Black Pride! (Yay.) Brown Pride! (Yay.) White Pride! (Punch)

[Geniasis]

Think about it. Blacks owned blacks; Whites owned blacks, Jews owned blacks...this is where the inferiority complex comes from I think. When Europeans got into the slavery gig; after learning it from Africans, we figured we'd use the Africans as they have been used throughout history by non-Europeans. The response is a natural one. They are right to think so and I'll prove it below.

Really? Odd, because the Atlantic Slave Trade was quite unique.

Even after more than a hundred years of not having blacks as slaves...the mentality remains in that culture. I'm sick of the "poor nigger" routine. Americanized Africans have the same opportunity to work, eat, sleep, eat, fuck, and breath like the rest of us. I's say in the strongest terms possible to get your shit together and stop blaming Whites for your problems.

I'm sick of the racist asshole routine, but you don't seem to be giving that up anytime soon.

Incidentally, they may have stopped being slaves a long time ago, but it was less than a hundred years ago that we passed a civil rights act that ended segregation. Furthermore, there's plenty of evidence to suggest the playing field is not in fact level, but that a form of institutionalized racism exists still.

Europeans were superior; are superior, and always will be superior to Africans. Deal with it.[/quote]

Is this posturing masking some kind of inferiority complex? I mean, are you that insecure that you can't handle the thought of other races being equal?

What a sad world you live in.

We're different genetically; mentally, and culturally. We don't belong together but someone dumbass White traitors fucked that up long ago so we're stuck with it. Yes I said it. Africans and Europeans do not belong living together as we have nothing in common. Americans get so wrapped up in the "But I'm American?" bullshit that they forget their ancestry. This disgrace is of their own doing; not ours.

It has been cited in this very thread several times studies that show that we are more two individuals from different ethnic groups have a genetic variance identical to two strangers in a single ethnic group.

This is why White Power movements, White Pride movements, and White Supremacist movements are rising in America. It's up to the Blacks to sort their own out.....The only time I want to see "Black Power" again is coming from a law abiding educated and employed black American. Then I'll applaud and say true black power. Until then; work on it and stop blaming us for your inadequacies.

And I never want to see "white power" again, but it looks like neither of us are getting our way. Maybe you should "get your shit together"?

[The Fanboyists]

Snipped Up To:

Your statement is prejudiced in itself to cite Europeans as the root cause of all problems. Which, in some cases, is deserved, but by no means is that always, and by no means does that mean white people have never done anything worthwhile, either.

You can't be politically-correct to everyone except the majority. Political correctness and equality involves being so to everyone. Or else it is not, in any real sense, equal, but instead is reverse-discrimination.

Snip.

I bolded the main part of my point. The part that preceded it was mostly an attempt to point out the stupidity and overnegativity (as well as bias) to Vec's statements. I intended most, if not all of those (see: Heavy Metal and Dairy Products) to be humorous and not to be taken seriously. I'm sorry if I was unclear about that.

Part of my point, also, was simply that white people (generically) have done things they can be proud of. I do fail to see why the terms "Black Pride" or "Brown Pride" espouse simple pride, while saying "White Pride" indicates a belief in white supremacy and makes you racist. It's considerably different from saying "White Power," which suggests said racist views much more.


Furthermore, my other point is that it's very well and good to be polite and inoffensive to minorities: I'm quite fine with that, as most of them have put up with enough shit as it is. But I fail to see why that makes it okay, then, for some people to treat the majority like shit. I'm not saying everybody does it, but in my own experiences, I have noticed it here and there.

Automatic preference towards minorities based on minority-status, for instance, in college admissions' processes and the awarding of scholarships and the raising or lowering of standards. As the son of a white father and a white Hispanic mother (no, they're not mutually exclusive, for anyone who thinks they are), I've been able to check off "Hispanic" in the race/ethnicity identification for many things, including when I took the PSAT in my junior year of high school. For those unfamiliar with it, PSAT scores are submitted both to colleges and to a board that awards various awards based on those scores.

