Why Does NationStates Seem to Attract Liberals?

[South Asia Minor]

NS atracts liberals because many conservatives are old people who don't always know how to use a computer.

Depends on where you are. Here, the majority of the youth are conservative to some extent.

Is "here" the Young Republicans Club?

[Cobhanglica]

NS atracts liberals because many conservatives are old people who don't always know how to use a computer.

Depends on where you are. Here, the majority of the youth are conservative to some extent.

Is "here" the Young Republicans Club?

More like the suburbs southeast of Houston, TX.

[Rolamec]

This. Most NSers are young and therefore naturally inclined towards the appeal of liberalism.

Don't be so sure. Here in Texas most young people are inclined towards conservatism. I personally have always been repulsed by liberalism, even to a greater extent than most.

Really? Because the only demographic Obama won in Texas was the young vote.

[Charvah]

NS atracts liberals because many conservatives are old people who don't always know how to use a computer.

Depends on where you are. Here, the majority of the youth are conservative to some extent.

Is "here" the Young Republicans Club?

More like the suburbs southeast of Houston, TX.

*cough*flamebait*cough*

[Shofercia]

The users here tend to be young and/or educated, resulting in a skew to the left, along with a good chunk of Europeans. And, of course, if you are conservative, then it would be your own personal bias.

I c wat u did thar

Without unintentionally shooting myself in the foot, it is likely for two reasons.


1. NSG is made up mostly of a 18-30 demographic of college-educated tech-literate young adults.
2. College educated tech-literate adults are by an astounding margin Left-wing in leaning.

For a final reason. America has a seriously distorted sense of left-right in comparison to Europe.

America's politics is heaps rightist compared to the rest of the world. Probably something to do with the Cold War and all those Christians...

There are more Liberal Christians in America than most Europeans think. Majority of Americans are Christians, and also don't take Rush Limbaugh seriously.

Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

What does religion have to do with political beliefs? I'd encourage you to read the US Constitution, specifically the separation of Church and State.

Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...

Well you gotta admit, worshiping a King that will send you to burn for all of eternity if you touch yourself is pretty anti-freedom.

I fear a sudden Religious Spark that will set the powder keg NSG ablaze...

Well my point is, the upper right quadrant of the political compass is pretty empty on NSG. And this is because the upper right is typically the religous crowd. They are the ones that are typically for relative free markets and strongly authoritarian government.

One of my friends is a living contradiction to that. Please, stop the stereotyping, don't be a Palin.

It seems to attract allot of authoritarians of all types. In many areas NSG is to the right.

Most people here drift into the neo-liberal/neo-Socialist category.

Not the same. First, there's no such thing as neo-Socialist. Second, neo-liberal is not neo-socialist. One is moronic, like Clinton. There other is linked with FDR, who helped win World War II, and helped make the US the leader, until LBJ the idiot invaded Vietnam. FDR (partially Socialist) made America strong. Clinton (neoliberal) smoked but didn't inhale. There is a difference.

You mean libertarian socialists?

You know exactly what I mean.

That makes more sense

Wow, guys. I appreciate your lovely generalizations. Screw you.

See this is an example of my thesis that right wingers just cannot play nicely with the other children.

To be fair, he was responding to flamebaiting. I.e. calling all religious people stupid, and calling all Americans stupid, just might warrant that response.

This is funny. Just today, I was asking, "Why does NationStates seem to attract neo-Nazis?"

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists. Not too many religious, or even spiritually-minded folks, and the majority of those that are are idiots. Quite sad.

Thank you for the compliment

Scary thing is, some religious people might be reading this, and seeing all the generalizations that a miserable few non-religious people are making, and going "Rush Limbaugh was right about Atheists!" If you don't have something nice to say, and it is not entirely relevant to the thread, don't say it at all.

Why is there this moronic assumption that Christians cannot be Socialists?

Sorry for being naive, but how would an American describe a liberal?

Someone who supports Social Liberalism and Keynesian economics.

That's not Neoliberalism at all. That's FDR's liberalism. It's not what Americans mean by "Liberal Media".

Thing is, Europeans especially do not get their news exclusively through for-profit commercial outlets as so many Americans do. They are therefore somewhat less exposed to the propaganda that pervades U.S. news outlets and more exposed to stories that are completely censored out.

