Collvach: A New Economic Model

[Alvecia]

People like to say computers are smart, but computers only do exactly what a human has told them to do. Hence, a computer cannot be smarter than a human, only more efficient.

I mean of course it depends on your definition of smart... the Google search algorithms or the algorithms Hark mentions very few people can understand, including those who made them, and can do things no human can do, but on the other hand can't tell the difference between a potato and a tomato. (And yes I am aware that your sig notes you are an IT person.)

Well yes, a well programmed algorithm will be "smarter" than the average person, but that's likely because the person who programmed it is much smarter than the average person. Everything a computer program can do, a human can do provided they were given the resources to do so, however computers have a natural advantage in that they can process information much, much quicker and can access resources that humans cannot. They are more efficient, granted. But as I said, they can't be smarter than the person who creates them.

[Southerly Gentleman]

I mean of course it depends on your definition of smart... the Google search algorithms or the algorithms Hark mentions very few people can understand, including those who made them, and can do things no human can do, but on the other hand can't tell the difference between a potato and a tomato. (And yes I am aware that your sig notes you are an IT person.)

Well yes, a well programmed algorithm will be "smarter" than the average person, but that's likely because the person who programmed it is much smarter than the average person. Everything a computer program can do, a human can do provided they were given the resources to do so, however computers have a natural advantage in that they can process information much, much quicker and can access resources that humans cannot. They are more efficient, granted. But as I said, they can't be smarter than the person who creates them.

Until we have artificial intelligence that can carry out this program. Unfortunately, that runs into a whole host of new problems...

[Alvecia]

Machines and algorithms are gradually taking all the jobs in:
- Finance
- Manufacturing
- Newspapers/Media

Next stage is for them to take the jobs in:
- Movie/TV script writing
- Book/Novel writing
- Music lyric writing
- Art?

In the next 50 years, I am not sure what will happen. Could end up like Metropolis, where the rich people have everything and don't have to do anything but give in to leisure, and really the only jobs for the rest are keeping the machines running. So no social or economic mobility between classes i.e. the catalyst for many past revolutions and revolts.

Edit: And if the machines ever become sentient, and demand their rights...definitely going to be a shake up.

Computers creating art is an interesting one.
IIRC there was recently a computer and/or program that was created that had been given information on all of Van Goghs work as well as his methods and artistic quirks. It was then able to use all of this information to create a piece of art that was unique, but had Van Gogh's distinct artistic style.
A important point to note however is that without Van Gogh's artistic talent existing in the first place, this computer would not either.

[Prosocial]

Just declare loyalty to Lenin and call it a day, at this point.

[Alvecia]

Well yes, a well programmed algorithm will be "smarter" than the average person, but that's likely because the person who programmed it is much smarter than the average person. Everything a computer program can do, a human can do provided they were given the resources to do so, however computers have a natural advantage in that they can process information much, much quicker and can access resources that humans cannot. They are more efficient, granted. But as I said, they can't be smarter than the person who creates them.

Until we have artificial intelligence that can carry out this program. Unfortunately, that runs into a whole host of new problems...

Personally I think True AI is somewhat hyped up as far as our ability to create one. I think it's far further into the future than often predicted, but then technological trends have surprised before.

[Maljaratas]

Until we have artificial intelligence that can carry out this program. Unfortunately, that runs into a whole host of new problems...

Personally I think True AI is somewhat hyped up as far as our ability to create one. I think it's far further into the future than often predicted, but then technological trends have surprised before.

Stage 1 of debugging I believe?

[Alvecia]

Personally I think True AI is somewhat hyped up as far as our ability to create one. I think it's far further into the future than often predicted, but then technological trends have surprised before.

Stage 1 of debugging I believe?

Exactly

[Harkback Union]

Machines and algorithms are gradually taking all the jobs in:
- Finance
- Manufacturing
- Newspapers/Media

Next stage is for them to take the jobs in:
- Movie/TV script writing
- Book/Novel writing
- Music lyric writing
- Art?

In the next 50 years, I am not sure what will happen. Could end up like Metropolis, where the rich people have everything and don't have to do anything but give in to leisure, and really the only jobs for the rest are keeping the machines running. So no social or economic mobility between classes i.e. the catalyst for many past revolutions and revolts.

Edit: And if the machines ever become sentient, and demand their rights...definitely going to be a shake up.

Jesus! We only have 11 years left till metropolist! Get your torches cause we'll be burning some robot witches in no time!

[Valaran]

Not really my cup of tea.

[FutureAmerica]

Capitalism will never be obsolete. New forms of it will come up. Look at China as an example. They couldn't live without it. China is also going to make sure capitalism thrives and lives on.