How can you believe in evolution?

[Karsol]

If that was just ever so slightly convoluted and rambly I do apologize, it's early in the morning here. Also, Sparttica, I'm on a similar page with you, but you really do need to see about doing a bit more research, brother. Don't completely rule out evolution. The evidence is there, but it's still a theory.

Theory means a collection of facts.
It is the scientific definition of theory, the popular definition is actually the definition of a hypothisis

[DaWoad]

If that was just ever so slightly convoluted and rambly I do apologize, it's early in the morning here. Also, Sparttica, I'm on a similar page with you, but you really do need to see about doing a bit more research, brother. Don't completely rule out evolution. The evidence is there, but it's still a theory.

Yah wrong definition of theory but nice try.

[Dyakovo]

And to explain the big big bang, it is impossible that that one atom could have come from nowhere, which is why I am a Christian and beleive that God created that atom out of literally nothing, because nothing is impossible with God. once an atom explodes in empty space, it never stops expanding because there is no friction or gravity to slow it down, this explains an ever expanding universe. ask me any questions you want.

So it's impossible for one atom to have come from nowhere, but this incredibly complex being you call god just popped into existence without warning?

I'm finding THAT a lot harder to belief.

Well, thats the thing, God always has been and forever will be, and is. He is the Great I am, there never has beeen or will be a time in the history of anything that God will not or has not existed. Get it?

But how do you pick which of the 37 million deities that claim to qualify for this description is the real one ?

Well thats just it, Allah is a God, Ja is a God, Buddha is a God, Brahman is a God, they are all, indeed, one and the same. They are no different, it just changes how the pople of the different cultures of the world interperetd them and their laws. Even the polytheistic religions worship the creations of God, which in themselves are God, because God is omnipresent.

No he isn't.

[Don-Valentino]

And to explain the big big bang, it is impossible that that one atom could have come from nowhere, which is why I am a Christian and beleive that God created that atom out of literally nothing, because nothing is impossible with God. once an atom explodes in empty space, it never stops expanding because there is no friction or gravity to slow it down, this explains an ever expanding universe. ask me any questions you want.

So it's impossible for one atom to have come from nowhere, but this incredibly complex being you call god just popped into existence without warning?

I'm finding THAT a lot harder to belief.

Well, thats the thing, God always has been and forever will be, and is. He is the Great I am, there never has beeen or will be a time in the history of anything that God will not or has not existed. Get it?

But how do you pick which of the 37 million deities that claim to qualify for this description is the real one ?

Well thats just it, Allah is a God, Ja is a God, Buddha is a God, Brahman is a God, they are all, indeed, one and the same. They are no different, it just changes how the pople of the different cultures of the world interperetd them and their laws. Even the polytheistic religions worship the creations of God, which in themselves are God, because God is omnipresent.

No he isn't.

Ahhh Yes he is actually

[Horsefish]

No he really isn't.

[Rambhutan]

Ahhh Yes he is actually

Nope

[Karsol]

And to explain the big big bang, it is impossible that that one atom could have come from nowhere, which is why I am a Christian and beleive that God created that atom out of literally nothing, because nothing is impossible with God. once an atom explodes in empty space, it never stops expanding because there is no friction or gravity to slow it down, this explains an ever expanding universe. ask me any questions you want.

So it's impossible for one atom to have come from nowhere, but this incredibly complex being you call god just popped into existence without warning?

I'm finding THAT a lot harder to belief.

Well, thats the thing, God always has been and forever will be, and is. He is the Great I am, there never has beeen or will be a time in the history of anything that God will not or has not existed. Get it?

But how do you pick which of the 37 million deities that claim to qualify for this description is the real one ?

Well thats just it, Allah is a God, Ja is a God, Buddha is a God, Brahman is a God, they are all, indeed, one and the same. They are no different, it just changes how the pople of the different cultures of the world interperetd them and their laws. Even the polytheistic religions worship the creations of God, which in themselves are God, because God is omnipresent.

No he isn't.

Ahhh Yes he is actually

If he was, no one would doubt his existence.

