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Should women receive the same penalty for sex with minors?

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:44 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
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greed and death wrote:The argument for stiffer sentences for men in statutory cases has been the chances of a girl getting pregnant make the act more damaging/risky for the girl.

While the boy gets to pay child support for the next 18 years.

It's definitely hard on the men.

Its hard on both, but at least the girl would have options.

Your right. At a glans, perhaps it seems as if the men suffer more from the experience but if you dig deeper, you can find that the women actually experience some hardships too.

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Postby New high charity 24 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:44 pm

well in soviet russia.......women drive YOU! or something i dont know.... but that is sexsist :|
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Postby Lunas Verde » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:45 pm

:palm: Not okay. She committed the same crime as the men did and deserves the same sentence.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:45 pm

greed and death wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
greed and death wrote:The argument for stiffer sentences for men in statutory cases has been the chances of a girl getting pregnant make the act more damaging/risky for the girl.

While the boy gets to pay child support for the next 18 years.

It's definitely hard on the men.

Its hard on both, but at least the girl would have options.

I don't know if a boy involved in a statutory rape could be held liable for child support.

I would think so, sicne its the privilege of the child, and apparently has ntohing to do with the woman or method of conception.
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:45 pm

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NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.

The difference is, often, that it won't usually cause trauma for teenage boys. I suppose that's a little sexist, and I don't have any statistics to back that up, but I know the demographic, some.

You sure about that? That's not just a little sexist, it's very.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:46 pm

Lunas Verde wrote::palm: Not okay. She committed the same crime as the men did and deserves the same sentence.

Luckily the courts in this case didn't decide any differently than they would have otherwise (as far as I can tell)
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Postby The Parthians » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:46 pm

Where were these teachers when I was in school, I wonder...
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:47 pm

greed and death wrote:The argument for stiffer sentences for men in statutory cases has been the chances of a girl getting pregnant make the act more damaging/risky for the girl.

That's a very stupid argument. Setting aside the notion of getting the woman teacher pregnant, there's also the joys of STDs.
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Postby Auremena » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:47 pm

It goes along the same line, those who question if a woman can commit rape. Some say that they can't, but of course they can.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:48 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
greed and death wrote:The argument for stiffer sentences for men in statutory cases has been the chances of a girl getting pregnant make the act more damaging/risky for the girl.

While the boy gets to pay child support for the next 18 years.

It's definitely hard on the men.

Its hard on both, but at least the girl would have options.

I don't know if a boy involved in a statutory rape could be held liable for child support.

I would think so, sicne its the privilege of the child, and apparently has ntohing to do with the woman or method of conception.

If I donate sperm I do not owe child support.
Likewise if I was raped I do believe I would liable for child support, as I didn't consent to the act that made it possible.
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Postby Tiesabre » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:49 pm

greed and death wrote:If I donate sperm I do not owe child support.
Likewise if I was raped I do believe I would liable for child support, as I didn't consent to the act that made it possible.

I feel challenged to find a case where the boy was raped but was still responsible for the resulting child.
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:51 pm

greed and death wrote:
NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.

Some of those students of yours in Japan look a little tempting ?

No. I agree with Kat (I know, shocker there. :p ) that if you're teaching and you betray that trust that has been placed in you, you deserve to have the book thrown at you and it annoys me that we still live in a society where the actions of men and women are judged so differently just because 'Oh, of COURSE a teenage boy would want to get it on with his hot teacher. It makes him the BMoC. There's no harm done.'

It is, to my mind, akin to saying that men cannot be raped because we're just all horndogs.
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Postby New high charity 24 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:52 pm

NERVUN wrote:
greed and death wrote:
NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.

Some of those students of yours in Japan look a little tempting ?

No. I agree with Kat (I know, shocker there. :p ) that if you're teaching and you betray that trust that has been placed in you, you deserve to have the book thrown at you and it annoys me that we still live in a society where the actions of men and women are judged so differently just because 'Oh, of COURSE a teenage boy would want to get it on with his hot teacher. It makes him the BMoC. There's no harm done.'

It is, to my mind, akin to saying that men cannot be raped because we're just all horndogs.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:53 pm

Tiesabre wrote:
greed and death wrote:If I donate sperm I do not owe child support.
Likewise if I was raped I do believe I would liable for child support, as I didn't consent to the act that made it possible.

I feel challenged to find a case where the boy was raped but was still responsible for the resulting child.

If the lawyers of NSG want to correct me they are free to do so.
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Postby Rolling squid » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:53 pm

NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.


Which makes an interesting case study of how our society views sex. The results are just as disturbing as statutory rape.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:54 pm

NERVUN wrote:
greed and death wrote:
NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.

Some of those students of yours in Japan look a little tempting ?

No. I agree with Kat (I know, shocker there. :p ) that if you're teaching and you betray that trust that has been placed in you, you deserve to have the book thrown at you and it annoys me that we still live in a society where the actions of men and women are judged so differently just because 'Oh, of COURSE a teenage boy would want to get it on with his hot teacher. It makes him the BMoC. There's no harm done.'

