Mosque by Ground Zero?

[Dyakovo]

Christians and Catholics are more violent then Muslims. Remember a thing called the "Crusades" and the "Eastern Roman Empire" and "Russia"

Remember "The middle ages" and "The new world"?

I agree, no religion is perfect. IN MY OPINION that is true.

Yes I almost forgot. And the ''Seven Years War'' and WW2 ( not WW1 because of the Islamic Ottoman Empire)

World War 2 wasn't motivated by religion. Nor was the Seven Years War.

You can't say much more than 'religion didn't stop them fighting'. I think you're doing a guilt-by-association: the countries with the industrial capacity to decide the European theatre of WW2 just happened to be majority Christian. And what about the Pacific theatre?

Yes Germany didnt annex Austria or invade poland for their jews. They did it for the lolz

They annexed devoutly Catholic Austria because Austrians were ethnic Germans and wanted to be annexed. They invaded devoutly Catholic Poland because they wanted the Lebensraum. Even the notion of hoarding up Jews for extermination didn't fly until 1942, and the Nazis' anti-Semitism was grounded not in Christian 'Jesus-killers' sentiments, but as a scapegoat group bizarrely accused of being greedy capitalists with all the money, Communists, and being responsible for Germany's losing WW1 and the failings of the Weimar Republic,

This is a bit off-topic (to say the least) but the jews being accused of being "greedy capitalists with all the money" was not all that bizarre as a disproportionate number of the people in Germany (at the time) who were wealthy were jews...

[Angleter]

Christians and Catholics are more violent then Muslims. Remember a thing called the "Crusades" and the "Eastern Roman Empire" and "Russia"

Remember "The middle ages" and "The new world"?

I agree, no religion is perfect. IN MY OPINION that is true.

Yes I almost forgot. And the ''Seven Years War'' and WW2 ( not WW1 because of the Islamic Ottoman Empire)

World War 2 wasn't motivated by religion. Nor was the Seven Years War.

You can't say much more than 'religion didn't stop them fighting'. I think you're doing a guilt-by-association: the countries with the industrial capacity to decide the European theatre of WW2 just happened to be majority Christian. And what about the Pacific theatre?

Yes Germany didnt annex Austria or invade poland for their jews. They did it for the lolz

They annexed devoutly Catholic Austria because Austrians were ethnic Germans and wanted to be annexed. They invaded devoutly Catholic Poland because they wanted the Lebensraum. Even the notion of hoarding up Jews for extermination didn't fly until 1942, and the Nazis' anti-Semitism was grounded not in Christian 'Jesus-killers' sentiments, but as a scapegoat group bizarrely accused of being greedy capitalists with all the money, Communists, and being responsible for Germany's losing WW1 and the failings of the Weimar Republic,

This is a bit off-topic (to say the least) but the jews being accused of being "greedy capitalists with all the money" was not all that bizarre as a disproportionate number of the people in Germany (at the time) who were wealthy were jews...

The bizarre bit is that point and the point after it combined.

[Vetalia]

This is a bit off-topic (to say the least) but the jews being accused of being "greedy capitalists with all the money" was not all that bizarre as a disproportionate number of the people in Germany (at the time) who were wealthy were jews...

The irony being it was anti-Semitism in the first place that led to the Jews working in professions that they were permitted to perform, especially banking and money-lending...not surprisingly, well-educated people skilled in finance, medicine, and the sciences would tend to be the country's wealthiest group.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

It wasn't antisemitism. It was idiotic religious rules. Primarily those against charging your fellow Christians usury.

[Chailingdon]

Let them build it, it was the bush administration will pulled off 9/11... so it doesn't matter anyways.

(just to get back on topic)

[Shia Majority]

Shia, White, American Muslim here.


Though it may have good intentions, this is a bad idea. There are other Mosques in New York City.

[Liyelan]

I don't even see why there's a problem with it.
I mean, the people who bombed the WTC weren't representatives of the main part of the Islamic community either in NYC or elsewhere,
so why should they be victimized for the actions of others?
Germans aren't nazis, so why should Muslims be terrorists?

[The Black Plains]

I say fine, just open a Pig Butchery on one side of the mosque, a synagogue on the other, and a Marriage Counseling Center across from it. That'll drive the bastards away. But in all seriousness, let them build it. And to give even more of an "f you!" to the 9/11 victims we should build a bomb factory next to ground zero.

[Expansionist Australia]

No no and No

[The Black Plains]

I don't even see why there's a problem with it.
I mean, the people who bombed the WTC weren't representatives of the main part of the Islamic community either in NYC or elsewhere,
so why should they be victimized for the actions of others?
Germans aren't nazis, so why should Muslims be terrorists?

I agree with you in spirit, but your analogy is flawed. The Germans do not preach conquest and destruction to its citizens. Islam does to its followers.

[Ridann]

Allow the Mosque to be built, then fly a plane into it.

[Ifreann]

If the American people are so far against the building of an Islamic place of worship, then the government should follow their wishes and build the Masque elsewhere.

A. The government isn't building the mosque
B. Who ever is building the mosque has the right to do so if they follow building codes, etc. whether or not the people want them to.

Oops, read the wrong thing, olololol

The people against the building of the Islamic place of worship near Ground Zero, which I myself oppose because its a huge slap in the face to people who died in 9/11,

Only if you blame all Muslims for the actions of a few.

could just get a petition and sign it.

And their petition wouldn't be worth shit.