My scores wound up being good, but relatively common-place for my school (as I am fortunate enough to be in a very good school system, because my parents have worked hard and done well for themselves). There are three levels of note for most students in the "National Merit" Scholarship process, which is the board's award for people with good scores on this test. Now, for a person either of Asian or White ethnicity, what I got was enough for the third-best "Commendation" status (the others being semi-finalist and finalist, second-best and best respectively). However, because I can self-identify legally as "Hispanic" I was eligable for a second award, a "Distinguished Hispanic Scholar's Award", which at a few of the schools I am applying to, is good for close to a full ride. The Commended status, is not. So while I can get this advantage, coming from a upper-middle-class background, my father, who is what some might call "generic" Southern white, but from a much poorer background, would get no such advantage in the same situation. It's biased in favor of minorities, regardless of who needs the scholarships or the extra consideration when applying for higher education because of socio-economic background. I'm not complaining, necessarily (as that would be very hypocritical, since I benefit from it), but it does strike me as a case of minorities being valued greater than majorities (and here is the important bit) simply because they are minorities, rather than based on specific accomplishment.

Basically, any affirmative action policy, so long as it concentrates on race, and not on socio-economic status (regardless of race, since there are lower-class white people, too) is inherently racist. Quite simply, while there are many people of minority status who do need the assistance because they are a minority and are in poverty, there are plenty of minorities who are not poor, do not need the assistance, and just as there are many upper or middle-class white people who don't need the assistance, there are plenty of white families in poverty who need it as much as someone of minority status.

As for the earlier request:

"White People" - someone, generally of European ancestry, that enjoys majority status because of the color of their skin or because of belonging to this set of ancestry. (I know it's sort of worded strangely).

"White Pride" - having pride in the accomplishments of people of European ancestry and their heritage. A lump term referring to pride by any member of a people of Europe or of European ancestry for said group's accomplishment. Similar to saying "Hispanic" or "Black" pride, rather than distinguishing specific ethnic groups or national groups.

Saying white pride makes sense insofar as it makes sense to say "Hispanic/Brown" or "Black" pride. These terms (white, black, brown, etc) are very generic and refer to a very large group of people. Thus, even though use of specific ethnic groups + the word "pride" may be more appropriate, the use of "Black" and "Brown" pride statements make "White" pride statements equally valid, insofar as all these terms are irritatingly generic and vague.

Alternately, political correctness and racial typing can just collectively fuck off.

[Newest Accord]

However, because I can self-identify legally as "Hispanic" I was eligable for a second award, a "Distinguished Hispanic Scholar's Award", which at a few of the schools I am applying to, is good for close to a full ride

That's just sick. No one should get a separate award, trophy, or scholarship just because of their minority status. Equal opportunity and treatment in schools and workplaces regardless of what bloody race you are should be the standard. People that use the system piss me off; since it's us hard working whites that are paying for it.

It's a handout. It's saying 'Here Johny; I know you're _______ and we feel so sorry for you that here's money for tuition." Fuck that. EARN IT.

Another thing along the same line is the welfare system. Only if we're forced out of our jobs do we use it; and only after employment insurance is over. It's a safety net; not an extra income for immigrants.
Just a pet peeve I have. People getting undeserved and unearned income or status because they're a minority.

And to respond to Geniasis; I'm saying what's already known and proven...tough tomatoes if you don't like it. The scientific sources are there if you care to look. All I'm saying to criminal black folk is to stop acting like savages and start working for your future. There are prominent, well adjusted black folk out there. Emulate them; not these guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

[Geniasis]

And to respond to Geniasis; I'm saying what's already known and proven...tough tomatoes if you don't like it. The scientific sources are there if you care to look. All I'm saying to criminal black folk is to stop acting like savages and start working for your future. There are prominent, well adjusted black folk out there. Emulate them; not these guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

This is so fucking rich. Funny shit, right here.

[GeneralHaNor]

Why must we divide people into groups?