It is, to my mind, akin to saying that men cannot be raped because we're just all horndogs.

Yeah I do admit taking advantage of a position of trust is a bit much. Adults in a p0osition of trust have a duty to protect the young.

but theoretically,your not involved, a teen girl not your student(or in your school at all) comes on to you what would your course of action be?
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:55 pm

Rolling squid wrote:
NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.


Which makes an interesting case study of how our society views sex. The results are just as disturbing as statutory rape.

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Postby Katganistan » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:55 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
greed and death wrote:The argument for stiffer sentences for men in statutory cases has been the chances of a girl getting pregnant make the act more damaging/risky for the girl.

While the boy gets to pay child support for the next 18 years.

It's definitely hard on the men.

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Postby New Amerik » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:56 pm

greed and death wrote:
Tiesabre wrote:
greed and death wrote:If I donate sperm I do not owe child support.
Likewise if I was raped I do believe I would liable for child support, as I didn't consent to the act that made it possible.

I feel challenged to find a case where the boy was raped but was still responsible for the resulting child.

If the lawyers of NSG want to correct me they are free to do so.


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Postby Katganistan » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:56 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
greed and death wrote:The argument for stiffer sentences for men in statutory cases has been the chances of a girl getting pregnant make the act more damaging/risky for the girl.

While the boy gets to pay child support for the next 18 years.

It's definitely hard on the men.

Its hard on both, but at least the girl would have options.

Your right. At a glans, perhaps it seems as if the men suffer more from the experience but if you dig deeper, you can find that the women actually experience some hardships too.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:56 pm

greed and death wrote:If I donate sperm I do not owe child support.
Likewise if I was raped I do believe I would liable for child support, as I didn't consent to the act that made it possible.

I seem to remember some cases where they ruled otherwise in terms of sperm donation, as well as a case where a man was given a BJ or HJ and she used the sperm to get preggers and the man involved was forced to give child support. Anyway, just noting a poor consequence in some of the past rationalizations presented here in the past...

I doubt a court would really uphold that, but who knows? One would presume a child molester wouldn't be allowed near the children of that union anyway.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:56 pm

New Amerik wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Tiesabre wrote:
greed and death wrote:If I donate sperm I do not owe child support.
Likewise if I was raped I do believe I would liable for child support, as I didn't consent to the act that made it possible.

I feel challenged to find a case where the boy was raped but was still responsible for the resulting child.

If the lawyers of NSG want to correct me they are free to do so.


Well, I'm not a lawyer but I've seen one on TV.

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Postby Xirria » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:56 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY6tQiMlD8Y

this is what i was talking about, her name is Debra Lafave.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:57 pm

greed and death wrote:
NERVUN wrote:
greed and death wrote:
NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.

Some of those students of yours in Japan look a little tempting ?

No. I agree with Kat (I know, shocker there. :p ) that if you're teaching and you betray that trust that has been placed in you, you deserve to have the book thrown at you and it annoys me that we still live in a society where the actions of men and women are judged so differently just because 'Oh, of COURSE a teenage boy would want to get it on with his hot teacher. It makes him the BMoC. There's no harm done.'

It is, to my mind, akin to saying that men cannot be raped because we're just all horndogs.

Yeah I do admit taking advantage of a position of trust is a bit much. Adults in a p0osition of trust have a duty to protect the young.

but theoretically,your not involved, a teen girl not your student(or in your school at all) comes on to you what would your course of action be?

Well if shes 18... :D
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:58 pm

greed and death wrote:
NERVUN wrote:
greed and death wrote:
NERVUN wrote:*sighs* When a teenage boy gets laid by his female teacher, everyone just grins and slaps him on the back. When the sexes are reversed, everyone grabs pitchforks and torches. It's more than a little annoying.

Some of those students of yours in Japan look a little tempting ?

No. I agree with Kat (I know, shocker there. :p ) that if you're teaching and you betray that trust that has been placed in you, you deserve to have the book thrown at you and it annoys me that we still live in a society where the actions of men and women are judged so differently just because 'Oh, of COURSE a teenage boy would want to get it on with his hot teacher. It makes him the BMoC. There's no harm done.'

It is, to my mind, akin to saying that men cannot be raped because we're just all horndogs.

Yeah I do admit taking advantage of a position of trust is a bit much. Adults in a p0osition of trust have a duty to protect the young.

Exactly. The harm thing is another kettle of fish of course and it comes down to the people involved (And since the news article is rather lacking details, it's hard to say one way or the other), but my feeling is that boys being preyed on like this can get just as hurt as girls. Again though, it depends.

But it does not and can not excuse a teacher using his or her position to go after one of their students.

Edit for the edit: If I had a teen girl who was NOT one of my students appoach me? Well, assuming that isn't a sign of the up-coming end of the world as we know it (Because we're talking inconcevable right now), no dice. Happily married to a beautiful woman and have no wish to gamble on her or my children's happiness just for a roll in the hay. :p
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