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What an insult to the men and women fighting for this country and to the families who lost their loved ones in the 9/11 attacks. Who the hell would support somthing like this? Their just taking advantage of peoples stupidity. Somtimes i wonder what the hell our soldiers are fighting for....a bunch of liberal idiots who just love to drag this country down even more....

I was under the impression that your soldiers were fighting to defend freedom, though perhaps you'd like to enlighten me.

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Wait wait wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa:

Were putting a mosque next to a destroyed building just so the mosque can be blown up by terrorist? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! Eight foot wookies living with two feet ewoks! Ladies and gentlemen of the ''supposive'' jury THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE

Next to? It's two city blocks away.

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Shia, White, American Muslim here.


Though it may have good intentions, this is a bad idea. There are other Mosques in New York City.

New York is a very big city. That there are some Mosques doesn't mean there's no use for one more.

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No no and No

Why, why and why?

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I don't even see why there's a problem with it.
I mean, the people who bombed the WTC weren't representatives of the main part of the Islamic community either in NYC or elsewhere,
so why should they be victimized for the actions of others?
Germans aren't nazis, so why should Muslims be terrorists?

I agree with you in spirit, but your analogy is flawed. The Germans do not preach conquest and destruction to its citizens.

Some do, I assure you.

Islam does to its followers.

Not all Muslims believe the same thing. Some are violent. Some are not.

[Horsefish]

Dude above FTW.

They owned it before 9/11 and have only just got the funds.
It's not NEXT to ground zero just near by.
No one would make this much fuss for any other building so why a mosque?


Can't deny someone building on their own land for no reason.....

[Juristonia]

Dude above FTW.

They owned it before 9/11 and have only just got the funds.
It's not NEXT to ground zero just near by.
No one would make this much fuss for any other building so why a mosque?


Can't deny someone building on their own land for no reason.....

BECUZ TEH MUSLEMS R EVUL

Old fashioned "us vs them" mentalities die hard, unfortunately.

[Gauthier]

I say fine, just open a Pig Butchery on one side of the mosque, a synagogue on the other, and a Marriage Counseling Center across from it. That'll drive the bastards away.

Yay for Freedom of Worship.

But in all seriousness, let them build it. And to give even more of an "f you!" to the 9/11 victims we should build a bomb factory next to ground zero.

Yes, because a Mosque is really an Al'Qaeda franchise store.
You might not be aware of historical events but Yes Virginia, Muslims who weren't terrorists were killed too on 9/11.

[Gauthier]

Allow the Mosque to be built, then fly a plane into it.

Because New York, much less the United States would be perfectly fine with another hijacked plane crashing into a building there and inflicting more casualties.

[Gauthier]

I don't even see why there's a problem with it.
I mean, the people who bombed the WTC weren't representatives of the main part of the Islamic community either in NYC or elsewhere,
so why should they be victimized for the actions of others?
Germans aren't nazis, so why should Muslims be terrorists?

I agree with you in spirit, but your analogy is flawed. The Germans do not preach conquest and destruction to its citizens. Islam does to its followers.

Yep, all those Muslims who have been living in the United States for a long time are Al'Qaeda sleeper operatives waiting for that telepathic signal from Osama Bin Brain Bug to start something out of Invasion USA.

[Dyakovo]

I don't even see why there's a problem with it.
I mean, the people who bombed the WTC weren't representatives of the main part of the Islamic community either in NYC or elsewhere,
so why should they be victimized for the actions of others?
Germans aren't nazis, so why should Muslims be terrorists?

I agree with you in spirit, but your analogy is flawed. The Germans do not preach conquest and destruction to its citizens. Islam does to its followers.

No more so than christianity does...

[SuperJett]

Quite frankly, while it is true that not all Muslims are evil, this is basically a giant slap in the face to the families of all the victims. Sure, maybe it was only a fringe group, but would the victims' families see it that way? After all, the mosque is being put up to supposedly strengthen ties between the United States and Muslims and make peace, but no group deserves peace more than the people who were directly affected by the tragedy. If those people see the building of a mosque near Ground Zero as an insult (as do I), then the mosque should not be built. Those victims should have more of a say in this issue than anything else; it seems as if politically correct groups are trying to force a mutual friendship down the throats of the victims here.

Have people forgotten why Ground Zero is there? As long as there are Muslims, there will be Muslim terrorists. Muslim terrorists HATE US. They will do this again and again and again until the entire country is one large Ground Zero, or until we kill them. They see this as a victory for them - it would be like placing a large swastika over the gates of Auschwitz or Dachau and telling the Jews that we are trying to rebuild ties between Jews and Nazis.

[SuperJett]

I don't even see why there's a problem with it.
I mean, the people who bombed the WTC weren't representatives of the main part of the Islamic community either in NYC or elsewhere,
so why should they be victimized for the actions of others?
Germans aren't nazis, so why should Muslims be terrorists?

I agree with you in spirit, but your analogy is flawed. The Germans do not preach conquest and destruction to its citizens. Islam does to its followers.

No more so than christianity does...

Christianity does not preach destruction in any way. Christianity preaches peace, love, repentance, and all the rest. I wish you people would actually do some research before slamming Christians. Sure, we had the Crusades, but that was A THOUSAND YEARS AGO!!!! We don't do that anymore, because the Christian community realized that everything we did went against what we were being taught by God. Muslims, on the other hand, are frequently taught that Western Civilization, Jews, Christians, Americans, etc. are evil and that we should be killed in the name of Allah. Muslims are far more at fault here than Christians.

[Trippoli]

You need a option for "don't care" I haven't voted yet.

[Angleter]

Gravedig, SuperJett. MODS!