right, it's his fault that nations officials talk shit about each other behind their backs.
If communication is so important, maybe they should learn to be a bit more diplomatic in their expressions while they're on the job.
These aren't things said privately in their own home. These were professional comments made while they were on the clock.

Bullshit. From the evidence I've seen, it looks like Assange really did rape those two women. The State Department isn't some sort of omnipotent entity capable for forcing Sweden--a country with a history of neutrality and respect for human rights--to create a framejob like that. It's a sorely underfunded entity, staffed by professionals who have a firm commitment to building positive relations. This sort of conspiracy bullshit is absurd.

It must be great to be omnipotent.
Give Sweden a call sometimes so they don't have to bother charging him with anything.
Which, you know, is something they haven't even done yet, which kinda shows it's not as black and white as you magically seem to know it is.

[Geniasis]

Cute, but we're not talking about families here.
We're talking about international diplomacy.
To compare the two is ridiculous.

Except... it isn't.

Right, it's his fault that nations officials talk shit about each other behind their backs.
If communication is so important, maybe they should learn to be a bit more diplomatic in their expressions while they're on the job.
These aren't things said privately in their own home. These were professional comments made while they were on the clock.

Part of their job is to give frank assessments of the people they've dealt with. These assessments are naturally not meant for the ears of others. A lot like how if the VP asks a manager what they think of an employee behind closed doors, that information does not need to be disclosed to everyone.

It must be great to be omnipotent.
Give Sweden a call sometimes so they don't have to bother charging him with anything.
Which, you know, is something they haven't even done yet, which kinda shows it's not as black and white as you magically seem to know it is.

Wonderful. Glad you waited to the end to reveal you can't fucking read, or have refused to actually pay attention to the ongoing conversation.