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Postby Bendira » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:47 pm

Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.
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Postby Charvah » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:48 pm

Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...
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Postby Sidereal Cities » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:48 pm

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Buffett and Colbert wrote:Because you're a conservative.

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Don't make yourself look like a minority.

Yeah, this ^

Everyone looks left(ist) when you're so far right.

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Postby Bendira » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:50 pm

Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...


Well you gotta admit, worshiping a King that will send you to burn for all of eternity if you touch yourself is pretty anti-freedom.
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Postby Charvah » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:53 pm

Bendira wrote:
Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...


Well you gotta admit, worshiping a King that will send you to burn for all of eternity if you touch yourself is pretty anti-freedom.

I fear a sudden Religious Spark that will set the powder keg NSG ablaze...
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Postby Bendira » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:56 pm

Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:
Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...


Well you gotta admit, worshiping a King that will send you to burn for all of eternity if you touch yourself is pretty anti-freedom.

I fear a sudden Religious Spark that will set the powder keg NSG ablaze...


Well my point is, the upper right quadrant of the political compass is pretty empty on NSG. And this is because the upper right is typically the religous crowd. They are the ones that are typically for relative free markets and strongly authoritarian government.
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Postby Pancakes Wrath » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:03 pm

Bendira wrote:
Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...


Well you gotta admit, worshiping a King that will send you to burn for all of eternity if you touch yourself is pretty anti-freedom.

Fundamentalist Christianity=/=all religion.

Also, there's a bunch of liberals because of Europeans (I'm assuming the OP is from an American perspective, and Europeans tend to be to the left according to us), educated people, and young people. And mixes of the above, and some are just plain liberals who don't necessarily fit into those categories and just stick around because they agree.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:52 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:Why Does NationStates Seem to Attract Liberals?

The same reason it seems to attract conservatives?
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Postby Urstania » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:55 pm

My personal belief is that the universal idea of freewill and no one imposing their will on another individual is fast spreading through the population at exponential speed.
That means right wing conservatism and decrepid idea's that held together society in the 50's and the idea's old crabby politicians with their establishment hold where they enjoy imposing their will, ideas, perception and beliefs onto other people is quickly going out of fashion
And so it was inevitable that the law of attraction would make the universal forces shift into place and bring together like minded free thinking individuals
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Postby Hayteria » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:19 pm

Wamitoria wrote:As a mild liberal, I'd say there tend to be more leftists on the Internet.

This. We're often told that online communities are just places for middle-aged pedophiles to lure teenage boys by pretending to be teenage girls, or just excuses for people to steal your personal information to use in some scam, yet here we are anyway. Obviously, this suggests either recklessness or a strong skepticism of what the social establishment says; I'm going to go with the latter explanation, mostly because it just makes a bit more sense to me. Though for what it's worth, the Internet isn't as demonized as it used to be...

... but still the point remains. Despite what is often said about this medium, here we are. This carries with it, in turn, some implications about the nature of perspectives expressed on the Internet. For example, if one were to claim in a chat room that a lot of gays turn out to be pedophiles, it may be worth pointing out that the same is often said of people in chat rooms.

So it's no surprise that the Internet tends to repel some ideologies more so than others. The next question, then would be related to whether or not NationStates in particular tends to filter them further.

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Postby Greater Americania » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:22 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.


Nationstates is a British site, and we have all kinds of Europeans from all sorts of countries on here so that's where most of it comes from.
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Postby Pancakes Wrath » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:25 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.


Nationstates is a British site, and we have all kinds of Europeans from all sorts of countries on here so that's where most of it comes from.

It's Australian... created by an Australian, anyway.

there are lots of Europeans, though...
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Postby Cosumar » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:25 pm

Bendira wrote:
Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...


Well you gotta admit, worshiping a King that will send you to burn for all of eternity if you touch yourself is pretty anti-freedom.

that is actually false
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:29 pm

Bendira wrote:Well my point is, the upper right quadrant of the political compass is pretty empty on NSG. And this is because the upper right is typically the religous crowd. They are the ones that are typically for relative free markets and strongly authoritarian government.