That is part of the whole point of the difference between majority vs. minority pride. When one has been singled out as a "different" and "lesser" group, banding together to fight for your common humanity and "pride" as a group is understandable.

In other contexts, it may be a part of human nature to want to distinquish ourselves from and feel "pride" in our differences from others, but it is rather silly, counter-productive, and often harmful. Generally, it should be discouraged -- especially when the alleged differences are things like skin color, place of birth, ancestry, etc., overwhich no one has any influence or control.

So then, what do you propose we align ourselves by? Language? Religion? Ideology?

The first is a real barrier, in the tangible
The second is Another Construct..so probably not
Ideology? sure. I'm constantly told if I don't like the idelogy of the Majority, I should move to some place that shares my ideologies. If that's a valid request, then yeah
Let the Statists live with Statists, and The Free with the Free.

[Newest Accord]

Imo, people tend to confuse "white pride" with "white supremacy." In other words, misunderstanding "I'm proud to be Irish/German/Russian/etc." with "WHITE POWER!"

Actually, no; over the past few pages, several posters have said they have no problem with "Irish Pride", "German Pride", etc.... but "White Pride"?

So you're a Sunni Arab? Is this why you want to "Smash the White Supremacist hordes"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Avars

[Newest Accord]

Really? Odd, because the Atlantic Slave Trade was quite unique.

You are right there of course in that it was unique.
Of course most people are aware of La Amistad. A Spanish Slaver ship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amistad_%281841%29
The Amistad committee continued to instruct the Africans in English and Christianity and collected donations to pay for their return. Along with several missionaries, the surviving 36 Africans travelled back to Africa early in 1842.

[South Norwega]

Really? Odd, because the Atlantic Slave Trade was quite unique.

You are right there of course in that it was unique.
Of course most people are aware of La Amistad. A Spanish Slaver ship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amistad_%281841%29
The Amistad committee continued to instruct the Africans in English and Christianity and collected donations to pay for their return. Along with several missionaries, the surviving 36 Africans travelled back to Africa early in 1842.

Did you read that article?

[Panzerjaeger]

You are right there of course in that it was unique.
Of course most people are aware of La Amistad. A Spanish Slaver ship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amistad_%281841%29
The Amistad committee continued to instruct the Africans in English and Christianity and collected donations to pay for their return. Along with several missionaries, the surviving 36 Africans travelled back to Africa early in 1842.

Did you read that article?

He obviously didn't.

[Dyakovo]

I'm not ashamed to be white. I'm also not proud of being white.

But it's apparently absurd that someone could be not ashamed of being black AND not be proud of being black.

Why? And according to who (other than you)?

[Norstal]

So far, no white supremacist/racialist/nationalist have said that its wrong for Asians to claim they're white.

More power to me. WHITE POWER!

[Geniasis]

So far, no white supremacist/racialist/nationalist have said that its wrong for Asians to claim they're white.

More power to me. WHITE POWER!

You're not white until us white people need your credentials. Just ask the Italians.

[Norstal]

So far, no white supremacist/racialist/nationalist have said that its wrong for Asians to claim they're white.

More power to me. WHITE POWER!

You're not white until us white people need your credentials. Just ask the Italians.

Well my credentials are:

1. I breathe oxygen, even though I'm Asian, and all white people require oxygen to breathe.
2. I also walk with 2 feet, which most white people do.
3. I speak/write/read English, which most white people also do.
4. I have white skin (no freckles sadly )
5. Finally, I have black hair, which again, almost all white people have.

Frankly, I think I would fit into the white community. Though I have yet to purchase a shotgun myself, but I will!

[Geniasis]

Well my credentials are:

1. I breathe oxygen, even though I'm Asian, and all white people require oxygen to breathe.
2. I also walk with 2 feet, which most white people do.
3. I speak/write/read English, which most white people also do.
4. I have white skin (no freckles sadly )
5. Finally, I have black hair, which again, almost all white people have.

Frankly, I think I would fit into the white community. Though I have yet to purchase a shotgun myself, but I will!