[Ifreann]

Ahhh Yes he is actually

How do you know?

[Jaunty tunes]

Pop for a God that never ages and has unlimited power but now decides to let many of us suffer

Or

Pop for a countless number of atoms that were not created by an even greater being and that reacted with each other to eventually produce life for no apparent reason

God gives a reason to existance but it is even less likely to exist because you need to create an even more powerful force that created everthing in a flawed way and cares enough at times to create a son to be killed for us but dosnt care enough to stop things like tidal waves or fires from killing his followers in the most horrible ways.

If god exists he has some mental problems that would be undertandable after trillions of years of lonliness. It would be like a human helping ants for an endless period of time. Eventually (probably less than an hour for me) you would decide to put your finger down and smite a couple just for some temporary amusement.

[Derscon]

Ahhh Yes he is actually

Nope

Depends on the sect, actually. You're both right.

[Cabra West]

Pop for a God that never ages and has unlimited power but now decides to let many of us suffer

Or

Pop for a countless number of atoms that were not created by an even greater being and that reacted with each other to eventually produce life for no apparent reason

God gives a reason to existance but it is even less likely to exist because you need to create an even more powerful force that created everthing in a flawed way and cares enough at times to create a son to be killed for us but dosnt care enough to stop things like tidal waves or fires from killing his followers in the most horrible ways.

If god exists he has some mental problems that would be undertandable after trillions of years of lonliness. It would be like a human helping ants for an endless period of time. Eventually (probably less than an hour for me) you would decide to put your finger down and smite a couple just for some temporary amusement.

"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I'm sure you will agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen: mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that's when I first learned about evil. It is built in to the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior"

Terry Pratchett

[Derscon]

If that was just ever so slightly convoluted and rambly I do apologize, it's early in the morning here. Also, Sparttica, I'm on a similar page with you, but you really do need to see about doing a bit more research, brother. Don't completely rule out evolution. The evidence is there, but it's still a theory.

Theory means a collection of facts.
It is the scientific definition of theory, the popular definition is actually the definition of a hypothisis

A scientific theory is a bit more than simply a collection of empirical data, but yes, Novis is wrong in his dismissal of evolution as "a theory." Of course, the misuse of the words "fact" and "theory" pertaining to evolution is the fault of not only a misconception of the concepts of "fact" and "theory," but the fact the term "evolution" is actually used to describe three different things: 1. common descent, 2. generational changes, and 3. the mechanisms behind said changes. Technically, 3 is a theory, 2 is a fact, and I forget 1 <_<

[DaWoad]

Pop for a God that never ages and has unlimited power but now decides to let many of us suffer

Or

Pop for a countless number of atoms that were not created by an even greater being and that reacted with each other to eventually produce life for no apparent reason

God gives a reason to existance but it is even less likely to exist because you need to create an even more powerful force that created everthing in a flawed way and cares enough at times to create a son to be killed for us but dosnt care enough to stop things like tidal waves or fires from killing his followers in the most horrible ways.

If god exists he has some mental problems that would be undertandable after trillions of years of lonliness. It would be like a human helping ants for an endless period of time. Eventually (probably less than an hour for me) you would decide to put your finger down and smite a couple just for some temporary amusement.

False Dichotomy. You can choose a whole bunch of options in between those two.

[Shazbotdom]

Ahhh Yes he is actually

Nope

Depends on the sect, actually. You're both right.

It also depends on which Buddha you are talking about. Those who follow the teachings of Gautama Buddha believe he is a philisophical master, while those who follow Adi-Buddha feel that he is a God.

[Novistranaya]

If that was just ever so slightly convoluted and rambly I do apologize, it's early in the morning here. Also, Sparttica, I'm on a similar page with you, but you really do need to see about doing a bit more research, brother. Don't completely rule out evolution. The evidence is there, but it's still a theory.