Mind you, I'd say they're against government intervention as it is presented to them, which is different from being for free markets. Being for free markets requires, if there is any kind of internal consistency, to be for free markets in things like drugs, labour (=immigration) and international trade. Most US conservatives of the type you're talking about aren't in favour of any of these. And that implies to me that they just happen to be against "socialism" because that's what their ideological enemies from the "left" are, in their eyes, supporting.

Which is why I maintain that I as a libertarian capitalist have more in common with, and would rather side with, an anarcho-communist than a conservative.
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Postby ALMF » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:29 pm

Mediterreania wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Waldo followers wrote:because liberals spend all their time on the computer to get people on their side and conservatives are to lazy to go fourm

More like too busy working :P

Briarcliffe Falls wrote:another question....why does nationstates seem to attract Anti-Americans?

Isn't that the same question?

Or maybe it's because all conservatives are robotic prudes who have no use for this "entertainment"? :p

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Postby Greater Americania » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:30 pm

Pancakes Wrath wrote:It's Australian... created by an Australian, anyway.

there are lots of Europeans, though...


He's Australian? Huh, I guess it is then, but it's operated from Britain.
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Postby Korintar » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:34 pm

Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.


There are more liberals than conservatives in those nations which have widespread internet access. However, when I look at NSG and II taken together, there is a far broader diversity in political thought than what you'd typically see in the mainstream. I like it- you get to hear viewpoints from a variety of ideologies, some which one might initially morally abhorrent, and might still (such as fascism), but it is interesting to hear what somebody with insert ideology here actually believes... breaks down stereotypes, I believe.
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Postby ALMF » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:34 pm

Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...

There's nice and true: one out of two isn't bad. :p
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You are a cosmopolitan Social Democrat. 16 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 5 percent are more extremist than you.

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Postby Innsmothe » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:04 am

Greater Americania wrote:
Pancakes Wrath wrote:It's Australian... created by an Australian, anyway.

there are lots of Europeans, though...


He's Australian? Huh, I guess it is then, but it's operated from Britain.

...Canada.
Unless you think they are still British?
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Postby Greater Americania » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:09 am

Innsmothe wrote:...Canada.
Unless you think they are still British?


*facepalm* lol, It appears I got my facts wrong. I knew it was made by Max Berry and that he currently lives in Britain, so I just assumed the web site was there was well.
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Secretary of Defense: Shane Tomlinson
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Secretary of Territorial Administration: Brandon Terry
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:37 am

Charvah wrote:
Bendira wrote:Because NSG posters are intelligent, and like freedom. We just disagree on how to achieve it. Im pretty sure nobody that is intelligent or freedom loving believes in religion though, so thats probably why social conservatism is rare on NSG.

So you're saying that religious people are stupid. Yeah, that's nice...


Less intelligent. Not necessarily stupid.

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Postby Rolamec » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:37 am

Yootwopia wrote:
Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs?

Because they're young.


This. Most NSers are young and therefore naturally inclined towards the appeal of liberalism.
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Postby Greater Americania » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:40 am

Rolamec wrote:This. Most NSers are young and therefore naturally inclined towards the appeal of liberalism.


Don't be so sure. Here in Texas most young people are inclined towards conservatism. I personally have always been repulsed by liberalism, even to a greater extent than most.
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Member of the Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization

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Economic Left/Right: 2.0, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.21
President: Austin Farley
Vice President: John Raimark
Secretary of State: Jason Lee
Secretary of Defense: Shane Tomlinson
Secretary of Federal Security: Ross Ferrell
-Chief of Interior Security Forces: General James Calley
Secretary of Territorial Administration: Brandon Terry
-Governor of Tlozuk: Jarod Harris
-Governor of Comaack: John Fargo
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:44 am

Innsmothe wrote:
Greater Americania wrote:
Pancakes Wrath wrote:It's Australian... created by an Australian, anyway.

there are lots of Europeans, though...


He's Australian? Huh, I guess it is then, but it's operated from Britain.

...Canada.


Yeah, I wonder why he chose Canada?

It's no mystery however why its not hosted in Australia. We're the Global Village Idiot!
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:47 am

Katganistan wrote:Why is this a problem?

Nothing, except that Max Barry could attract fewer monkeys if he stops being such a berry. :lol:
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