What? No! We don't care about you as an individual!

See, we let the Italians (and the Greeks) in so we could claim their achievements as part of the collective "White man's".

I mean, hell, if you're going to claim Western civilization you might as well partner with the guys who actually created it, amirite?

Now what do your people have to offer us? (Hint: if your answer starts with "I" then just leave. "We" is acceptable.)

[Cimesk Perif]

Actually, no; over the past few pages, several posters have said they have no problem with "Irish Pride", "German Pride", etc.... but "White Pride"?

When I said "people," I wasn't talking about the posters in this thread, but rather Irl.

But yeah, "White Pride" is a rather inaccurate generalization. Should at least be "European Pride."

People say "Black Pride" and such, why cant they be botherd to specify which type of Black heritage they are refering to? Etheopian? Hatian? African American? Egyptian? What? There are just as many "Black" and "Brown" varieties as there are "white", why is it that the "whites" have to specify to make them not sound like racist assholes? I personaly have grown up being taught messeges of equality and how all the nazis and ku klutz klan members are evil so I have little to no problem with race, and I think that if we give it a hundred years we might just be able to forget that we were once seperated by our shades of melonin. Hell, I tip my hat to this colorful arrangement and I see the beauty in the tones of our skin!

Check this out!

[Norstal]

Well my credentials are:

1. I breathe oxygen, even though I'm Asian, and all white people require oxygen to breathe.
2. I also walk with 2 feet, which most white people do.
3. I speak/write/read English, which most white people also do.
4. I have white skin (no freckles sadly )
5. Finally, I have black hair, which again, almost all white people have.

Frankly, I think I would fit into the white community. Though I have yet to purchase a shotgun myself, but I will!

What? No! We don't care about you as an individual!

See, we let the Italians (and the Greeks) in so we could claim their achievements as part of the collective "White man's".

I mean, hell, if you're going to claim Western civilization you might as well partner with the guys who actually created it, amirite?

Now what do your people have to offer us? (Hint: if your answer starts with "I" then just leave. "We" is acceptable.)

Oh fine. We have communism (hey them Russians are communist too, and you let them in), made gunpowder, perfected paper, attempt to make our women hotter using questionable methods, repelled the Mongols (better than you guys too), and we were the ones that made your jeans you love so much.

Really, I think the gunpowder part really makes us white.

[Cimesk Perif]

Well my credentials are:

1. I breathe oxygen, even though I'm Asian, and all white people require oxygen to breathe.
2. I also walk with 2 feet, which most white people do.
3. I speak/write/read English, which most white people also do.
4. I have white skin (no freckles sadly )
5. Finally, I have black hair, which again, almost all white people have.

Frankly, I think I would fit into the white community. Though I have yet to purchase a shotgun myself, but I will!

What? No! We don't care about you as an individual!

See, we let the Italians (and the Greeks) in so we could claim their achievements as part of the collective "White man's".

I mean, hell, if you're going to claim Western civilization you might as well partner with the guys who actually created it, amirite?

Now what do your people have to offer us? (Hint: if your answer starts with "I" then just leave. "We" is acceptable.)

Dude, I think you are a total dickhole.

[Geniasis]

Dude, I think you are a total dickhole.

Oh yeah? Well you're drunk, but tomorrow you'll be sober.

...

Wait, I did that wrong.

Oh fine. We have communism (hey them Russians are communist too, and you let them in)

Yeah, because of the vodka. -1!

made gunpowder

Yes! +3!

perfected paper

Like for books? -1!

attempt to make our women hotter using questionable methods

Well, we like hot women, and dislike equal rights... +2!

repelled the Mongols (better than you guys too), and we were the ones that made your jeans you love so much.

+1! 0!

Really, I think the gunpowder part really makes us white.

Actually you got a perfect 0. That's never happened before.

Um... I'm gonna have to...er... call you back. Yeah.

[Antilon]

When I said "people," I wasn't talking about the posters in this thread, but rather Irl.

