Your Most hated Historical Figures?

[Vervaria]

Pre, and he never supported doing so forcibly to my knowledge.

I remember having the thought of killing everyone so that we could have a quiet utopia. An idea in an of itself is harmless, it's the intent and carry-through that matters in history. Like, FDR may have been a dick to his wife but that doesn't change some of the good things he did. Historically, we have to balance the good versus the bad things that they did and of course, 'good' and 'bad' are ambiguous of the times we analyze them from.

Indeed. It's hard to find any historical figure who was a saint.

Saint Paul, Saint John, Saint Mathew, Saint Patrick, the list is endless.

*Smacks*

[Thrinia]

The Jesuits!
(I prefer the Dominican order!)

[Vervaria]

Amerigo Vespucci.

Why?

Why do you think?

[Mount Bordeaux]

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, FDR, Woodrow Wilson

Why FDR?

FDR made the government too big, and set a precedent that we need a big government.

That.. and that he allied with that Bastard Stalin, and also treated german and japanese americans like crap.

Yes but Stalin was needed at the time to help fight a common enemy. The reaction to Germans and Japanese is a considerable thing to take into account though.

He treated the Japanese and Germans that way because he did not want to take a chance of one of them being spies for the enemy. Sure, there could've have been different ways to treat them, but during war when the country was just attacked and Nazi Germany was taking over close allies, I don't think someone ruling the country would think about compassion and caring.

[Omega Uliza]

Pre, and he never supported doing so forcibly to my knowledge.

I remember having the thought of killing everyone so that we could have a quiet utopia. An idea in an of itself is harmless, it's the intent and carry-through that matters in history. Like, FDR may have been a dick to his wife but that doesn't change some of the good things he did. Historically, we have to balance the good versus the bad things that they did and of course, 'good' and 'bad' are ambiguous of the times we analyze them from.

Indeed. It's hard to find any historical figure who was a saint.

Catholic saints aside, (as someone already mentioned them), you might just have a point. History never really does paint a good picture of us after we're dead.

[Bluth Corporation]

Emperor Nicholas II(He was a douche,

Not really, just weak-willed and scared shitless.

but Rasputin was awesome!

If by "awesome" you mean "a serial rapist," then I suppose so...

[The Bleeding Roses]

Ronald Regean. He created a national debt, burned billions of dollars on useless military hardware, and enabled Saddam.

^this

I'm not exactly sure if 'this' is really a response of unoriginal origin, or if it's an attack. It kind of lacks the meat or substance in saying what you think.

Oh, did I offend you much ? How about this - I don't really care if he indebted the United States; I hate him for being the typical American Jingoist who's showing off by installing puppet dictatorships or removing such that do not suit him; actually his heavy support on the MAD strategy is a reason solid enough for this guy to be truly hated.

MAD obviously worked...

And what exactly did MAD achieve ?

The destabilization of the USSR...

[Dyakovo]

Ronald Regean. He created a national debt, burned billions of dollars on useless military hardware, and enabled Saddam.

^this

I'm not exactly sure if 'this' is really a response of unoriginal origin, or if it's an attack. It kind of lacks the meat or substance in saying what you think.

Oh, did I offend you much ? How about this - I don't really care if he indebted the United States; I hate him for being the typical American Jingoist who's showing off by installing puppet dictatorships or removing such that do not suit him; actually his heavy support on the MAD strategy is a reason solid enough for this guy to be truly hated.

MAD obviously worked...

And what exactly did MAD achieve ?

Well, it prevented a nuclear war from breaking out between the US and the CCCP...

[Vervaria]

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, FDR, Woodrow Wilson

Why FDR?

FDR made the government too big, and set a precedent that we need a big government.

That.. and that he allied with that Bastard Stalin, and also treated german and japanese americans like crap.

Yes but Stalin was needed at the time to help fight a common enemy. The reaction to Germans and Japanese is a considerable thing to take into account though.

He treated the Japanese and Germans that way because he did not want to take a chance of one of them being spies for the enemy. Sure, there could've have been different ways to treat them, but during war when the country was just attacked and Nazi Germany was taking over close allies, I don't think someone ruling the country would think about compassion and caring.

I find FDR's treatment of American Japanese and German citizens deplorable, but overall I'd still put him in the top 3-5 of US Presidents for helping bring America through the Great Depression and World War II.

[Faith Hope Charity]

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, FDR, Woodrow Wilson

Why FDR?

FDR made the government too big, and set a precedent that we need a big government.

That.. and that he allied with that Bastard Stalin, and also treated german and japanese americans like crap.

Yes but Stalin was needed at the time to help fight a common enemy. The reaction to Germans and Japanese is a considerable thing to take into account though.

Its my opinion that after Germany fell we shouldve moved on to russia and crushed them. I'm not into the lesser of 2 evils crap, and the world wouldve been alot better off without the USSR and giving them a chance to build up.

[TerraPublica]

Ronald Regean. He created a national debt, burned billions of dollars on useless military hardware, and enabled Saddam.