Also this ^^^^

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists.

Hard atheist? What the hell is that?

An male atheist who is turned on.

That's the mental picture I got from it...

Thanks guys. Perfect mental image of a hard Atheist:

because the website is not made by americans

Can we stop bashing Americans already? At least in this thread?

the intellectual culture here is interesting. we tolerate that massive diversity better than most places i've seen, but we expect you to either argue your shit or at least be funny.

That's why I love Nationstates. It's my fave forum. And we have mods that actually do their jobs

It doesn't. It seems that way because reality has a liberal bias.

That's from a Jon Stewart quote, when he was talking about Faux News.

We do have a fair number (and I would strongly guess a plurality) of liberals on NSG.

But, we have a number of traditional conservatives that a quite outspoken, a very large contingent of various types of libertarians (mostly right-leaning), some communists and socialists, a loud group of anarcho-capitalists, some Nazis, some fascists, some authoritarians, etc, etc, etc.

We're actually pretty diverse.

And the liberals often go at each other hammer and tong on specific issues. We don't share a hivemind.

Which category do I fall into ????
*JUMPS UP AND DOWN*

The insane. Cf.

Nuttier than a pecan-almond fruitcake. Welcome to The Cat-Tribe Sanitorium for Brain-Scrubbing Wellness and Relaxation Spa.

I see you already recommended a place covered by medicaid wait a minute I think there is a conflict of interest here.

Anyways if I was insane it is Pennoyer that has made me insane. Especially since it is all about international shoe now anyways.

Your fault for not getting a time machine and killing Mitchell (Neff's Atty)

[Tokos]

It doesn't. It seems that way because reality has a liberal bias.

I didn't know the nature of reality depended on what proportion of liberals and conservatives Nationstates has signed up.

[Kosmanium]

Must just be awesome like that.

[Caninope]

It doesn't. It seems that way because reality has a liberal bias.

I didn't know the nature of reality depended on what proportion of liberals and conservatives Nationstates has signed up.

Yeah. We created the theory of general relativity when there was an increase in authoritarians suddenly.

[Thatius]

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[Scarsaw]

What's with this horrible, common, stereotype that those who are not liberal are not educated or intelligent? To be honest, I see more prejudices from the left on NS more than the right as it seems that those in the left rarely can see when they are acting closed minded; they just presume that because they are liberal in thought, they are automatically open minded...even when making assumptions, insults, and being closed minded to conservative thoughts.

That and how many bash religion, while seeing themselves better for it, is another thing that greatly annoys me of NS.

[Bydlostan (Ancient)]

Yeah, I stopped posting here about a year ago because the angsty teenage liberal atheist circlejerking about the same dozen topics was just getting tedious. Discussion is pointless if nobody can accept or understand a dissenting veiw.

I think its not quite as bad as it was, but I'd guess the nature of the game probably attracts naive idealists for whatever reasons.

[Urgolon]

Because liberals like buying computers made by corporations, running on software developed by corporations, to open up an internet browser made by a corporation, to search on a search engine run by a corporation, to find a forum so they can rant about how they hate the evil corporations.

[The blessed Chris]

I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.

A lot of europe is on here which is a main reason.

Yes, Europe, that socialist monolith that it is...

Quite.

[Hassett]

Because liberals like buying computers made by corporations, running on software developed by corporations, to open up an internet browser made by a corporation, to search on a search engine run by a corporation, to find a forum so they can rant about how they hate the evil corporations.

Hear hear!

[Shofercia]

Because liberals like buying computers made by corporations, running on software developed by corporations, to open up an internet browser made by a corporation, to search on a search engine run by a corporation, to find a forum so they can rant about how they hate the evil corporations.

If you're only using corporate software - you're missing out. Additionally, you don't need to buy a corporate made computer, you can buy parts and make one yourself, that's cheaper, and designed to your needs. Most people hear about NS from friends.

Additionally, corporations aren't evil because they provide services. Some are evil because they choke competition, which is essential to a free marketplace of ideas. Speaking of browsers, you might want to check out the shit that Microsoft tried pulling with Internet Explorer, a browser I proudly don't use.

[Trippoli]

So, I'm young. I am conservative.