Theory means a collection of facts.
It is the scientific definition of theory, the popular definition is actually the definition of a hypothisis

A scientific theory is a bit more than simply a collection of empirical data, but yes, Novis is wrong in his dismissal of evolution as "a theory." Of course, the misuse of the words "fact" and "theory" pertaining to evolution is the fault of not only a misconception of the concepts of "fact" and "theory," but the fact the term "evolution" is actually used to describe three different things: 1. common descent, 2. generational changes, and 3. the mechanisms behind said changes. Technically, 3 is a theory, 2 is a fact, and I forget 1 <_<

Note also my comment regarding being early in the morning where I am, I was just about to go to bed. And I suspect "1" is referring to ex. modern marsupials (spelling?) descending from one common source, or something along that line, maybe I'm mixing that up with generational. Always willing to be corrected, preferably without the use of some goofy emoticon.

[Novistranaya]

And to explain the big big bang, it is impossible that that one atom could have come from nowhere, which is why I am a Christian and beleive that God created that atom out of literally nothing, because nothing is impossible with God. once an atom explodes in empty space, it never stops expanding because there is no friction or gravity to slow it down, this explains an ever expanding universe. ask me any questions you want.

So it's impossible for one atom to have come from nowhere, but this incredibly complex being you call god just popped into existence without warning?

I'm finding THAT a lot harder to belief.

Well, thats the thing, God always has been and forever will be, and is. He is the Great I am, there never has beeen or will be a time in the history of anything that God will not or has not existed. Get it?

But how do you pick which of the 37 million deities that claim to qualify for this description is the real one ?

Well thats just it, Allah is a God, Ja is a God, Buddha is a God, Brahman is a God, they are all, indeed, one and the same. They are no different, it just changes how the pople of the different cultures of the world interperetd them and their laws. Even the polytheistic religions worship the creations of God, which in themselves are God, because God is omnipresent.

No he isn't.

Ahhh Yes he is actually

If he was, no one would doubt his existence.

I could probably point you in the direction of some people who doubt the existance of gravity.

[Karsol]

And to explain the big big bang, it is impossible that that one atom could have come from nowhere, which is why I am a Christian and beleive that God created that atom out of literally nothing, because nothing is impossible with God. once an atom explodes in empty space, it never stops expanding because there is no friction or gravity to slow it down, this explains an ever expanding universe. ask me any questions you want.

So it's impossible for one atom to have come from nowhere, but this incredibly complex being you call god just popped into existence without warning?

I'm finding THAT a lot harder to belief.

Well, thats the thing, God always has been and forever will be, and is. He is the Great I am, there never has beeen or will be a time in the history of anything that God will not or has not existed. Get it?

But how do you pick which of the 37 million deities that claim to qualify for this description is the real one ?

Well thats just it, Allah is a God, Ja is a God, Buddha is a God, Brahman is a God, they are all, indeed, one and the same. They are no different, it just changes how the pople of the different cultures of the world interperetd them and their laws. Even the polytheistic religions worship the creations of God, which in themselves are God, because God is omnipresent.

No he isn't.

Ahhh Yes he is actually

If he was, no one would doubt his existence.

I could probably point you in the direction of some people who doubt the existance of gravity.

Won't be short of Darwin awards then.

[Ifreann]

God gives a reason to existance...

I'm amazed that anyone can every be satisfied with "Goddidit" as an explanation for anything.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Just like God was created?

God is the beginning and end, alpha and omega, always has been and always will be. the human mind cannot fully comprehend eternity-which is how long God has existed. God has always been, there was no beginning and there will never be an end. try to wrap your mind around that.

... and you are refusing to consider the idea that the matter/energy in the big bang always was and always will be? That's blatant hypocrisy.

Give me observable evidence that the Christian god created the known universe or gtfo.

Oh! here's an idea! I'm gonna write a book about how I invented everything, and that one day I will bestow immortality on everyone who believes in me, and in 2000 years people can cite it as fact.

By all means, believe in your supernatural matter and energy while I believe in my supernatural God.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Just like God was created?

God is the beginning and end, alpha and omega, always has been and always will be. the human mind cannot fully comprehend eternity-which is how long God has existed. God has always been, there was no beginning and there will never be an end. try to wrap your mind around that.