^this

I'm not exactly sure if 'this' is really a response of unoriginal origin, or if it's an attack. It kind of lacks the meat or substance in saying what you think.

Oh, did I offend you much ? How about this - I don't really care if he indebted the United States; I hate him for being the typical American Jingoist who's showing off by installing puppet dictatorships or removing such that do not suit him; actually his heavy support on the MAD strategy is a reason solid enough for this guy to be truly hated.

MAD obviously worked...

And what exactly did MAD achieve ?

The destabilization of the USSR...

You forget that Gorbachev introduced free press, and improved free speech in the Soviet Union, and even more would have been done without Reagan. So, nothing was accomplished...

[Teinohikira]

The KGB

[Thrinia]

The KGB

And the cia and the stasi etc etc etc.

[Vervaria]

Ronald Regean. He created a national debt, burned billions of dollars on useless military hardware, and enabled Saddam.

^this

I'm not exactly sure if 'this' is really a response of unoriginal origin, or if it's an attack. It kind of lacks the meat or substance in saying what you think.

Oh, did I offend you much ? How about this - I don't really care if he indebted the United States; I hate him for being the typical American Jingoist who's showing off by installing puppet dictatorships or removing such that do not suit him; actually his heavy support on the MAD strategy is a reason solid enough for this guy to be truly hated.

MAD obviously worked...

And what exactly did MAD achieve ?

The destabilization of the USSR...

You forget that Gorbachev introduced free press, and improved free speech in the Soviet Union, and even more would have been done without Reagan. So, nothing was accomplished...

It should be noted that the USSR has been falling apart slowly since the 70s as well, Reagan possibly exacerbated it but didn't cause it.

[Omega Uliza]

I find FDR's treatment of American Japanese and German citizens deplorable, but overall I'd still put him in the top 3-5 of US Presidents for helping bring America through the Great Depression and World War II.

I'm not sure what that says about American Presidents though...but then again, you can't please every minority. I think one of the biggest problems of the time was the public's reaction to Germans and Japanese Americans.

[Hypparchia]

Ronald Regean. He created a national debt, burned billions of dollars on useless military hardware, and enabled Saddam.

^this

I'm not exactly sure if 'this' is really a response of unoriginal origin, or if it's an attack. It kind of lacks the meat or substance in saying what you think.

Oh, did I offend you much ? How about this - I don't really care if he indebted the United States; I hate him for being the typical American Jingoist who's showing off by installing puppet dictatorships or removing such that do not suit him; actually his heavy support on the MAD strategy is a reason solid enough for this guy to be truly hated.

MAD obviously worked...

And what exactly did MAD achieve ?

The destabilization of the USSR...

Actually he destabilized the USSR by isolating it economically and persuading the Saudis to increase their oil production. MAD only contributed to the useless stockpiling of nuclear weapons and increased the threat of a nuclear war.

EDIT: As an additional reason to hate him - Reagan's support for the Islamists in Afghanistan, which seriously backfired and is the main reason why America spends billions of dollars to maintain an enormous military force in that country.

[Omega Uliza]

You forget that Gorbachev introduced free press, and improved free speech in the Soviet Union, and even more would have been done without Reagan. So, nothing was accomplished...

It should be noted that the USSR has been falling apart slowly since the 70s as well, Reagan possibly exacerbated it but didn't cause it.

What was the final push? I remember something saying that the United States built these fake airplanes and left them in the field for soviet satellites to pick up and waste their materials on more airplanes as well.

[Chrobalta]

Reagan, Bush 43, Hoover, Thatcher, Pinochet, Nero, Caligula, all the Popes, Hitler, Stalin, Brezhnev, - Ill list some more later.

[Vervaria]

I find FDR's treatment of American Japanese and German citizens deplorable, but overall I'd still put him in the top 3-5 of US Presidents for helping bring America through the Great Depression and World War II.

I'm not sure what that says about American Presidents though...but then again, you can't please every minority. I think one of the biggest problems of the time was the public's reaction to Germans and Japanese Americans.

American Presidents are a mixed bag at best, that's for sure.

[THE GECKO STATE]

I think we can all agree on adolf hitler (I didn't capatilize his name because he's not conisdered human).

[Omega Uliza]

Reagan, Bush 43, Hoover, Thatcher, Pinochet, Nero, Caligula, all the Popes, Hitler, Stalin, Brezhnev, - Ill list some more later.

Yes, but why do you not like these people? That says more than a list.

[Dyakovo]

I think we can all agree on adolf hitler (I didn't capatilize his name because he's not conisdered human).

I don't agree. I do not hate Adolf Hitler.

[TerraPublica]

Emperor Nicholas II(He was a douche,

Not really, just weak-willed and scared shitless.

but Rasputin was awesome!

If by "awesome" you mean "a serial rapist," then I suppose so...

I think you need a song.

[Central Jutland]

Adam and Eva.


I mean Stalin is the one.

[New Somersetshire]

I think we can all agree on adolf hitler (I didn't capatilize his name because he's not conisdered human).

Of course. He was actually a time-traveling robot.