But yeah, "White Pride" is a rather inaccurate generalization. Should at least be "European Pride."

People say "Black Pride" and such, why cant they be botherd to specify which type of Black heritage they are refering to? Etheopian? Hatian? African American? Egyptian? What? There are just as many "Black" and "Brown" varieties as there are "white", why is it that the "whites" have to specify to make them not sound like racist assholes? I personaly have grown up being taught messeges of equality and how all the nazis and ku klutz klan members are evil so I have little to no problem with race, and I think that if we give it a hundred years we might just be able to forget that we were once seperated by our shades of melonin. Hell, I tip my hat to this colorful arrangement and I see the beauty in the tones of our skin!

Check this out!

Well, for some, if not most, African Americans I would imagine attempting to trace their tribal/national origins from when their ancestors came to the US as slaves would be... unimaginably difficult. Not to mention the effects of the geo-political cluster-fuck of European imperialism in Africa. So it's understandable to see why "black" people just have "black" pride and not Zimbabweian/Congonian/etc. Pride. Now, I can't really explain why I haven't heard of African Pride...

And as for whites specifying their national origin, I'd imagine it's not to sound like "racist assholes," but rather their in a position to identify their national origins rather than recognizing themselves as generally European.

[Tramekia]

As long as other racial groups have pride in who they are, I will have pride in being white. I'm sick of stupid fucking double standards and whites being demonized.

[Dyakovo]

As long as other racial groups have pride in who they are, I will have pride in being white. I'm sick of stupid fucking double standards and whites being demonized.

As long as other people fight against institutionalized racism you'll fight for institutionalized racism?

[GeneralHaNor]

As long as other racial groups have pride in who they are, I will have pride in being white. I'm sick of stupid fucking double standards and whites being demonized.

As long as other people fight against institutionalized racism you'll fight for institutionalized racism?

Claiming pride in one's racial heritage is not an endorsement for or against institutionalized racism
If it that is true of minority pride, then it's true of white pride
You can't claim one standard for one group, and another for another
That would be racist.

[Newest Accord]

You are right there of course in that it was unique.
Of course most people are aware of La Amistad. A Spanish Slaver ship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amistad_%281841%29
The Amistad committee continued to instruct the Africans in English and Christianity and collected donations to pay for their return. Along with several missionaries, the surviving 36 Africans travelled back to Africa early in 1842.

Did you read that article?

Was busy. Yes I did, I was being facetious. I've seen the Hollywood version as well...
In 1840, a federal trial court found that the initial transport of the Africans across the Atlantic (which did not involve the Amistad) had been illegal, because the international slave trade had been abolished, and the captives were thus not legally slaves but free....

Take a look at the Timeline as an FYI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline#1800-1900

[Newest Accord]

As long as other racial groups have pride in who they are, I will have pride in being white. I'm sick of stupid fucking double standards and whites being demonized.

"white supremacist literature" "racist paraphernalia"
"misdemeanor citations for littering" "citation for aiding misdemeanor of littering"
"Hate material"

It’s called a hate crime when whites distribute literature LIKE THIS

In contrast; no pun intended, black power advocates are putting shit like the image in this link out.
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2009/07obama_and_his_racist_black_panther_friends.html
I typed in "black pride flyer" and got this:
http://bonafidepartynyc.com/2010/07/nyc_black_pride_is_coming_are.html
Black power.....nope. Black panthers...yup.
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sharpton_obama.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN67KJdd6Mw&feature=player_embedded

2010 Black Power convention: You must see this
http://www.blackpowerconvention.com/participants.html
http://www.blackpowerconvention.com/the-follow-up.html


Those that would call me a racist: Fuck you! As Tom puts it;

[Laerod]

Claiming pride in one's racial heritage is not an endorsement for or against institutionalized racism
If it that is true of minority pride, then it's true of white pride
You can't claim one standard for one group, and another for another
That would be racist.

You're confusing the issue. White pride is not the equivalent of black pride or gay pride. It is something completely different.