... and you are refusing to consider the idea that the matter/energy in the big bang always was and always will be? That's blatant hypocrisy.

Give me observable evidence that the Christian god created the known universe or gtfo.

Oh! here's an idea! I'm gonna write a book about how I invented everything, and that one day I will bestow immortality on everyone who believes in me, and in 2000 years people can cite it as fact.

By all means, believe in your supernatural matter and energy while I believe in my supernatural God.

There's nothing supernatural about matter or energy in any of its forms, but good try.

[Ifreann]

Just like God was created?

God is the beginning and end, alpha and omega, always has been and always will be. the human mind cannot fully comprehend eternity-which is how long God has existed. God has always been, there was no beginning and there will never be an end. try to wrap your mind around that.

... and you are refusing to consider the idea that the matter/energy in the big bang always was and always will be? That's blatant hypocrisy.

Give me observable evidence that the Christian god created the known universe or gtfo.

Oh! here's an idea! I'm gonna write a book about how I invented everything, and that one day I will bestow immortality on everyone who believes in me, and in 2000 years people can cite it as fact.

By all means, believe in your supernatural matter and energy while I believe in my supernatural God.

There's nothing supernatural about matter or energy in any of its forms, but good try.

Belief isn't involved to any great degree either.

[Big Jim P]

And to explain the big big bang, it is impossible that that one atom could have come from nowhere, which is why I am a Christian and beleive that God created that atom out of literally nothing, because nothing is impossible with God. once an atom explodes in empty space, it never stops expanding because there is no friction or gravity to slow it down, this explains an ever expanding universe. ask me any questions you want.

So it's impossible for one atom to have come from nowhere, but this incredibly complex being you call god just popped into existence without warning?

I'm finding THAT a lot harder to belief.

Well, thats the thing, God always has been and forever will be, and is. He is the Great I am, there never has beeen or will be a time in the history of anything that God will not or has not existed. Get it?

But how do you pick which of the 37 million deities that claim to qualify for this description is the real one ?

Well thats just it, Allah is a God, Ja is a God, Buddha is a God, Brahman is a God, they are all, indeed, one and the same. They are no different, it just changes how the pople of the different cultures of the world interperetd them and their laws. Even the polytheistic religions worship the creations of God, which in themselves are God, because God is omnipresent.

No he isn't.

Ahhh Yes he is actually

If he was, no one would doubt his existence.

I could probably point you in the direction of some people who doubt the existance of gravity.

I bet they still fall down and can't lift a car though.

[Effimination]

The Bible solves another scientific mystery!

How could you possibly say that? The Bible and Torah, etc. were all written with some history in mind. But there are some rather obvious embellishments as well! It has been proven by Darwin, etc. that evolution is real and it really did happen. Just look at Lucy, look at Ardi...

It was not proven by Darwin, if it was ever proven. Because I'm very sure he didn't produce all those fossils.

Are you saying that evolution is a hoax? That we really come from a man's rib? All our descendants? I believe in God, sure, but you won't see me believing such obvious lies as that one.

[Fair Moral Serenity]

Guys, religion and belief in evolution can coexist. If your religion says you can't believe in evolution, then it goes against something which is backed up by a lot of fact and therefore your religion is counter intuitive and therefore why do you believe in it? It's religions like those, counterintuitive ones (yes, I can see the inevitable replies-all religions are counterintuitive! but no, you're wrong) that cause all the trouble and give us a bad name. OK?

[Treznor]

Guys, religion and belief in evolution can coexist. If your religion says you can't believe in evolution, then it goes against something which is backed up by a lot of fact and therefore your religion is counter intuitive and therefore why do you believe in it? It's religions like those, counterintuitive ones (yes, I can see the inevitable replies-all religions are counterintuitive! but no, you're wrong) that cause all the trouble and give us a bad name. OK?

In fairness, there's not a whole lot of willingness to meet anyone halfway. The indomitable PZ Myers explains why:

...we're not objecting to the conclusions of religion (necessarily), we're saying that how they answer questions is invalid...

You can't sum it up any better than that.