But the majority, probably 60-65% of young people are more liberal. At least more liberal than their parents.[/quote]

I'm authoritative. Not exactly at the point of violating basic human rights. But I don't cry about Government interference. I see it rather a good thing.

[Mediterreania]

So, I'm young. I am conservative.

But the majority, probably 60-65% of young people are more liberal. At least more liberal than their parents.

I'm authoritative. Not exactly at the point of violating basic human rights. But I don't cry about Government interference. I see it rather a good thing.[/quote]
I'm an anarchist, so I'm the direct opposite.

[Trippoli]

So, I'm young. I am conservative.

But the majority, probably 60-65% of young people are more liberal. At least more liberal than their parents.

I'm authoritative. Not exactly at the point of violating basic human rights. But I don't cry about Government interference. I see it rather a good thing.

I'm an anarchist, so I'm the direct opposite.[/quote]

Hey! I didn't say that! These quotes makes mah head asplode.

[Mediterreania]

So, I'm young. I am conservative.

But the majority, probably 60-65% of young people are more liberal. At least more liberal than their parents.

I'm authoritative. Not exactly at the point of violating basic human rights. But I don't cry about Government interference. I see it rather a good thing.

I'm an anarchist, so I'm the direct opposite.[/quote]

Hey! I didn't say that! These quotes makes mah head asplode.[/quote]
You consider government interference good. I consider it bad. Thus, we are opposites.

[Finnish North America]

But the majority, probably 60-65% of young people are more liberal. At least more liberal than their parents.

What do you know about my parents?

Everything!

[Dyakovo]

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists.

Hard atheist? What the hell is that?

If I'm not mistaken, a hard atheist is someone whom actively believes that there is no God or gods.

A soft atheist, on the other hand, is simply a person who lacks a belief in God or gods.

It's an active vs. passive distinction and it actually does play itself out in different ways depending upon whom you are talking to.

Okay.
I'm more accustomed to "strong vs. weak" or "explicit vs. implicit" or "gnostic vs. agnostic", but I guess that works...
Other than when connected to the "nearly completely pervasive" portion of his comment as most of the atheists here are weak/implicit/agnostic...

[Dyakovo]

We do have a fair number (and I would strongly guess a plurality) of liberals on NSG.

But, we have a number of traditional conservatives that a quite outspoken, a very large contingent of various types of libertarians (mostly right-leaning), some communists and socialists, a loud group of anarcho-capitalists, some Nazis, some fascists, some authoritarians, etc, etc, etc.

We're actually pretty diverse.

And the liberals often go at each other hammer and tong on specific issues. We don't share a hivemind.

the intellectual culture here is interesting. we tolerate that massive diversity better than most places i've seen, but we expect you to either argue your shit or at least be funny.

Preferably both.

[Unchecked Expansion]

What's with this horrible, common, stereotype that those who are not liberal are not educated or intelligent? To be honest, I see more prejudices from the left on NS more than the right as it seems that those in the left rarely can see when they are acting closed minded; they just presume that because they are liberal in thought, they are automatically open minded...even when making assumptions, insults, and being closed minded to conservative thoughts.

Stats wise, there is some correlation between education and liberal politics. It's no clear if there's a causation, or what causes what, but university students and graduates tend to be more liberal

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Because liberals like buying computers made by corporations, running on software developed by corporations, to open up an internet browser made by a corporation, to search on a search engine run by a corporation, to find a forum so they can rant about how they hate the evil corporations.

What's wrong with that?

[Bottle]

Because liberals like buying computers made by corporations, running on software developed by corporations, to open up an internet browser made by a corporation, to search on a search engine run by a corporation, to find a forum so they can rant about how they hate the evil corporations.

That doesn't make any sense, because conservatives like driving home from work on public roads or using public mass transit, enjoying their homes which haven't burned down thanks in large part to the public fire department, sitting down at the computer that hasn't been stolen thanks in large part to the presence of the public-funded police department, opening up a can of soda that is free from horrible contaminants thanks to the watch-dog efforts of the FDA, possibly taking some non-contaminated aspirin that was likewise regulated (cause the drive home can sometimes give you a headache, you know), powering up their computer using electricity provided by a public utility, and logging on to post about how they don't like having to pay their taxes to the ebil government. So why wouldn't we have equal numbers of conservatives?